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Greek In Romans 11: 26
By: bernardpyron Date: February 13, 2020, 4:03 pm
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On the Greek Word Houtós In Romans 11: 26
In Romans Chapter 11, the Greek words at the beginning of Romans
11: 26, και ουτως
πας ισραηλ
σωθησεταικ^
5;ι
can be looked at carefully. The King James translation says "And
so all Israel shall be saved"...." But what does
ουτως mean? See:
HTML https://biblehub.com/greek/3779.htm
"3779. houtó and houtós,
Definition: in this way, thus, so, in this manner, like this . .
.; in this manner, in this way (fashion), in accordance with
this description (i.e. corresponding to what follows); in
keeping with; along this line, in the manner spoken."..
In the beginning of Romans 11: 26 Paul is referring back to
something he wrote previous to Romans 11: 26. Here are the
points Paul made in Romans 11, prior to verse 26::
1-5. The Remnant of Israel (Old Covenant Israel) becomes the
beginning of the "Good Olive Tree" "according to the election of
grace"..
7-10. Israel has not obtained that which he seeketh for, but the
election hath obtained it...bur rather through their fall
salvation is come upon the Gentiles, ,
15-24, , some of the branches are broken off, but thou, the
Gentiles, are grafted into the Good Olive Tree, implying that
unbelieving Israel is broken off and believing Gentiles are
grafted in...
.25 Blindness has happened to a part of Israel....
These four points that Paul makes in Romans 11 before verse 26
are at least a part of what he is referring back to in the
beginning of Romans 11: 26, using the word houtós, in this way.
But even without the word houtós at the start of Romans 11: 26
common logic would require that what Paul says in Romans 11
before Romans 11: 26 has to be used in interpreting the meaning
of Romans 11: 26. Paul also makes statements in Romans 9 and 10
which are relevant to the meaning of Romans 11: 26, especially
verses 6-8 of Romans 9, and verse 12 in Romans 10.
However, the New International Version translated these first
words in Romans 11: 26 as "and in this way all Israel will be
saved. " The Holman Christian Standard Bible also says for
Romans 11: 26 " And in this way all Israel will be saved," The
ESV or English Standard Version says "And in this way all Israel
will be saved,"
I suspect that the old English translations, the Tyndale
Translation, the Geneva Bible, like the King James Version, do
not have "And in this way" at the beginning of Romans 11: 26.
The Tyndale New Testament says for Romans 11: 26, "and so all
Israel shal be saved. "
The Geneva Bible for Romans 11: 26 has "And so all Israel shall
be saved"
And the King James Version has the identical same translation of
the first words of Romans 11: 26 as do the Tyndale and Geneva
Bibles, which came before it, "And so all Israel shall be
saved."
But this does not necessarily mean that the King James Version
is not just as accurate and is sometimes more accurate in its
translation of the Greek Textus Receptus texts compared to the
three modern translations cited above, which have ""And in this
way" at the start of Romans 11: 26
#Post#: 10247--------------------------------------------------
Re: On the Greek Word Houtós In Romans 11: 26
By: guest8 Date: February 13, 2020, 4:58 pm
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[quote author=bernardpyron link=topic=771.msg10246#msg10246
date=1581631403]
On the Greek Word Houtós In Romans 11: 26
In Romans Chapter 11, the Greek words at the beginning of Romans
11: 26, και ουτως
πας ισραηλ
σωθησεταικ^
5;ι
can be looked at carefully. The King James translation says "And
so all Israel shall be saved"...." But what does
ουτως mean? See:
HTML https://biblehub.com/greek/3779.htm
"3779. houtó and houtós,
Definition: in this way, thus, so, in this manner, like this . .
.; in this manner, in this way (fashion), in accordance with
this description (i.e. corresponding to what follows); in
keeping with; along this line, in the manner spoken."..
In the beginning of Romans 11: 26 Paul is referring back to
something he wrote previous to Romans 11: 26. Here are the
points Paul made in Romans 11, prior to verse 26::
1-5. The Remnant of Israel (Old Covenant Israel) becomes the
beginning of the "Good Olive Tree" "according to the election of
grace"..
