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#Post#: 15601--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
By: patrick jane Date: July 27, 2020, 10:14 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=85.msg764#msg764
date=1536275937]
[quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=85.msg754#msg754
date=1536209468]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=85.msg750#msg750
date=1536198885]
You said:"unless you hold a belief that gay people will always
be gay and it is outside of their control."
Jon, in answer to your question above, I do not KNOW?
What I believe is GOD's WORD (KJV) and Mankinds Medical Science.
With Science there is no proof whatsoever including DNA that
would legitimize Homosexuality.
God's WORD is sovereign above all else. I think you already know
the verses that are associated with this behavior.
Here is an article I found... (ex-GAY)
HTML http://www.khouse.org/enews_article/2007/1224/print/
I do know that you are taking a terrible chance. For everyone
has a Rapture date(death). After that time has passed, no
further choices can be made. It will be too late and what if you
and your assumptions are wrong?
Blade
[/quote]
I’m quicker than a good many people to admit the possibility
that I could be wrong about something. I may not have come off
as clearly as I intended (i’m Not always the clearest speaker),
but I was sure that I stated my belief that homosexuality is a
choice and a sin. I believe it carries the same repercussions in
a Christians life as any other sin.
I’m unsure what chance I am taking, if I speak with a homosexual
on the subject I will make it abundantly clear to them that God
has the only authority on the matter and that to look for all
answers within Him and His will, just like everybody else. I
appreciate your concerns, and I will tell you that I am aware
that nothing is negotiable with God. I am well aware that a
salvific error means my condemnation if I will not accept the
truth. I’ve accepted the possibility of condemnation, I have
acknowledged to the Lord that I may misunderstand something that
is salvific and that I will raise no fuss with God about the
outcome. I don’t worry about my salvation, I make sure that
people know how to find theirs.
[/quote]
Now this is out of the way, we can continue to debate other
pressing agendas of the Bible.
Blade
[/quote]Yes
#Post#: 16861--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
By: patrick jane Date: August 30, 2020, 4:47 pm
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Joe does a good video on on this
#Post#: 16966--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
By: patrick jane Date: September 1, 2020, 12:05 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytPAHkNR5Tc&list=WL&index=4&t=0s
#Post#: 19216--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
By: guest8 Date: October 21, 2020, 9:02 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=85.msg19198#msg19198
date=1603295302]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=85.msg18491#msg18491
date=1602088723]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA&list=WL&index=27&t=78s
[/quote]Controversial.
[/quote]
Yes, it is a sin.. and GOD has placed the whole world under
judgement.
Rom 1: 24-25..".Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness
through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own
bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a
lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the
Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."
Notice the words "gave them up to) for three times you will read
this in three different judgements.
This first judgement is about sexuality and the sexual
revolution that started sometime in the late 80's to early 90's.
Homo sexuality came out of the closets and hit the streets.
Rom 1:25-26.."For this cause God gave them up unto vile
affections: for even their women did change the natural use into
that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving
the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward
another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and
receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was
meet."
Again we see the words "gave them up" and again another
judgement that began in the early two thousands.... STD's became
rampant and the homosexual group was now in full swing. GOD's
Bow (rainBOW) a convenant to mankind yet, those who practice
homosexuality fly a rainbow colored flag. Is it a sin?
In the final Judgement which started around 2014-15, The final
step of letting mankind lose his mind.
Rom 1:28...."And even as they did not like to retain God in
their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do
those things which are not convenient;"
Here GOD "gave them over to" to
Rom 1:29-31.."Being filled with all unrighteousness,
fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of
envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters,
haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil
things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding,
covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable,
unmerciful:"
Are these sins......If you (the reader) thinks NOT, it is
because God has "given you over to "; well you have read His
words...
Blade
#Post#: 27591--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
By: patrick jane Date: March 27, 2021, 9:54 am
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PORN: Is it REALLY a Bad Habit? | Louder with Crowder
Steven Crowder delves into the very real problems pornography
has dealt out. On just about everyone...
