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#Post#: 11707--------------------------------------------------
Re: The kingdom of heaven
By: guest125 Date: April 9, 2020, 8:13 pm
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I'm sorry Mark-- I just saw this now....
That's a big question. You might think this strange, but I have
almost no memories of my childhood. So very little. I remember
a few people- a friend I shared a name with and the lunch his
mom made for us once. The bread was fresh and she spread real
butter on it then stacked it high with what seemed like a whole
package of that thin-sliced lunch meat. And she brought two
little plates for us like this with the sandwiches and on the
side she had set a handful of potato chips and a pickle... and
she brought these down from the kitchen to the two of us who
were laying on the floor with blankets watching Monty Python and
the holy grail. That was heaven from my childhood. And I
didn't have a care in the world.
The image of it in my mind is based on places I have been and
experiences I have had and in spirit these are the concepts that
are expressed to me that my mind can associate with what people
would call heaven. It's nothing far off or beyond, rather it is
a place set apart- where nothing prevails upon it. If I could
take you along to swim with me in the warm waters of the
Bahamas, or sip a beer with you on my porch, or stand atop a
mountain with you in the chill of a sunny winter day- it's all
the same. I see the Father. His creation. His goodness. And
even in the cold I feel his warmth for it comes from within. I
feel His pleasure because His face shines upon me... and this is
heaven-- to be with Him, to feel His goodness and to please Him.
The hoary frost... this is the story of a man. The story of
man. And Job is tested as all men will be tested and he is
humbled as all men are humbled and in his quest for
understanding he asks many questions of God- and the Father sets
him down at some point and says- again, as He does with all---
You think you know? You think you understand? You think I have
some kind of obligation to explain myself or everything or
anything to you? How about you explain it to me?
And as a Father would speak to his presumptuous offspring only
then does Job understand what he never understood before-- the
ineffable things that proclaim the nature and spectrum of God
that we can't begin to comprehend apart from whatever
understanding He gives to us. And this realization brings Job to
repentance.
Conceptually water is spirit and frozen water- ice, or hail, or
this hoary frost relates to water at rest or what Jesus called
those asleep. Like Lazarus or others he raised from the dead,
there is a place of waiting and rest for those who will be
awakened. Resurrection to rain once again upon the earth.
I work a lot with bone grafting. The bone graft is 'harvested'
from folks who have just died and they remove cell-rich bone
material from these donors in a very timely manner after death.
These are usual young, otherwise healthy donors, for example
victims of motorcycle accidents and such. The cellular material
is cryo-preserved as a bone matrix and stored in a frozen medium
that preserves and protects the stem-cells without damage for
years. The containers are frozen in liquid state Nitrogen (-196
C) where all cellular activity (cell degradation or death) would
occur. It could stay there indefinitely, but when needed it is
transported to the hospital where we thaw it and then implant it
to fill voids, heal or fuse bones together and when thawed and
implanted into an environment (a patient) with an ample blood
supply- those cells come back to life.
Interesting eh?
#Post#: 12898--------------------------------------------------
Re: The kingdom of heaven
By: guest73 Date: May 12, 2020, 12:45 am
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Mr E tell us more about the Kingdom Of Heaven
#Post#: 12906--------------------------------------------------
Re: The kingdom of heaven
By: guest125 Date: May 12, 2020, 2:12 pm
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All I can offer you is broken bread. You can decide if you want
to eat it, or not.
People often think of heaven as far off, but that isn't how the
Christ described it. He taught us to pray to 'our' Father--
ours and his, one and the same. Ever thought of it like that?
Have you ever believed it like that?
And he taught us to pray to this mutual Father of ours--- 'Thy
kingdom (the Kingdom of Heaven) come.'
Thy will be done.... On the earth, as (thy will is done also) in
heaven.
"Heaven" or the kingdom of heaven is not a physical place, but
spiritual. It should be thought of as a place 'within us.'
Yet, the place within us can be perceived. Do you know how?
You cannot fully perceive of that which is within by looking at
the outward appearance, but you can conceive of the idea that a
container is made for a purpose.
"He Himself knew what was in man." (John 2)
So rather than telling you about the kingdom of heaven- let me
ask you about it. What do you perceive of heaven by looking
within yourself?
If someone was sent to us on a mission to express what it is
like, to what could they compare it to offer even a glimpse?
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Re: The kingdom of heaven
By: guest8 Date: May 12, 2020, 6:44 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=783.msg12906#msg12906
date=1589310769]
All I can offer you is broken bread. You can decide if you want
to eat it, or not.
People often think of heaven as far off, but that isn't how the
Christ described it. He taught us to pray to 'our' Father--
ours and his, one and the same. Ever thought of it like that?
Have you ever believed it like that?
And he taught us to pray to this mutual Father of ours--- 'Thy
kingdom (the Kingdom of Heaven) come.'
Thy will be done.... On the earth, as (thy will is done also) in
heaven.
"Heaven" or the kingdom of heaven is not a physical place, but
spiritual. It should be thought of as a place 'within us.'
Yet, the place within us can be perceived. Do you know how?
You cannot fully perceive of that which is within by looking at
the outward appearance, but you can conceive of the idea that a
container is made for a purpose.
"He Himself knew what was in man." (John 2)
So rather than telling you about the kingdom of heaven- let me
ask you about it. What do you perceive of heaven by looking
within yourself?