7-10. Israel has not obtained that which he seeketh for, but the
election hath obtained it...bur rather through their fall
salvation is come upon the Gentiles, ,
15-24, , some of the branches are broken off, but thou, the
Gentiles, are grafted into the Good Olive Tree, implying that
unbelieving Israel is broken off and believing Gentiles are
grafted in...
.25 Blindness has happened to a part of Israel....
These four points that Paul makes in Romans 11 before verse 26
are at least a part of what he is referring back to in the
beginning of Romans 11: 26, using the word houtós, in this way.
But even without the word houtós at the start of Romans 11: 26
common logic would require that what Paul says in Romans 11
before Romans 11: 26 has to be used in interpreting the meaning
of Romans 11: 26. Paul also makes statements in Romans 9 and 10
which are relevant to the meaning of Romans 11: 26, especially
verses 6-8 of Romans 9, and verse 12 in Romans 10.
However, the New International Version translated these first
words in Romans 11: 26 as "and in this way all Israel will be
saved. " The Holman Christian Standard Bible also says for
Romans 11: 26 " And in this way all Israel will be saved," The
ESV or English Standard Version says "And in this way all Israel
will be saved,"
I suspect that the old English translations, the Tyndale
Translation, the Geneva Bible, like the King James Version, do
not have "And in this way" at the beginning of Romans 11: 26.
The Tyndale New Testament says for Romans 11: 26, "and so all
Israel shal be saved. "
The Geneva Bible for Romans 11: 26 has "And so all Israel shall
be saved"
And the King James Version has the identical same translation of
the first words of Romans 11: 26 as do the Tyndale and Geneva
Bibles, which came before it, "And so all Israel shall be
saved."
But this does not necessarily mean that the King James Version
is not just as accurate and is sometimes more accurate in its
translation of the Greek Textus Receptus texts compared to the
three modern translations cited above, which have ""And in this
way" at the start of Romans 11: 26
[/quote]
You speak of 'οὕτω' yet do not tell us what
it is..... 'οὕτω' usually always appeared
before a consonant and 'οὕτως' usually
appeared before a vowel....In the bible (KJV) "SO" is used 164
times...
The KJV translates Strong's G3779 in the following manner: so
(164x), thus (17x), even so (9x), on this wise (6x), likewise
(4x), after this manner (3x), miscellaneous (10x).
hoútō, hoo' is the transliteration of the Greek word
οὕτω
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
οὕτω hoútō, hoo'-to; adverb from
G3778; in this way (referring to what precedes or
follows):—after that, after (in) this manner, as, even (so), for
all that, like(-wise), no more, on this fashion(-wise), so (in
like manner), thus, what.
The Remnant of Israel is yet to happen.l.Right now there are
around 6-7 million Jews in Israel and around 7-8 million Jews
around the world. There is to be a great gathering of the Jews
to a peaceful Israel in the future fore Israel has not been nor
are they now in a peaceful setting...
The remnant will be only 1/3 of the total population at the time
of Daniel's 70th week. At the Half way point, The "GREAT
TRIBULATION" as Jesus spoke of in Mat 24 will become reality.
Satan will finally be thrown out of Heaven along with 1/3 of the
angels that follow him during this time. The antichrist will
have die with a would to the right hand and the head. Satan
appears to take over his body, thus he seems to be raised from
the dead. \
In Isaiah 28:14-18, we find out what God is going to let happen
to the unbelievers of Israel. Satan/antichrist (son of
perdition) will overrun Jerusalem killing every Jew they can
find.
As we see in Rev. 12, the believers in Judiah flee to the
mountains to the south (jordan) at Petra where God/Jesus will
feed/ water and protect them or 3.5 years until the Millennium
begins.
These are the REMNANT OF ISRAEL, (all of Israel) as Paul speaks
on in Romans 11:26..
Blade
#Post#: 10261--------------------------------------------------
Re: On the Greek Word Houtós In Romans 11: 26
By: bernardpyron Date: February 14, 2020, 11:21 am
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But even without the word houtós at the start of Romans 11: 26
common logic would require that what Paul says in Romans 11
before Romans 11: 26 has to be used in interpreting the meaning
of Romans 11: 26. Paul also makes statements in Romans 9 and 10
which are relevant to the meaning of Romans 11: 26, especially
verses 6-8 of Romans 9, and verse 12 in Romans 10.