18 minutes
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WWRJBvw6Q4
#Post#: 27642--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
By: patrick jane Date: March 27, 2021, 9:37 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfu70qKNqW8
#Post#: 27645--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
By: guest33 Date: March 27, 2021, 10:47 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=85.msg19216#msg19216
date=1603332132]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=85.msg19198#msg19198
date=1603295302]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=85.msg18491#msg18491
date=1602088723]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA&list=WL&index=27&t=78s
[/quote]Controversial.
[/quote]
Yes, it is a sin.. and GOD has placed the whole world under
judgement.
Rom 1: 24-25..".Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness
through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own
bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a
lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the
Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."
Notice the words "gave them up to) for three times you will read
this in three different judgements.
This first judgement is about sexuality and the sexual
revolution that started sometime in the late 80's to early 90's.
Homo sexuality came out of the closets and hit the streets.
Rom 1:25-26.."For this cause God gave them up unto vile
affections: for even their women did change the natural use into
that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving
the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward
another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and
receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was
meet."
Again we see the words "gave them up" and again another
judgement that began in the early two thousands.... STD's became
rampant and the homosexual group was now in full swing. GOD's
Bow (rainBOW) a convenant to mankind yet, those who practice
homosexuality fly a rainbow colored flag. Is it a sin?
In the final Judgement which started around 2014-15, The final
step of letting mankind lose his mind.
Rom 1:28...."And even as they did not like to retain God in
their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do
those things which are not convenient;"
Here GOD "gave them over to" to
Rom 1:29-31.."Being filled with all unrighteousness,
fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of
envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters,
haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil
things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding,
covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable,
unmerciful:"
Are these sins......If you (the reader) thinks NOT, it is
because God has "given you over to "; well you have read His
words...
Blade
[/quote]
Dear blade,
Please keep this in mind. I am in no wise claiming that
homosexuality is not a sin. That's been my stand since I began
here. There are many sins that God and Jesus forgives, and they
love the sinners in spite of their errors. Note that Saul,
traveling on the road to Damascus, was visited by the Lord,
being forgiven of all of the Christians he had killed. If Jesus
forgave him for those killings, you might understand that there
are other circumstances that the Lord considers, also. Paul was
a killer of Christians and the woman whom Jesus forgave for
adultery was also a sinner.
BR, the Lord has had to forgive a lot of sins in continuing to
love us sinners regardless. We are ALL sinners, except Jesus.
Jesus was sent to the sinners primarily, but also the righteous.
He has forgiven sinners that have stolen, lied to, divorced,
and more, but His love remains for anyone who is suffering from
these problems or ways.
Wise it is if you can quit from each sin and do the Lord's will.
The Lord does try to show us how He wants us to live, by
certain commandments, like thou shall not kill, or steal, bear
false witness {lying}, etc. If the Lord does not show us each
sin, we would not know how to not do it {avoid it}. Can you
understand? We all know that sin is wrong, but first we must
know what is sin and what is not.
When Cain slew Abel, he most likely did not know that hitting
his brother with a rock would kill him. He was angry, upset,
and didn't know it would make his brother become nonexistent or
dead. If Cain did not do this horrible thing, we would not know
what we were not supposed to do, re killing his brother.
Someone had to kill someone to realize what kind of malice it
caused. This all could happen either way, no matter which sin I
addressed. The secret is to hate the sin, but love the sinner.
Jesus taught us to love even our enemies, not necessarily their
sins, too.
In the Ten Commandments, God Himself said, "Thou shalt not
kill." It did not come from a disciple or apostle, but instead,
God Himself. Yet it did not stop people to keep from killing
others, for the most part. If a disciple or apostle says to not
kill, should we hear it from them first, before God. In
general, if a man does not know what IS a sin, then he will then
not know what to keep from doing unless it is at least explained
to or shown him, first.
I guess I will just try to quit explaining. Most of all sins
are forgivable. It is good if it ends with a victory, of
course, and a sinner is redeemed/saved. Jesus loves sinners and
the righteous. Be sure to leave the judging of a soul to God
Himself. It's best that way. He knows more details about the
subject. He loves us, so God bless you.
