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Date: October 5, 2020, 11:47 am
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Christians Call for Prayer After Trump Tests Positive for
COVID-19
Leaders urge Americans to “put aside partisan politics” and pray
in the spirit of 1 Timothy 2.
Instructed in Scripture to pray for “all those in authority,”
Christians offered their prayers for President Donald Trump
after he shared on Twitter late Thursday night that he and First
Lady Melania Trump had tested positive for coronavirus.
Many pastors and ministry leaders encouraged Americans that this
was a time to pray for the president and the country regardless
of political stances.
Trump’s coronavirus infection comes a month before the election
and following a busy campaign week that included multiple
out-of-state events and the first presidential debate.
Twitter petitioners included pastor and evangelist Greg Laurie
of Harvest Christian Fellowship in California. Laurie has
previously prayed with the president in the White House and has
spoken up about the need for the church to “respond
appropriately” to the threat of the coronavirus.
Eugene Cho, a former Seattle pastor who now leads the Christian
advocacy organization Bread for the World, asked Twitter
followers to “put aside partisan politics and genuinely lift up
the President and FLOTUS in prayer.”
Greg Laurie
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@greglaurie
Let’s all be praying for God’s intervention and healing for our
President and First Lady!
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Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
Tonight, @FLOTUS and I tested positive for COVID-19. We will
begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately. We will
get through this TOGETHER!
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Eugene Cho
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@EugeneCho
May we put aside partisan politics and genuinely lift up the
President and FLOTUS in prayer. Pray that many might be
compelled to take this pandemic more seriously. May we also lift
up so many in our nation and world that have been impacted by
the pandemic. Lord, in your mercy.
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Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
Tonight, @FLOTUS and I tested positive for COVID-19. We will
begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately. We will
get through this TOGETHER!
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In their messages on Thursday night, some Christian leaders—like
Joe Carter of The Gospel Coalition and McLean Bible Church,
outside Washington—quoted from 1 Timothy 2:1–4: “I urge, then,
first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and
thanksgiving be made for all people—for kings and all those in
authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all
godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our
Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a
knowledge of the truth.”
The passage has long inspired Christians to pray regularly for
the president, regardless of who is in office, and has trended
online on landmark dates during Trump’s presidency.
Joe Carter
@joecarter
As Paul wrote, “[I] urge that supplications, prayers,
intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for
kings and all who are in high positions...” (1 Timothy 2:1-2).
Please pray for President Trump, the First Lady, and all people
who are suffering because of COVID-19.
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Joel C. Rosenberg
@JoelCRosenberg
The Bible commands believers to “pray for kings and all those in
authority” — I join millions of Evangelicals in praying for
President @realDonaldTrump and for the First Lady for the Lord
to quickly heal them and protect them from harm. Praying for all
our leaders today, as well.
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Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
Tonight, @FLOTUS and I tested positive for COVID-19. We will
begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately. We will
get through this TOGETHER!
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As CT previously reported, searches for 1 Timothy 2:2 reached 10
times the average on the day after the 2016 presidential
election, according to the popular Bible site Bible Gateway, and
increased again around the inauguration the following January,
according to Google Trends. It was the theme for a 2019 day of
prayer for Trump organized by Franklin Graham.
Ronnie Floyd, president and CEO of the Southern Baptist
Convention Executive Committee and president of the National Day
of Prayer task force, told CT last year, “As a pastor of
Southern Baptist churches for more than 40 years, I do not
recall a time when there wasn’t prayer for our nation, our
president, and our elected leaders during our Sunday services,
regardless of which party was in power. Why? We are instructed
in 1 Timothy 2 to pray for those in authority.”
Many of those who pray regularly for the president pray not only
for his leadership and policies but also specifically for his
health. At a recent Evangelicals for Trump rally, supporters
brought up how they have prayed more urgently for the
president’s protection as the election nears.
