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Religion- something for everyone
By: guest125 Date: March 25, 2020, 3:37 pm
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Re: Religion- something for everyone
By: guest125 Date: March 25, 2020, 3:52 pm
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Pick a flavor and drink from the cup.
If it doesn't suit your tastes, pick something else. There's
something for everyone.
There really is.
But not if you ask everyone, because most everyone will try to
tell you that you must drink from their cup. None more
vehemently than the Jews. Unless it's the Catholics.... But the
Muslims? They will insist that they are the true religion. So
will the protestants who fill cups with more flavors than anyone
can count, and then there are the various cults of mormons,
JW's, universalists, gnostics, peaceniks and priests of the
green movement.
Oh and Hindus, Buddhists, Spiritualists of all kinds- such as
native indians, african tribes or primal indigenous people of
all kinds.
You must know that you can find both fine, and horrible folks
among any and all groups.... why? Because they are people and
there are fine and horrible people everywhere within, or without
religion. And there are people who are fine at times, and
horrible at other times. Isn't it so of everyone you know?
Including you and me?
Honestly. Do you think the cup you drink from is the very best
flavor? Do you insist that it must be? Do you insist that
others must come and taste and see? That they are condemned if
they do not?
Isn't that a little presumptuous?
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Re: Religion- something for everyone
By: patrick jane Date: March 25, 2020, 5:30 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=849.msg11312#msg11312
date=1585169524]
Pick a flavor and drink from the cup.
If it doesn't suit your tastes, pick something else. There's
something for everyone.
There really is.
But not if you ask everyone, because most everyone will try to
tell you that you must drink from their cup. None more
vehemently than the Jews. Unless it's the Catholics.... But the
Muslims? They will insist that they are the true religion. So
will the protestants who fill cups with more flavors than anyone
can count, and then there are the various cults of mormons,
JW's, universalists, gnostics, peaceniks and priests of the
green movement.
Oh and Hindus, Buddhists, Spiritualists of all kinds- such as
native indians, african tribes or primal indigenous people of
all kinds.
You must know that you can find both fine, and horrible folks
among any and all groups.... why? Because they are people and
there are fine and horrible people everywhere within, or without
religion. And there are people who are fine at times, and
horrible at other times. Isn't it so of everyone you know?
Including you and me?
Honestly. Do you think the cup you drink from is the very best
flavor? Do you insist that it must be? Do you insist that
others must come and taste and see? That they are condemned if
they do not?
Isn't that a little presumptuous?
[/quote]So true, yet there is but one doctrine. Jesus Christ and
Him crucified, buried and resurrected for the forgiveness of our
sins. I do not force my theology on anyone and I can certainly
be wrong about many things in the Bible. Who am I to judge
another's heart? Although, Galatians 1:8-9 is in full effect
it's not my place to scorn someone for thinking differently than
me. I don't hate or condemn but rather, I persuade people.
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Re: Religion- something for everyone
By: guest125 Date: March 25, 2020, 6:01 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=849.msg11315#msg11315
date=1585175418]
[/quote]So true, yet there is but one doctrine. Jesus Christ and
Him crucified, buried and resurrected for the forgiveness of our
sins. I do not force my theology on anyone and I can certainly
be wrong about many things in the Bible. Who am I to judge
another's heart? Although, Galatians 1:8-9 is in full effect
it's not my place to scorn someone for thinking differently than
me. I don't hate or condemn but rather, I persuade people.
[/quote]
You said it all right there... that a man would see his flesh
put his to death and buried, be forgiven and rise again.
Yet there is not one doctrine, there are many. The Way of Jesus
can be found from many divergent paths.
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Re: Religion- something for everyone
By: guest58 Date: March 25, 2020, 7:39 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=849.msg11316#msg11316
date=1585177300][font=verdana]Yet there is not one doctrine,
there are many. The Way of Jesus can be found from many
divergent paths. [/font][/quote]
Sure but...
The JWs non-divine Jesus is not the Way.
The Mormon earthly but elevated to divine status Jesus is not
the Way.
The Buddhist "we are all divine" divine Jesus is not the way.
The Calvinist Jesus who created some of us just to end in hell
is not the way.
