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#Post#: 11341--------------------------------------------------
The absent Bride
By: Billy Evmur Date: March 26, 2020, 5:19 pm
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In older translations of the bible than St. Jerome we read in
Matthew 25 in the parable of the 10 maidens "and at midnight the
cry went up "Behold the Bridegroom cometh and His bride ...."
Now this gave St Jerome a headache, he knew that the church is
depicted as the bride of Christ but he thought surely the church
in the parable is depicted in the 5 wise virgins, how then can
there be 2 churches at the same event?
He solved his problem by dropping the bride out of the parable
But even if she is not mentioned her omission is glaringly
obvious, the maidens are the bridal attendants they are not the
bride whether they be wise or foolish. All translations of the
bible since St Jerome have followed him in omitting the bride
from the parable.
Why is this important?
It is important because it shows a people, a considerable number
of people, who are to receive mercy and get entrance into the
Kingdom of Heaven than just the church. The Bride of course gets
entry with her Bridegroom.
10 in scripture is called a whole number and always signifies a
whole thing, in this case the whole world, all nations. The 10
maidens represent all nations and we see that 5 were wise and 5
foolish. The 5 wise gained entrance, not because they were
watching and waiting for they slept and slumber as heavy as the
foolish.
They gained entry because they were diligent in attending to
their duties as attendants to the bride, they kept their lamps
trimmed and filled thus providing assistance to the progress of
the Groom and bride.
What does this all mean? Jesus said "if people are not against
us they are for us" I have always cringed when I've listened to
hell-fire preaching. The "turn or burn" brigade. Our job is
never to damn people, we ought not to do it. We know if folks we
are dealing with are saved as to their present state and we are
right to point out their present unsaved condition but never to
damn them to hell.
We may preach that there is a hell, the place of eternal
punishment but we should never be the judges of who will be sent
there.
We are called to preach the GOOD NEWS, the GOSPEL and the gospel
is the power of God unto salvation.
#Post#: 11362--------------------------------------------------
Re: The absent Bride
By: patrick jane Date: March 27, 2020, 2:57 am
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=851.msg11341#msg11341
date=1585261164]
In older translations of the bible than St. Jerome we read in
Matthew 25 in the parable of the 10 maidens "and at midnight the
cry went up "Behold the Bridegroom cometh and His bride ...."
Now this gave St Jerome a headache, he knew that the church is
depicted as the bride of Christ but he thought surely the church
in the parable is depicted in the 5 wise virgins, how then can
there be 2 churches at the same event?
He solved his problem by dropping the bride out of the parable
But even if she is not mentioned her omission is glaringly
obvious, the maidens are the bridal attendants they are not the
bride whether they be wise or foolish. All translations of the
bible since St Jerome have followed him in omitting the bride
from the parable.
Why is this important?
It is important because it shows a people, a considerable number
of people, who are to receive mercy and get entrance into the
Kingdom of Heaven than just the church. The Bride of course gets
entry with her Bridegroom.
10 in scripture is called a whole number and always signifies a
whole thing, in this case the whole world, all nations. The 10
maidens represent all nations and we see that 5 were wise and 5
foolish. The 5 wise gained entrance, not because they were
watching and waiting for they slept and slumber as heavy as the
foolish.
They gained entry because they were diligent in attending to
their duties as attendants to the bride, they kept their lamps
trimmed and filled thus providing assistance to the progress of
the Groom and bride.
What does this all mean? Jesus said "if people are not against
us they are for us" I have always cringed when I've listened to
hell-fire preaching. The "turn or burn" brigade. Our job is
never to damn people, we ought not to do it. We know if folks we
are dealing with are saved as to their present state and we are
right to point out their present unsaved condition but never to
damn them to hell.
We may preach that there is a hell, the place of eternal
punishment but we should never be the judges of who will be sent
there.
We are called to preach the GOOD NEWS, the GOSPEL and the gospel
is the power of God unto salvation.
[/quote]Very good Billy and I never tell anyone they are going
to hell, I don't wish hell for anyone. I have a true fear of God
but I believe it's in a good way.
#Post#: 11383--------------------------------------------------
Re: The absent Bride
By: Billy Evmur Date: March 28, 2020, 3:56 am
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[font=times new roman]I never understood it. I know Billy Graham
got into trouble and some televangelists because they refused to
condemn people to hell.
I love Billy Graham even if I disagreed with his theology at
some points.
The point is it one thing to believe in the Wider mercy, that
billions of human souls will not end up in eternal misery, the
wicked will be turned into hell. But you've got to back it up.
You have to have the scripture to show your doctrine. Believing
in the 1000 year reign if you really think it through does throw
the doctrine of eternal destiny into a different light.