Tony Suarez
@revtonysuarez
Mr. President, @POTUS
I know a name greater than covid, corona, or sars, it’s the name
of Jesus and I pray healing in that wonderful name over you and
the first lady. Rest and get well sir. See you back on the
campaign trail soon.
Blessings and continued prayers!
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Dwight McKissic
@pastordmack
Praying that the God of heaven would grant President Trump and
First Lady Melania Trump, a merciful, marvelous and miraculous
healing from the Corona virus. May The Lord deliver our nation &
the world from this dreaded disease, as we seek God’s face, &
turn to Him in humility.
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Another line from Scripture referenced in tweets on Trump’s
behalf was 2 Chronicles 7:14: “If my people, who are called by
my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and
turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I
will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”
Despite the politicization around the coronavirus response,
white evangelicals are as worried about the spread of COVID-19
as the rest of the population (70 percent say they remain
concerned) and as likely to know someone infected with the
disease, according to a Data for Progress survey.
Back in March, CT shared 20 prayers to pray during the pandemic,
asking God to heal and help the sick, protect vulnerable
populations, and more.
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Is The Coronavirus Evidence of a Creation in Freefall?
How does theology explain a pandemic? Basic biology, human sin,
or the Devil?
When I first asked whether the coronavirus is evil, the virus
was still novel and the panic not quite a pandemic. But as I
type now, almost 1.5 million people have died worldwide and the
virus proliferates relentlessly, a conflagration with plenty of
wood yet to burn as we await a vaccine and its dissemination.
What may have seemed to be a controllable fire in the beginning
now rages nearly out of control in the United States, India,
Brazil, Europe, and elsewhere. Viewing the virus as part of
God’s “good creation” presses against our theological
sensibilities. Is the coronavirus evil? How can it not be?
“COVID-19 pandemic has wide implications for what Christians
mean by the goodness of creation,” wrote theologian Hans
Madueme, who leveraged my “hornet’s nest” of a query for an
online symposium. As this array of brilliant respondents has
written, a virus, no matter how destructive, cannot carry the
moral equivalence of human willfulness. But the mere lack of
moral willfulness does not make it good.
Viruses are not free agents, but I still wonder about a kind of
created freedom in the nature of things—akin to what we know
about uncertainty in the quantum realm undergirding the reality
we experience. Inasmuch as humans are made from the dust in
God’s image (Gen. 2:7), there exists a continuity between
Creator, creation, and creature. The free will of God manifests
in the moral choices humans make, and is reflected, perhaps, in
what we perceive as the random nature of nature.
John Stackhouse labels the virus “a pestilence with no place in
the messianic kingdom to come.” Katherine Sonderegger aptly
narrated the dreadful landscape wrought by this microscopic
legion, a link to Mark 5:9 and to the tyranny of Satan
persuasively argued by Gregory Boyd, a virus victim himself. The
New Testament easily attributes viral pestilence to the Devil’s
work, though God can use it for his own glory. Whether or not we
believe this is what we’re witnessing with the pandemic depends
on our theology.
As Jim Stump asserted, “science doesn’t get to answer
theological questions, but it can certainly prompt us to
reconsider whether we’ve done our theology well.” Science
prompted me as a pastor to rethink certain aspects of my
theology. As Christians, “we walk by faith, not by sight” (2
Cor. 5:7), which means there’s more to reality than what we see.
But it doesn’t mean we ignore what we can see. Faith is not
fantasy. If theology is going to matter, it too must correspond
with the way things are rather than with the way we believers
want things to be.
I’ve never been fully satisfied by the delineation of labor
between science explaining the how and theology the why. As
creator of all things, God authored all that science discovers.
We know death and viruses preceded humanity’s appearance on
earth, and both play an essential part in biological evolution.
“A bad thing might be a good thing,” as Stackhouse reminds.
Conversely, a good thing can become a bad thing too, as
Sonderegger allows with her mention of privatio boni (the
absence of good). I wrote a follow-up editorial in praise of St.