MichaelC
#Post#: 27700--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
By: guest8 Date: March 28, 2021, 9:07 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=MichaelC link=topic=85.msg27645#msg27645
date=1616903258]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=85.msg19216#msg19216
date=1603332132]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=85.msg19198#msg19198
date=1603295302]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=85.msg18491#msg18491
date=1602088723]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA&list=WL&index=27&t=78s
[/quote]Controversial.
[/quote]
Yes, it is a sin.. and GOD has placed the whole world under
judgement.
Rom 1: 24-25..".Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness
through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own
bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a
lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the
Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."
Notice the words "gave them up to) for three times you will read
this in three different judgements.
This first judgement is about sexuality and the sexual
revolution that started sometime in the late 80's to early 90's.
Homo sexuality came out of the closets and hit the streets.
Rom 1:25-26.."For this cause God gave them up unto vile
affections: for even their women did change the natural use into
that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving
the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward
another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and
receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was
meet."
Again we see the words "gave them up" and again another
judgement that began in the early two thousands.... STD's became
rampant and the homosexual group was now in full swing. GOD's
Bow (rainBOW) a convenant to mankind yet, those who practice
homosexuality fly a rainbow colored flag. Is it a sin?
In the final Judgement which started around 2014-15, The final
step of letting mankind lose his mind.
Rom 1:28...."And even as they did not like to retain God in
their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do
those things which are not convenient;"
Here GOD "gave them over to" to
Rom 1:29-31.."Being filled with all unrighteousness,
fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of
envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters,
haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil
things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding,
covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable,
unmerciful:"
Are these sins......If you (the reader) thinks NOT, it is
because God has "given you over to "; well you have read His
words...
Blade
[/quote]
Dear blade,
Please keep this in mind. I am in no wise claiming that
homosexuality is not a sin. That's been my stand since I began
here. There are many sins that God and Jesus forgives, and they
love the sinners in spite of their errors. Note that Saul,
traveling on the road to Damascus, was visited by the Lord,
being forgiven of all of the Christians he had killed. If Jesus
forgave him for those killings, you might understand that there
are other circumstances that the Lord considers, also. Paul was
a killer of Christians and the woman whom Jesus forgave for
adultery was also a sinner.
BR, the Lord has had to forgive a lot of sins in continuing to
love us sinners regardless. We are ALL sinners, except Jesus.
Jesus was sent to the sinners primarily, but also the righteous.
He has forgiven sinners that have stolen, lied to, divorced,
and more, but His love remains for anyone who is suffering from
these problems or ways.
Wise it is if you can quit from each sin and do the Lord's will.
The Lord does try to show us how He wants us to live, by
certain commandments, like thou shall not kill, or steal, bear
false witness {lying}, etc. If the Lord does not show us each
sin, we would not know how to not do it {avoid it}. Can you
understand? We all know that sin is wrong, but first we must
know what is sin and what is not.
When Cain slew Abel, he most likely did not know that hitting
his brother with a rock would kill him. He was angry, upset,
and didn't know it would make his brother become nonexistent or
dead. If Cain did not do this horrible thing, we would not know
what we were not supposed to do, re killing his brother.
Someone had to kill someone to realize what kind of malice it
caused. This all could happen either way, no matter which sin I
addressed. The secret is to hate the sin, but love the sinner.
Jesus taught us to love even our enemies, not necessarily their
sins, too.
In the Ten Commandments, God Himself said, "Thou shalt not
kill." It did not come from a disciple or apostle, but instead,
God Himself. Yet it did not stop people to keep from killing
others, for the most part. If a disciple or apostle says to not
kill, should we hear it from them first, before God. In
general, if a man does not know what IS a sin, then he will then
not know what to keep from doing unless it is at least explained
to or shown him, first.
I guess I will just try to quit explaining. Most of all sins
are forgivable. It is good if it ends with a victory, of
course, and a sinner is redeemed/saved. Jesus loves sinners and
the righteous. Be sure to leave the judging of a soul to God
Himself. It's best that way. He knows more details about the
subject. He loves us, so God bless you.
MichaelC
[/quote]
Good evening Michael....Thanks for the info and I agree and
disagree with different parts.. The two parts are Sin and the
ten commandments.
Sin.... I agree sin is in all of us. We lose our ability to
chose between sin and Jesus when our bodies die the 1st death.