If someone was sent to us on a mission to express what it is
like, to what could they compare it to offer even a glimpse?
HTML https://youtu.be/5Gvrp20_WXM
[/quote]
so all in all, everything is spiritual and we are what we are
today and that is all there is,.?
Is this what you are saying..?????.
Blade
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Re: The kingdom of heaven
By: guest125 Date: May 12, 2020, 8:20 pm
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If I'd said that, you wouldn't have to ask if I'd said that.
#Post#: 12911--------------------------------------------------
Re: The kingdom of heaven
By: patrick jane Date: May 12, 2020, 8:40 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=783.msg12906#msg12906
date=1589310769]
All I can offer you is broken bread. You can decide if you want
to eat it, or not.
People often think of heaven as far off, but that isn't how the
Christ described it. He taught us to pray to 'our' Father--
ours and his, one and the same. Ever thought of it like that?
Have you ever believed it like that?
And he taught us to pray to this mutual Father of ours--- 'Thy
kingdom (the Kingdom of Heaven) come.'
Thy will be done.... On the earth, as (thy will is done also) in
heaven.
"Heaven" or the kingdom of heaven is not a physical place, but
spiritual. It should be thought of as a place 'within us.'
Yet, the place within us can be perceived. Do you know how?
You cannot fully perceive of that which is within by looking at
the outward appearance, but you can conceive of the idea that a
container is made for a purpose.
"He Himself knew what was in man." (John 2)
So rather than telling you about the kingdom of heaven- let me
ask you about it. What do you perceive of heaven by looking
within yourself?
If someone was sent to us on a mission to express what it is
like, to what could they compare it to offer even a glimpse?
HTML https://youtu.be/5Gvrp20_WXM
[/quote]Thank you. I believe heaven is pure love where the
feeling of love and peace is infinite or complete. We all yearn
to see our family and friends again in heaven. I feel like we
will know all things that God reveals and we will all know each
other. Yes, I want to worship God and sing and praise Him but I
want my earthly loved ones to be with me.
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Re: The kingdom of heaven
By: guest125 Date: May 12, 2020, 9:10 pm
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It's not exactly like that.
Beyond the door there's peace I'm sure
And I know there'll be no more tears in heaven
Neither married or given in marriage.
While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and
brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told
him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to
speak to you.”
He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”
Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my
brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is
my brother and sister and mother.”
The man of a thousand faces
Sits down at the table
Eats a small lump of sugar
And smiles at the moon like he knows her
And begins his quiet ascension
Without anyone's sturdy instruction
To a place of no religion
Has found a path to our alikeness
His words are quiet like stains are
On a table cloth washed in a river
Stains that are trying to cover, for each other
Or at least blend in with the pattern
Good is better than perfect
Scrub til your fingers are bleeding
And I'm crying for things that I tell others to do without
crying
He used to go to his favorite bookstores
And rip out his favorite pages
And stuff them into his breast pocket
And the moon to him was a stranger
Now he sits down at the table
Right next to the window
And begins his quiet ascension
Without anyone's sturdy instruction
To a place of no religion
Has found a path to our alikeness
And eats a small lump of sugar
And smiles at the moon like he knows her
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Re: The kingdom of heaven
By: guest8 Date: May 13, 2020, 11:46 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=783.msg12912#msg12912
date=1589335807]
It's not exactly like that.
Beyond the door there's peace I'm sure
And I know there'll be no more tears in heaven
Neither married or given in marriage.
While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and
brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told
him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to
speak to you.”
He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”
Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my
brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is
my brother and sister and mother.”
The man of a thousand faces
Sits down at the table
Eats a small lump of sugar
And smiles at the moon like he knows her
And begins his quiet ascension
Without anyone's sturdy instruction
To a place of no religion
Has found a path to our alikeness
His words are quiet like stains are
On a table cloth washed in a river
Stains that are trying to cover, for each other
Or at least blend in with the pattern
Good is better than perfect
Scrub til your fingers are bleeding
And I'm crying for things that I tell others to do without
crying
He used to go to his favorite bookstores
And rip out his favorite pages
And stuff them into his breast pocket
And the moon to him was a stranger
Now he sits down at the table
Right next to the window
And begins his quiet ascension
Without anyone's sturdy instruction
To a place of no religion
Has found a path to our alikeness
And eats a small lump of sugar
And smiles at the moon like he knows her
HTML https://youtu.be/80U5YdGrt9g
[/quote]
“Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his
disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For
whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and
sister and mother.”[/i]
Please list chapter and verse for this?
Blade
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Re: The kingdom of heaven
By: guest125 Date: May 14, 2020, 12:54 pm
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Here you go....
HTML https://lmgtfy.com/?q=who+are+my+mother+and+brothers+and+sisters
#Post#: 13028--------------------------------------------------
Re: The kingdom of heaven
By: guest116 Date: May 17, 2020, 1:12 am
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When I got my invitation to join this site by Patrick I admit I
was confused. Patrick and I had disagreed more than agreed on
things in Theology Forum. We always had calm and intellectual
disagreements and respected each other differences though, and
that is very important to me.
It is threads like this one presently that makes me glad I came
to this site and I thank him for the invite.
I would like to add more to the discussion in this thread but I
think everything has been said I would have said.
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