Augustine’s reasoning of evil as essentially nothing, a basic
nonentity with wholly derivative power. Like a virus, evil
extracts its life from the goodness it perverts. Thus evil often
gets spoken in terms of what it is not: injustice or iniquity or
ingratitude, disorder, disobedience, faith lessness, law
lessness, god lessness, and the rest.
By laying the pandemic at Satan’s feet, Boyd asserts that to
“take the New Testament’s perspective seriously” is to regard
creation as “corrupted at some point by an enemy, to one degree
or another.” As for how Satan becomes the Devil, science can’t
help us. Tradition surmises he mutated through free will of his
own. Theology grants moral agency on Satan’s part, a fallen
angel before the fall who then provoked the fall of humans.
Stackhouse notes the slithering serpent in Eden (and talking, no
less, Gen. 3:1) as evidence of evil’s pre-Fall intrusion.
Nevertheless, why allow an angel to become a demon? And why
allow a snake in Eden’s grass—not to mention physical death and
mosquitoes and the biological necessity of bacteria and viruses?
The best I have to affirm remains the free will defense, the
logic of love. God so loves the world that he sent his Son to
save it (John 3:16), but love can’t be coerced and also be love.
Thus God, of his own eternal free will, purposely factors free
will into the system for love’s sake and for genuine
relationship with people made in his image. Allowing freedom to
love means freedom to reject love. Extrapolate this logic to
nature as a whole and you have what some see as a hint behind
the why of random uncertainty.
Granted, God doesn’t desire a personal relationship with
creation the way that he does with people, but the Creator’s
relational nature still shows up in the symbiosis of nature. The
freedom we experience as humans made from the dust corresponds
to the free process wired into dust itself. But just as the free
will of people (and angels) can reject God’s love—and do wrong
and commit evil—so the free process of creation results in
mosquitoes and the diseases they carry—not to mention genetic
deformities, hurricanes, and earthquakes, all outcomes of a
creation free to evolve and become what it becomes.
To the extent that such explanations remain unsatisfactory, I
remind us that theological conjecture at its best remains a
sinners’ endeavor. Moreover, as Gerald Bray rightly adds, “God
is under no obligation to explain himself to us.” We debate “the
problem of evil,” which isn’t really a problem if by problem we
mean a puzzle to be rationally solved. Among the factors making
evil so evil is its defiance of logic. Even if you blame the
Devil, how do you determine what made the Devil decide to become
the Devil? Adam and Eve, created as good, had no good reason for
choosing badly. They just did it. We do it too. By choosing
wrongly, we prove free will exists, but the tyranny of evil is
that as soon as we choose it, we are no longer free. As the
apostle Paul made clear in Romans 7, our choices set boundaries,
and our unavoidably bad choices set inescapably tight boundaries
that affect our futures not only in finite time and space but
for eternity too. Our freedom constrains to such a severe extent
that Paul could only speak of it in terms of enslavement.
Whether due to the wiles of the Devil, the randomness of a very
good creation not yet fully free, or the mysterious providence
of God, this coronavirus pandemic threatens, constrains, and
destroys. It also eventually ends. Immunity and vaccines will
take hold. The God who loves us gives us agency and creativity
to overcome. But no human-generated immunity or vaccination
exists against evil. Sin infects our souls over and over again.
That the Son of God had to die to deliver us from evil attests
to its truly hideous and destructive nature. Our only hope,
thank God, is through Jesus Christ (Rom. 7:25), who starves evil
of its power with his own sinless life. “God made him who had no
sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the
righteousness of God” (2 Cor. 5:21). Into this glory, creation
groans for its own redemption (Romans 8:21) and one day will
have it.
This piece, adapted, was originally published in Sapientia, a
periodical of the Henry Center for Theological Understanding, as
a rejoinder to a series on the coronavirus and the goodness of
creation.
Daniel Harrell is editor in chief at Christianity Today.
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