If we have not chosen to Believe in His Gospel (according to
scripture), we will be condemned to live eternally away from Him
in the Lake of Fire. Therefore the only unforgivable Sin is
"Unbelief"
The Ten Commandments.. were KNOWN most likely known long before
Exodus was written. It is obvious that Cain and Abel knew about
the Sacrifice ritual which is the reason why GOD did not find
favor with Cain.
Jesus in the NT repeated seven commandments from the original
ten. These were given to us by our Apostle, Paul. The other
three commandments were
ceremonial in nature and with the end of Laws of Moses, they
could not be properly followed.
It is good to converse with you my friend...Pray you have a very
blessed week.
Blade
#Post#: 27709--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
By: guest33 Date: March 29, 2021, 12:28 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=85.msg27700#msg27700
date=1616983672]
[quote author=MichaelC link=topic=85.msg27645#msg27645
date=1616903258]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=85.msg19216#msg19216
date=1603332132]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=85.msg19198#msg19198
date=1603295302]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=85.msg18491#msg18491
date=1602088723]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA&list=WL&index=27&t=78s
[/quote]Controversial.
[/quote]
Yes, it is a sin.. and GOD has placed the whole world under
judgement.
Rom 1: 24-25..".Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness
through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own
bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a
lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the
Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."
Notice the words "gave them up to) for three times you will read
this in three different judgements.
This first judgement is about sexuality and the sexual
revolution that started sometime in the late 80's to early 90's.
Homo sexuality came out of the closets and hit the streets.
Rom 1:25-26.."For this cause God gave them up unto vile
affections: for even their women did change the natural use into
that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving
the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward
another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and
receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was
meet."
Again we see the words "gave them up" and again another
judgement that began in the early two thousands.... STD's became
rampant and the homosexual group was now in full swing. GOD's
Bow (rainBOW) a convenant to mankind yet, those who practice
homosexuality fly a rainbow colored flag. Is it a sin?
In the final Judgement which started around 2014-15, The final
step of letting mankind lose his mind.
Rom 1:28...."And even as they did not like to retain God in
their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do
those things which are not convenient;"
Here GOD "gave them over to" to
Rom 1:29-31.."Being filled with all unrighteousness,
fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of
envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters,
haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil
things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding,
covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable,
unmerciful:"
Are these sins......If you (the reader) thinks NOT, it is
because God has "given you over to "; well you have read His
words...
Blade
[/quote]
Dear blade,
Please keep this in mind. I am in no wise claiming that
homosexuality is not a sin. That's been my stand since I began
here. There are many sins that God and Jesus forgives, and they
love the sinners in spite of their errors. Note that Saul,
traveling on the road to Damascus, was visited by the Lord,
being forgiven of all of the Christians he had killed. If Jesus
forgave him for those killings, you might understand that there
are other circumstances that the Lord considers, also. Paul was
a killer of Christians and the woman whom Jesus forgave for
adultery was also a sinner.
BR, the Lord has had to forgive a lot of sins in continuing to
love us sinners regardless. We are ALL sinners, except Jesus.
Jesus was sent to the sinners primarily, but also the righteous.
He has forgiven sinners that have stolen, lied to, divorced,
and more, but His love remains for anyone who is suffering from
these problems or ways.
Wise it is if you can quit from each sin and do the Lord's will.
The Lord does try to show us how He wants us to live, by
certain commandments, like thou shall not kill, or steal, bear
false witness {lying}, etc. If the Lord does not show us each
sin, we would not know how to not do it {avoid it}. Can you
understand? We all know that sin is wrong, but first we must
know what is sin and what is not.
When Cain slew Abel, he most likely did not know that hitting
his brother with a rock would kill him. He was angry, upset,
and didn't know it would make his brother become nonexistent or
dead. If Cain did not do this horrible thing, we would not know
what we were not supposed to do, re killing his brother.
Someone had to kill someone to realize what kind of malice it
caused. This all could happen either way, no matter which sin I
addressed. The secret is to hate the sin, but love the sinner.
Jesus taught us to love even our enemies, not necessarily their
sins, too.
