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#Post#: 11344--------------------------------------------------
Re: Religion- something for everyone
DIR By: guest125
Date: March 26, 2020, 5:59 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Mr E link=topic=849.msg11342#msg11342
date=1585262253]
> It proposes a problem for some folks, to phrase it this way.
>
> On one hand-- if you were to say that ONLY by Jesus Christ is
one saved, then you have stuck yourself in a bit of a corner.
You would have to insist that people like Abraham, Moses, and
John the Baptist and others like them who preceded the time of
the crucifixion were either- not saved by the blood of Christ,
or that the blood of Christ somehow applies to even those who
lived and sinned and died before the time of Jesus.
>
> And if the blood applies to those who never knew him or the
good news, then surely it also applies (is available) to other
people who have never even heard the gospel or had an
opportunity to repent.
>
> It's an interesting conundrum. Except it isn't. It's obvious
that Jesus is the Way-- in that it is through the Christ that is
the example and it is clear that the Christ is not limited to
space and time and our understanding of this work.
>
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Wrong. People have always been saved by grace through faith just
as we are now. That is why there is a New Testament, because of
the birth and life of Jesus, the Messiah, the Anointed One, the
Saviour. Jesus was sent by His Father for the Jews only. God
knew they would reject Him and murder him and now the Gentiles
are grafted in. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life
and there is no other way.
[/quote]
We are saying the same thing a different manner. Saved by
grace, through faith. But obviously those who preceded JESUS,
did not put their faith in JESUS, so those who say that the only
means of salvation is by faith in JESUS Christ, are lacking
understanding, and secondarily-- people can and are saved by
grace, through faith-- though they walk other paths.
#Post#: 11345--------------------------------------------------
Re: Religion- something for everyone
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: March 26, 2020, 6:03 pm
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--- Quote from: Mr E link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=849.msg11343#msg11343
date=1585262919]
> [quote author=Mr E link=topic=849.msg11342#msg11342
date=1585262253]
> It proposes a problem for some folks, to phrase it this way.
>
> On one hand-- if you were to say that ONLY by Jesus Christ is
one saved, then you have stuck yourself in a bit of a corner.
You would have to insist that people like Abraham, Moses, and
John the Baptist and others like them who preceded the time of
the crucifixion were either- not saved by the blood of Christ,
or that the blood of Christ somehow applies to even those who
lived and sinned and died before the time of Jesus.
>
> And if the blood applies to those who never knew him or the
good news, then surely it also applies (is available) to other
people who have never even heard the gospel or had an
opportunity to repent.
>
> It's an interesting conundrum. Except it isn't. It's obvious
that Jesus is the Way-- in that it is through the Christ that is
the example and it is clear that the Christ is not limited to
space and time and our understanding of this work.
>
>
>
--- End Quote ---
Wrong. People have always been saved by grace through faith just
as we are now. That is why there is a New Testament, because of
the birth and life of Jesus, the Messiah, the Anointed One, the
Saviour. Jesus was sent by His Father for the Jews only. God
knew they would reject Him and murder him and now the Gentiles
are grafted in. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life
and there is no other way.
[/quote]
We are saying the same thing a different manner. Saved by
grace, through faith. But obviously those who preceded JESUS,
did not put their faith in JESUS, so those who say that the only
means of salvation is by faith in JESUS Christ, are lacking
understanding, and secondarily-- people can and are saved by
grace, through faith-- though they walk other paths.
[/quote]Before Christ was the Old Testament, no belief in Jesus
was required but obeying the law was. Now it is grace. Simple.
#Post#: 11346--------------------------------------------------
Re: Religion- something for everyone
DIR By: guest125
Date: March 26, 2020, 6:52 pm
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Yes-- simple.
Abraham, Issac and Jacob-- to name a few all came before Moses
and thus before the Law.
So God comes, as He chooses, to whom He chooses, how He chooses
and it is by His grace, we are saved.
