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#Post#: 11530--------------------------------------------------
Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: April 3, 2020, 6:07 am
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The first thing to do is to distinguish the Great Tribulation
from the Wrath of God. Paul teaches that we are clean escaped
from the wrath of God, nobody gets left behind in the Rapture,
that is a bunch of nonsense, we have been bought with the
precious blood of Jesus.
[/size]
[/size]But says Paul "through great tribulation must we be
saved" he says this in relation to the persecution he and his
fellow apostles were undergoing along with the Thessalonians.
[/size]
[/size]Tribulation is persecution and comes from man, the Great
Tribulation is the great end-time persecution which Jesus warned
about saying "you will be hated by all men for My name's sake."
[/size]
[/size]The persecutor will be Antichrist, the beast.
[/size]
[/size]Why am I sure that the church will go through the Great
Tribulation?
[/size]
[/size]It's very simple, since the source of the tribulation is
Antichrist, all must take his number or perish, but His career
is ended when Jesus returns. As soon as he seats himself in the
temple declaring that he himself is God the Lord Himself will
descend from heaven with a shout and slay him with the breath of
His mouth.
[/size]
[/size]But Antichrist will have had his career, opposing every
thing called god. His mission will have been to stamp out all
religion.
[/size]
[/size]The church is taken out at that time [what is left of it]
Paul says "we who are left and remain" I dunno that just seems
to indicate to me not very many. Jesus asks "but when the Son of
man returns will He find faith on earth?"
[/size]
[/size]Then comes the wrath of God upon the unbelieving world.
[/size]
[/size]I believe many will be saved, we read of Enoch that he
walked with God and was not for God took him. This is the first
rapture recorded in the bible and thereafter "men began to call
upon the Lord."
[/size]
[/size]The wicked who remain will flee to the end of the earth.
The Millennium reign will be rolled out from Jerusalem, although
His appearance is sudden and a worldwide event.
[/size]
#Post#: 11531--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 3, 2020, 7:05 am
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> The first thing to do is to distinguish the Great Tribulation
from the Wrath of God. Paul teaches that we are clean escaped
from the wrath of God, nobody gets left behind in the Rapture,
that is a bunch of nonsense, we have been bought with the
precious blood of Jesus.
> [/size]
> [/size]But says Paul "through great tribulation must we be
saved" he says this in relation to the persecution he and his
fellow apostles were undergoing along with the Thessalonians.
> [/size]
> [/size]Tribulation is persecution and comes from man, the
Great Tribulation is the great end-time persecution which Jesus
warned about saying "you will be hated by all men for My name's
sake."
> [/size]
> [/size]The persecutor will be Antichrist, the beast.
> [/size]
> [/size]Why am I sure that the church will go through the Great
Tribulation?
> [/size]
> [/size]It's very simple, since the source of the tribulation
is Antichrist, all must take his number or perish, but His
career is ended when Jesus returns. As soon as he seats himself
in the temple declaring that he himself is God the Lord Himself
will descend from heaven with a shout and slay him with the
breath of His mouth.
> [/size]
> [/size]But Antichrist will have had his career, opposing every
thing called god. His mission will have been to stamp out all
religion.
> [/size]
> [/size]The church is taken out at that time [what is left of
it] Paul says "we who are left and remain" I dunno that just
seems to indicate to me not very many. Jesus asks "but when the
Son of man returns will He find faith on earth?"
> [/size]
> [/size]Then comes the wrath of God upon the unbelieving world.
> [/size]
> [/size]I believe many will be saved, we read of Enoch that he
walked with God and was not for God took him. This is the first
rapture recorded in the bible and thereafter "men began to call
upon the Lord."
> [/size]
> [/size]The wicked who remain will flee to the end of the
earth. The Millennium reign will be rolled out from Jerusalem,
although His appearance is sudden and a worldwide event.
> [/size]
>
--- End Quote ---
Nice article Billy, but not Biblical
Blade
#Post#: 11533--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: April 3, 2020, 9:08 am
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It's hardly biblical to think that people will have to accept
the number of the beast in the Mill ... the beast is slain at
the coming of the Lord and the devil locked up during the Mill.
#Post#: 11544--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 3, 2020, 3:15 pm
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> It's hardly biblical to think that people will have to accept
the number of the beast in the Mill ... the beast is slain at
the coming of the Lord and the devil locked up during the Mill.
>
--- End Quote ---
The Church (body of Christ) will not go through GOD's Wrath
which begins with the opening of the seals. some say the 6th
seal is where GOD's wrath starts but it is Jesus Christ who
sends the four horses to earth and those under the altar (Rev 5)
are those Martyred (they were the ones left behind).
Blade
#Post#: 11546--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: April 3, 2020, 7:14 pm
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg11533#msg11533
date=1585922901]
> It's hardly biblical to think that people will have to accept
the number of the beast in the Mill ... the beast is slain at
the coming of the Lord and the devil locked up during the Mill.
>
--- End Quote ---
The Church (body of Christ) will not go through GOD's Wrath
which begins with the opening of the seals. some say the 6th
seal is where GOD's wrath starts but it is Jesus Christ who
sends the four horses to earth and those under the altar (Rev 5)
are those Martyred (they were the ones left behind).