In the Ten Commandments, God Himself said, "Thou shalt not
kill." It did not come from a disciple or apostle, but instead,
God Himself. Yet it did not stop people to keep from killing
others, for the most part. If a disciple or apostle says to not
kill, should we hear it from them first, before God. In
general, if a man does not know what IS a sin, then he will then
not know what to keep from doing unless it is at least explained
to or shown him, first.
I guess I will just try to quit explaining. Most of all sins
are forgivable. It is good if it ends with a victory, of
course, and a sinner is redeemed/saved. Jesus loves sinners and
the righteous. Be sure to leave the judging of a soul to God
Himself. It's best that way. He knows more details about the
subject. He loves us, so God bless you.
MichaelC
[/quote]
Good evening Michael....Thanks for the info and I agree and
disagree with different parts.. The two parts are Sin and the
ten commandments.
Sin.... I agree sin is in all of us. We lose our ability to
chose between sin and Jesus when our bodies die the 1st death.
If we have not chosen to Believe in His Gospel (according to
scripture), we will be condemned to live eternally away from Him
in the Lake of Fire. Therefore the only unforgivable Sin is
"Unbelief"
The Ten Commandments.. were KNOWN most likely known long before
Exodus was written. It is obvious that Cain and Abel knew about
the Sacrifice ritual which is the reason why GOD did not find
favor with Cain.
Jesus in the NT repeated seven commandments from the original
ten. These were given to us by our Apostle, Paul. The other
three commandments were
ceremonial in nature and with the end of Laws of Moses, they
could not be properly followed.
It is good to converse with you my friend...Pray you have a very
blessed week.
Blade
[/quote]
Dear Blade,
Hey Buddy,
Thanks for your pleasant reply. I don't usually get time to
respond this soon, but I've got a dentist appt. after this, so I
had to get up early. I wonder if blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is
not the most unforgivable sin. Disbelief is a real bummer and
you can't really get much taught to you because of it.
So, did Cain actually know what he was doing when he struck Abel
with a rock and killed him. Get back to me and let me know more
about it.
Dying the first death is dying during this next resurrection, as
far as I know. Dying the second death is after this first
resurrection to come when Jesus returns for us. If you are
taken during the first resurrection, you don't have to be
concerned with the 2nd.
It was made known to me that the meek shall inherit the Earth
after this 1st resurrection and they will populate the Earth one
last time. Note that the 'rest of the dead did not live again
until the thousand years were fulfilled.' During those thousand
years, those who die during this 1st resurrection will rule with
Jesus over the people still on Earth. See Rev. 20:5KJV.
From what I understand, the 2nd death will culminate with the
lack of our present Earth and a new Earth provided. See Rev.
21:1. There will be a new Heaven and no sea. As far as I know,
there will be a great explosion, possibly of the sun, and it
shall dissolve the elements. I don't know too much about it
because God doesn't tell me things that can wait until some
other time later. I have had enough to deal with and it has
often not been easy. There will be two nations: Gog & Magog.
Blade, you are one of the closest of friends that I know here on
FEF. I would love to be on this forum a lot more often, but so
far, I have been having tasks and medical predicaments that keep
me busy. It now takes me a long time just to do a load of
laundry. I was in the hospital for 2 months at once and I only
weigh 124 lbs. now. Perhaps it's soon time to give up the
ghost. Only God knows when. I used to weigh 173 lbs. a while
back. I'm glad to lose some weight, but Whoa!
If the Lord had not visited me often, I would not know all of
the things that I've learned from Him. I have had a few
overwhelming visions also, but they were worth it. I knew about
the CA fires back in 1982. Now, that was a tremendous vision --
not the most pleasant, but the most heavy. I saw a great,
massive earthquake after the brush fires burned there for quite
a while. It is written about in my book which was published in
1999. I'd best shut up now and get going.
May Jesus Hold Your Hands & Heart. Looking forward until we
speak again.
With Much Love For A Wonderful Brethren,
MichaelC
#Post#: 27720--------------------------------------------------
Re: Homosexuality - Is it a Sin?