The Armenian Jesus who calls for the gates of hell to shut upon
those who can be saved but who have not yet decided to accept
HIS salvation is not the way.
<BIG sigh> <double facepalm>
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Re: Religion- something for everyone
By: guest125 Date: March 25, 2020, 8:39 pm
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[quote author=Ted T. link=topic=849.msg11317#msg11317
date=1585183161]
[quote author=Mr E link=topic=849.msg11316#msg11316
date=1585177300][font=verdana]Yet there is not one doctrine,
there are many. The Way of Jesus can be found from many
divergent paths. [/font][/quote]
Sure but...
The JWs non-divine Jesus is not the Way.
The Mormon earthly but elevated to divine status Jesus is not
the Way.
The Buddhist "we are all divine" divine Jesus is not the way.
The Calvinist Jesus who created some of us just to end in hell
is not the way.
The Armenian Jesus who calls for the gates of hell to shut upon
those who can be saved but who have not yet decided to accept
HIS salvation is not the way.
<BIG sigh> <double facepalm>
[/quote]
I said many paths. Not all paths.
Your Jesus, right?
Did Adam and Eve have your Jesus? Or Noah? Did Abraham have
your Jesus?
Did Moses have your Jesus?
So they came by another path, did they not? Or did you condemn
them to hell with all the others you wouldn't admit?
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Re: Religion- something for everyone
By: patrick jane Date: March 25, 2020, 8:58 pm
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Mister Mister, I think the prophets knew of a Saviour as they
were told in many different ways, some were mysteries. I believe
Isaiah knew Christ for instance.
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Re: Religion- something for everyone
By: guest125 Date: March 25, 2020, 10:37 pm
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The Christ, yes.
But if you were to conduct a survey of religious adherents of
all different stripes as mentioned in the OP, of those that
follow Jesus-- they will all tell you that Jesus is the only
way. Jesus. They might say Jesus Christ, but they will insist
that only Jesus saves and that Jesus died for them to save them,
so it must be retroactive, right?
As another example-- John the Baptist. He died before Jesus was
crucified, so he was retroactively saved by the death and
sacrifice of Jesus?
Is that how it must work?
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Re: Religion- something for everyone
By: guest125 Date: March 26, 2020, 5:37 pm
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It proposes a problem for some folks, to phrase it this way.
On one hand-- if you were to say that ONLY by Jesus Christ is
one saved, then you have stuck yourself in a bit of a corner.
You would have to insist that people like Abraham, Moses, and
John the Baptist and others like them who preceded the time of
the crucifixion were either- not saved by the blood of Christ,
or that the blood of Christ somehow applies to even those who
lived and sinned and died before the time of Jesus.
And if the blood applies to those who never knew him or the good
news, then surely it also applies (is available) to other people
who have never even heard the gospel or had an opportunity to
repent.
It's an interesting conundrum. Except it isn't. It's obvious
that Jesus is the Way-- in that it is through the Christ that is
the example and it is clear that the Christ is not limited to
space and time and our understanding of this work.
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Re: Religion- something for everyone
By: patrick jane Date: March 26, 2020, 5:48 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=849.msg11342#msg11342
date=1585262253]
It proposes a problem for some folks, to phrase it this way.
On one hand-- if you were to say that ONLY by Jesus Christ is
one saved, then you have stuck yourself in a bit of a corner.
You would have to insist that people like Abraham, Moses, and
John the Baptist and others like them who preceded the time of
the crucifixion were either- not saved by the blood of Christ,
or that the blood of Christ somehow applies to even those who
lived and sinned and died before the time of Jesus.
And if the blood applies to those who never knew him or the good
news, then surely it also applies (is available) to other people
who have never even heard the gospel or had an opportunity to
repent.
It's an interesting conundrum. Except it isn't. It's obvious
that Jesus is the Way-- in that it is through the Christ that is
the example and it is clear that the Christ is not limited to
space and time and our understanding of this work.
[/quote]Wrong. People have always been saved by grace through
faith just as we are now. That is why there is a New Testament,
because of the birth and life of Jesus, the Messiah, the
Anointed One, the Saviour. Jesus was sent by His Father for the
Jews only. God knew they would reject Him and murder him and now
the Gentiles are grafted in. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth
and the life and there is no other way.
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