Blade
[/quote]Yet are not the Four Horsemen always active in the earth
at different places and times?
#Post#: 11550--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 3, 2020, 8:00 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg11544#msg11544
date=1585944940]
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg11533#msg11533
date=1585922901]
> It's hardly biblical to think that people will have to accept
the number of the beast in the Mill ... the beast is slain at
the coming of the Lord and the devil locked up during the Mill.
>
--- End Quote ---
The Church (body of Christ) will not go through GOD's Wrath
which begins with the opening of the seals. some say the 6th
seal is where GOD's wrath starts but it is Jesus Christ who
sends the four horses to earth and those under the altar (Rev 5)
are those Martyred (they were the ones left behind).
Blade
[/quote]Yet are not the Four Horsemen always active in the earth
at different places and times?
[/quote]
Not according to the Word of GOD!
Yes, there are Wars and Rumors of WAR....in Mat 24, Luke 21 but
the Horsemen are very specific at a very specific period of time
and they are part of GOD's Wrath.
Blade
#Post#: 11560--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: April 4, 2020, 4:27 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg11533#msg11533
date=1585922901]
> It's hardly biblical to think that people will have to accept
the number of the beast in the Mill ... the beast is slain at
the coming of the Lord and the devil locked up during the Mill.
>
--- End Quote ---
The Church (body of Christ) will not go through GOD's Wrath
which begins with the opening of the seals. some say the 6th
seal is where GOD's wrath starts but it is Jesus Christ who
sends the four horses to earth and those under the altar (Rev 5)
are those Martyred (they were the ones left behind).
Blade
[/quote]
We will not go through God's wrath, we will go through the great
tribulation ... Tribulation comes from the word trouble, it is
not from God it is from man.
When Jesus first came the bible says Herod was troubled and all
Jerusalem with him. It is called the time of "Jacob's trouble"
Now Jacob's trouble was when he fled from Laban and was
returning to his own land to face [he thought] the wrath of
Esau.
You would be so much better drawing your prophecy from open
scriptures than trying to figger out Revelations, or reading the
likes of crooks like Schofield and Lindsey. Not that Revelations
is wrong but no two people agree on what it says.
Jeremiah says of the time of Jacob's trouble in plain language
easily understood Israel will be SAFE and none shall make him
afraid. Jeremiah 30. Like Jacob himself it will be a time of
fear and trembling but just as Jacob was safe, guarded by
angels, so will Israel be.
#Post#: 11573--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 4, 2020, 4:25 pm
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=879.msg11544#msg11544
date=1585944940]
> [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=879.msg11533#msg11533
date=1585922901]
> It's hardly biblical to think that people will have to accept
the number of the beast in the Mill ... the beast is slain at
the coming of the Lord and the devil locked up during the Mill.
>
--- End Quote ---
WOW!,, you really got it bad....SO SAD!
Blade
The Church (body of Christ) will not go through GOD's Wrath
which begins with the opening of the seals. some say the 6th
seal is where GOD's wrath starts but it is Jesus Christ who
sends the four horses to earth and those under the altar (Rev 5)
are those Martyred (they were the ones left behind).
Blade
[/quote]
We will not go through God's wrath, we will go through the great
tribulation ... Tribulation comes from the word trouble, it is
not from God it is from man.
When Jesus first came the bible says Herod was troubled and all
Jerusalem with him. It is called the time of "Jacob's trouble"
Now Jacob's trouble was when he fled from Laban and was
returning to his own land to face [he thought] the wrath of
Esau.
You would be so much better drawing your prophecy from open
scriptures than trying to figger out Revelations, or reading the
likes of crooks like Schofield and Lindsey. Not that Revelations
is wrong but no two people agree on what it says.
Jeremiah says of the time of Jacob's trouble in plain language
easily understood Israel will be SAFE and none shall make him
afraid. Jeremiah 30. Like Jacob himself it will be a time of
fear and trembling but just as Jacob was safe, guarded by
angels, so will Israel be.
[/quote]
#Post#: 11598--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: April 5, 2020, 5:09 pm
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The great end-time persecution stops when Jesus returns for the
great persecutor will be slain and the devil locked up.
This is Paul's description of the Rapture.
"the dead in Christ will rise first then we who are alive and
remain will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in
the clouds"
He doesn't say a thing about any left behind nor does any other
scripture.
#Post#: 11619--------------------------------------------------
Re: Is the church ready for the great tribulation?
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 6, 2020, 7:12 pm
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> The great end-time persecution stops when Jesus returns for
the great persecutor will be slain and the devil locked up.
>
>
> This is Paul's description of the Rapture.
>
>
> "the dead in Christ will rise first then we who are alive and
remain will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in
the clouds"
>
>
>
> He doesn't say a thing about any left behind nor does any
other scripture.
>
--- End Quote ---
Ah, you are using the Post Trib Rapture....It can be taken apart
piece by piece, that is if by chance you read Rev. Literally.
Blade
Read the gospels literally
Jesus said "after [that is post] the tribulation of those days
.... they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds with
great power and glory and He will send forth His angels to
gather the elect from the four corners of heaven ..."
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