By: guest8 Date: March 29, 2021, 8:58 pm
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[quote author=MichaelC link=topic=85.msg27709#msg27709
date=1617038892]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=85.msg27700#msg27700
date=1616983672]
[quote author=MichaelC link=topic=85.msg27645#msg27645
date=1616903258]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=85.msg19216#msg19216
date=1603332132]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=85.msg19198#msg19198
date=1603295302]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=85.msg18491#msg18491
date=1602088723]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYRXop7aPA&list=WL&index=27&t=78s
[/quote]Controversial.
[/quote]
Yes, it is a sin.. and GOD has placed the whole world under
judgement.
Rom 1: 24-25..".Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness
through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own
bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a
lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the
Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."
Notice the words "gave them up to) for three times you will read
this in three different judgements.
This first judgement is about sexuality and the sexual
revolution that started sometime in the late 80's to early 90's.
Homo sexuality came out of the closets and hit the streets.
Rom 1:25-26.."For this cause God gave them up unto vile
affections: for even their women did change the natural use into
that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving
the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward
another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and
receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was
meet."
Again we see the words "gave them up" and again another
judgement that began in the early two thousands.... STD's became
rampant and the homosexual group was now in full swing. GOD's
Bow (rainBOW) a convenant to mankind yet, those who practice
homosexuality fly a rainbow colored flag. Is it a sin?
In the final Judgement which started around 2014-15, The final
step of letting mankind lose his mind.
Rom 1:28...."And even as they did not like to retain God in
their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do
those things which are not convenient;"
Here GOD "gave them over to" to
Rom 1:29-31.."Being filled with all unrighteousness,
fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of
envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters,
haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil
things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding,
covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable,
unmerciful:"
Are these sins......If you (the reader) thinks NOT, it is
because God has "given you over to "; well you have read His
words...
Blade
[/quote]
Dear blade,
Please keep this in mind. I am in no wise claiming that
homosexuality is not a sin. That's been my stand since I began
here. There are many sins that God and Jesus forgives, and they
love the sinners in spite of their errors. Note that Saul,
traveling on the road to Damascus, was visited by the Lord,
being forgiven of all of the Christians he had killed. If Jesus
forgave him for those killings, you might understand that there
are other circumstances that the Lord considers, also. Paul was
a killer of Christians and the woman whom Jesus forgave for
adultery was also a sinner.
BR, the Lord has had to forgive a lot of sins in continuing to
love us sinners regardless. We are ALL sinners, except Jesus.
Jesus was sent to the sinners primarily, but also the righteous.
He has forgiven sinners that have stolen, lied to, divorced,
and more, but His love remains for anyone who is suffering from
these problems or ways.
Wise it is if you can quit from each sin and do the Lord's will.
The Lord does try to show us how He wants us to live, by
certain commandments, like thou shall not kill, or steal, bear
false witness {lying}, etc. If the Lord does not show us each
sin, we would not know how to not do it {avoid it}. Can you
understand? We all know that sin is wrong, but first we must
know what is sin and what is not.
When Cain slew Abel, he most likely did not know that hitting
his brother with a rock would kill him. He was angry, upset,
and didn't know it would make his brother become nonexistent or
dead. If Cain did not do this horrible thing, we would not know
what we were not supposed to do, re killing his brother.
Someone had to kill someone to realize what kind of malice it
caused. This all could happen either way, no matter which sin I
addressed. The secret is to hate the sin, but love the sinner.
Jesus taught us to love even our enemies, not necessarily their
sins, too.
In the Ten Commandments, God Himself said, "Thou shalt not
kill." It did not come from a disciple or apostle, but instead,
God Himself. Yet it did not stop people to keep from killing
others, for the most part. If a disciple or apostle says to not
kill, should we hear it from them first, before God. In
general, if a man does not know what IS a sin, then he will then
not know what to keep from doing unless it is at least explained
to or shown him, first.
I guess I will just try to quit explaining. Most of all sins
are forgivable. It is good if it ends with a victory, of
course, and a sinner is redeemed/saved. Jesus loves sinners and
the righteous. Be sure to leave the judging of a soul to God
Himself. It's best that way. He knows more details about the
subject. He loves us, so God bless you.