God wooed me over a considerable length of time leading up to my
being saved through a gospel magazine. It was a bi-monthly
magazine but because it was shipped from America [God bless
America] it would arrive any time between 6 and 10 weeks. But I
always KNEW when it had arrived, I mean unfailingly, I worked
long hours in a tough job and would travel home in the tube and
somehow know on the day that my copy of T.L.Osborn's Faith
Digest had arrived and I was never wrong.
One day I came home, I lived in a company hostel for junior
managers in London, I expected to find my magazine but it was
not in the mail box ... I was so-o disappointed.
After supper a mate of mine came busting in my room and he said
"look I really hope you will not be mad at me but I've been
intrigued for months about that magazine you get from America so
when I saw I pinched it and took it to my room to read ... here
it is...."The message of the magazine was always God's great
love in sending His Son to die for us PERSONALLY He died for us,
that He had not changed and if we will believe in Him He will
come and take up His abode in us. It was packed with stories of
miracles from T.L.'S fantastic African crusades.
Well I didn't believe the miracles, after all he's American and
quite a colourful guy at that, mebbe he just gets carried away.
But I LOVED the sermons, packed with scriptures, I bought a
bible to check up on what he said. There was one scripture that
always leaped out out me "Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday
and today and forever" simple you think but I used to stare long
and hard at that trying to figure it out. When eventually I got
saved through that magazine I understood it. .
And I am unashamedly a Pentecostalist. and I found a little
Pentecostal church to attend. Here's what I never understood. I
never could understand those dear old saints, how that in
meeting they would stand to give testimony and praise the Lord
and pray so beautifully and then we'd go down to Hyde Park
Corner to preach. They would jump up on a soapbox and start
screaming at the people, crying out against their wickedness and
thunder hell-fire and damnation at them, they were like crazy
men and women.
Yet these were the very same saints who just now were telling
such GOOD things about the Lord, how He had blessed them, how
patient and merciful He was with them. It did my head in. Don't
they realise that the people are hurting? many in deep trouble
of one sort or another? don't they understand that the message
they need so much was all the wonderful things they were saying
in church? That He saves, He heals, He is an ever present help
to any who are in need ... it broke my heart.
And STILL more than 40 years later it breaks my heart that
christians can't get on to the GOOD NEWS that is in the gospel
when they are witnessing. Sure people must repent, I did,
because when I understood that scripture, that He is the same as
in bible days, I wanted Jesus more than I wanted sin ... I ran
to him.[/font]
#Post#: 16083--------------------------------------------------
Re: The absent Bride
By: patrick jane Date: August 12, 2020, 7:17 am
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Good Billy
#Post#: 16668--------------------------------------------------
Re: The absent Bride
By: patrick jane Date: August 26, 2020, 5:02 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=851.msg16083#msg16083
date=1597234635]
Good Billy
[/quote]Bad Billy
#Post#: 17578--------------------------------------------------
Re: The absent Bride
By: patrick jane Date: September 14, 2020, 6:08 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=851.msg16668#msg16668
date=1598479321]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=851.msg16083#msg16083
date=1597234635]
Good Billy
[/quote]Bad Billy
[/quote]Where did the bride go?
#Post#: 17680--------------------------------------------------
Re: The absent Bride
By: patrick jane Date: September 17, 2020, 6:12 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=851.msg17578#msg17578
date=1600124893]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=851.msg16668#msg16668
date=1598479321]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=851.msg16083#msg16083
date=1597234635]
Good Billy
[/quote]Bad Billy
[/quote]Where did the bride go?
[/quote]Billy does not know
#Post#: 18903--------------------------------------------------
Re: The absent Bride
By: patrick jane Date: October 15, 2020, 10:21 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=851.msg17680#msg17680
date=1600384369]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=851.msg17578#msg17578
date=1600124893]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=851.msg16668#msg16668
date=1598479321]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=851.msg16083#msg16083
date=1597234635]
Good Billy
[/quote]Bad Billy
[/quote]Where did the bride go?
[/quote]Billy does not know
[/quote]He knows a few things
#Post#: 19484--------------------------------------------------
Re: The absent Bride
By: patrick jane Date: October 24, 2020, 7:32 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=851.msg18903#msg18903
date=1602818463]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=851.msg17680#msg17680
date=1600384369]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=851.msg17578#msg17578
date=1600124893]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=851.msg16668#msg16668
date=1598479321]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=851.msg16083#msg16083
date=1597234635]
Good Billy
[/quote]Bad Billy
[/quote]Where did the bride go?
[/quote]Billy does not know
[/quote]He knows a few things
[/quote] :D
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