Those who insist the God must come in a manner they expect are
those who miss (sin) when He comes in a manner they do not
expect.
#Post#: 11347--------------------------------------------------
Re: Religion- something for everyone
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: March 26, 2020, 8:30 pm
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Yes and since the DBR of Jesus Christ believing in Him is
required for eternal life. Anyone and everyone who does not
believe is not saved.
#Post#: 11404--------------------------------------------------
Re: Religion- something for everyone
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: March 29, 2020, 11:04 pm
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--- Quote from: Mr E link ---
>
> Yes-- simple.
>
> Abraham, Issac and Jacob-- to name a few all came before Moses
and thus before the Law.
>
> So God comes, as He chooses, to whom He chooses, how He
chooses and it is by His grace, we are saved.
>
> Those who insist the God must come in a manner they expect are
those who miss (sin) when He comes in a manner they do not
expect.
>
--- End Quote ---
The title indicates that there are many ways TODAY to be saved
other than by belief in Jesus Christ. The Old Covenant was
replaced.
#Post#: 11412--------------------------------------------------
Re: Religion- something for everyone
DIR By: guest125
Date: March 30, 2020, 6:33 pm
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Abram was a pagan when God came to him.
So God can and has come to pagans...by definition, someone who
holds diverse religious views.
Could God come to a Muslim? A Buddhist? A Hindu? Do you think
he hasn't?
God reveals Himself to whom He chooses, and by the manner in
which He chooses. God is not limited in any way by the
imaginary limits we (in error) try to put on Him. The Bible-
the old testament in particular tells the stories it tells as
examples of how God came and communicated to different people at
different times. It's a sampling, not a comprehensive
collection for all peoples and at all times. When Christ came
and communicated the Word of the Father that was in him, he made
it clear that there was no barriers to entry into the Kingdom of
God... no requirements other than to turn from misunderstanding
to understanding, from darkness to Light and from sin to Life.
Turn, believe and be saved. This was for all people- not just a
few select, or elect or with special genetics, or special
understanding-- but for all. For any who would hear and take to
heart his message.
#Post#: 11443--------------------------------------------------
Re: Religion- something for everyone
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: April 1, 2020, 12:27 am
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Mr E, I think Jesus said to believe in Him and repent, that was
the message. Not that God might come to each one of you and save
you by grace, right? Israel was cut off again for unbelief.
#Post#: 11473--------------------------------------------------
Re: Religion- something for everyone
DIR By: guest125
Date: April 1, 2020, 10:58 am
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> Mr E, I think Jesus said to believe in Him and repent, that
was the message. Not that God might come to each one of you and
save you by grace, right? Israel was cut off again for unbelief.
>
--- End Quote ---
We are judged on honest scales. What do we do with the light we
are given?
From those who were given much, much will be required. From
those who were given little, little is required. Luke 12
God does come to all but not everyone receives Him. And those
who claim to see and to know and by this teach others --from
these there will be a difficult accounting. Those who have
rejected Him and opposed Him will be cut off.
#Post#: 11681--------------------------------------------------
Re: Religion- something for everyone
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: April 8, 2020, 11:09 pm
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--- Quote from: Mr E link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=849.msg11443#msg11443
date=1585718859]
> Mr E, I think Jesus said to believe in Him and repent, that
was the message. Not that God might come to each one of you and
save you by grace, right? Israel was cut off again for unbelief.
>
--- End Quote ---
We are judged on honest scales. What do we do with the light we
are given?
From those who were given much, much will be required. From
those who were given little, little is required. Luke 12
God does come to all but not everyone receives Him. And those
who claim to see and to know and by this teach others --from
these there will be a difficult accounting. Those who have
rejected Him and opposed Him will be cut off.
[/quote]Interesting.
#Post#: 17911--------------------------------------------------
Re: Religion- something for everyone
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: September 23, 2020, 5:22 pm
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