MichaelC
[/quote]
Good evening Michael....Thanks for the info and I agree and
disagree with different parts.. The two parts are Sin and the
ten commandments.
Sin.... I agree sin is in all of us. We lose our ability to
chose between sin and Jesus when our bodies die the 1st death.
If we have not chosen to Believe in His Gospel (according to
scripture), we will be condemned to live eternally away from Him
in the Lake of Fire. Therefore the only unforgivable Sin is
"Unbelief"
The Ten Commandments.. were KNOWN most likely known long before
Exodus was written. It is obvious that Cain and Abel knew about
the Sacrifice ritual which is the reason why GOD did not find
favor with Cain.
Jesus in the NT repeated seven commandments from the original
ten. These were given to us by our Apostle, Paul. The other
three commandments were
ceremonial in nature and with the end of Laws of Moses, they
could not be properly followed.
It is good to converse with you my friend...Pray you have a very
blessed week.
Blade
[/quote]
[quote author=MichaelC link=topic=85.msg27709#msg27709
date=1617038892]
Dear Blade,
Hey Buddy,
Thanks for your pleasant reply. I don't usually get time to
respond this soon, but I've got a dentist appt. after this, so I
had to get up early. I wonder if blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is
not the most unforgivable sin. Disbelief is a real bummer and
you can't really get much taught to you because of it.[/quote]
I stand corrected..according to Mat 12:31.."Wherefore I say unto
you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven
unto men."
Yet without unbelief, blasphemy would not be possible!
[quote author=MichaelC link=topic=85.msg27709#msg27709
date=1617038892]
So, did Cain actually know what he was doing when he struck Abel
with a rock and killed him. Get back to me and let me know more
about it.[/quote]
I am sure that Cain knows what killing was. Yet, His jealousy
was great because GOD chose Abel's offering over his......did He
really know what He was doing or did unrestrained evil take
over?
I will say this; I believe that we will see Cain in Heaven when
we get there!
[quote author=MichaelC link=topic=85.msg27709#msg27709
date=1617038892]
Dying the first death is dying during this next resurrection, as
far as I know. Dying the second death is after this first
resurrection to come when Jesus returns for us. If you are
taken during the first resurrection, you don't have to be
concerned with the 2nd.
It was made known to me that the meek shall inherit the Earth
after this 1st resurrection and they will populate the Earth one
last time. Note that the 'rest of the dead did not live again
until the thousand years were fulfilled.' During those thousand
years, those who die during this 1st resurrection will rule with
Jesus over the people still on Earth. See Rev. 20:5KJV.
[/quote]
The first resurrection ended at the beginning of the millennium.
Rev 20:5.."But the rest of the dead lived not again until the
thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."
[quote author=MichaelC link=topic=85.msg27709#msg27709
date=1617038892]
From what I understand, the 2nd death will culminate with the
lack of our present Earth and a new Earth provided. See Rev.
21:1. There will be a new Heaven and no sea. As far as I know,
there will be a great explosion, possibly of the sun, and it
shall dissolve the elements. I don't know too much about it
because God doesn't tell me things that can wait until some
other time later. I have had enough to deal with and it has
often not been easy. There will be two nations: Gog & Magog.
Blade, you are one of the closest of friends that I know here on
FEF. I would love to be on this forum a lot more often, but so
far, I have been having tasks and medical predicaments that keep
me busy. It now takes me a long time just to do a load of
laundry. I was in the hospital for 2 months at once and I only
weigh 124 lbs. now. Perhaps it's soon time to give up the
ghost. Only God knows when. I used to weigh 173 lbs. a while
back. I'm glad to lose some weight, but Whoa!
If the Lord had not visited me often, I would not know all of
the things that I've learned from Him. I have had a few
overwhelming visions also, but they were worth it. I knew about
the CA fires back in 1982. Now, that was a tremendous vision --
not the most pleasant, but the most heavy. I saw a great,
massive earthquake after the brush fires burned there for quite
a while. It is written about in my book which was published in
1999. I'd best shut up now and get going.
May Jesus Hold Your Hands & Heart. Looking forward until we
speak again.
With Much Love For A Wonderful Brethren,
MichaelC
[/quote]
Thank youi Michael for the conversation.
Blade
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