Also, Paul uses the metaphor of the olive tree in Romans 11, and
writes about the good olive tree in Romans 11: 24. He does not
say in an explicit way in Romans 11: 15-24 that all who are in
the Good Olive Tree - Elect Jews and Believing Gentiles grafted
in - can be considered as Israel of the New Covenant. But the
unity between believing Jews and believing Gentiles which Paul
affirms in Ephesians 2: 12-22, in Galatians 3: 26-29, and Romans
10: 12 would support such a doctrine. There is a disagreement
between dispensationalists and followers of Reformation
Theology, including Calvinists, on whether Paul in Galatians
15-16 is teaching that the "new creature" there is in effect
elect Jews and elect Gentiles joined together in what he calls
the "Israel of God."
Dispensationalism starts from the peculiar postulate that
"Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an
eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne so
that in eternity, '...never the twain, Israel and church, shall
meet." Lewis S. Chafer
The two peoples, two programs postulate of dispensationalism is
not in New Testament scripture.
John Calvin says of Romans 11: 26 that "Paul intended here to
set forth the completion of the kingdom of Christ, which is by
no means to be confined to the Jews, but is to include the whole
world. The same manner of speaking we find in Galatians 6:16.
The Israel of God is what he calls the Church, gathered alike
from Jews and Gentiles; and he sets the people, thus collected
from their dispersion, in opposition to the carnal children of
Abraham, who had departed from his faith. "
#Post#: 10267--------------------------------------------------
Re: On the Greek Word Houtós In Romans 11: 26
By: guest8 Date: February 14, 2020, 7:25 pm
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[quote author=bernardpyron link=topic=771.msg10261#msg10261
date=1581700884]
But even without the word houtós at the start of Romans 11: 26
common logic would require that what Paul says in Romans 11
before Romans 11: 26 has to be used in interpreting the meaning
of Romans 11: 26. Paul also makes statements in Romans 9 and 10
which are relevant to the meaning of Romans 11: 26, especially
verses 6-8 of Romans 9, and verse 12 in Romans 10.
Also, Paul uses the metaphor of the olive tree in Romans 11, and
writes about the good olive tree in Romans 11: 24. He does not
say in an explicit way in Romans 11: 15-24 that all who are in
the Good Olive Tree - Elect Jews and Believing Gentiles grafted
in - can be considered as Israel of the New Covenant. But the
unity between believing Jews and believing Gentiles which Paul
affirms in Ephesians 2: 12-22, in Galatians 3: 26-29, and Romans
10: 12 would support such a doctrine. There is a disagreement
between dispensationalists and followers of Reformation
Theology, including Calvinists, on whether Paul in Galatians
15-16 is teaching that the "new creature" there is in effect
elect Jews and elect Gentiles joined together in what he calls
the "Israel of God."
Dispensationalism stats from the peculiar postulate that "Israel
is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal
kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne so that in
eternity, '...never the twain, Israel and church, shall meet."
Lewis S. Chafer
The two peoples, two programs postulate of dispensationalism is
not in New Testament scripture.
John Calvin says of Romans 11: 26 that "Paul intended here to
set forth the completion of the kingdom of Christ, which is by
no means to be confined to the Jews, but is to include the whole
world. The same manner of speaking we find in Galatians 6:16.
The Israel of God is what he calls the Church, gathered alike
from Jews and Gentiles; and he sets the people, thus collected
from their dispersion, in opposition to the carnal children of
Abraham, who had departed from his faith. "
[/quote]
Israel of GOD means the Jewish Believers in Jesus. Yes, they are
part of the Church (body of Christ) as any Gentile is if they
are believers in Jesus.
Blade
#Post#: 16768--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greek In Romans 11: 26
By: patrick jane Date: August 28, 2020, 3:26 pm
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Again?
#Post#: 19785--------------------------------------------------
Re: Greek In Romans 11: 26
By: patrick jane Date: October 29, 2020, 1:39 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=771.msg16768#msg16768
date=1598646366]
Again?
[/quote] :(
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