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#Post#: 10047--------------------------------------------------
Why Adam Didn't Drop Dead
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: February 3, 2020, 2:44 pm
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● Gen 2:16-17 . . And the Lord God commanded the man,
saying; "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but
from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not
eat, for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die."
● Gen 3:6-7 . .When the woman saw that the tree was good
for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the
tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and
ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
Those passages are favorites among critics because Adam didn't
drop dead to the floor the instant he tasted the forbidden
fruit. In point of fact, he continued to live outside the garden
of Eden for another 800 years after the birth of his son Seth
(Gen 5:4).
The first thing to point out is that in order for the warning to
resonate in Adam's thinking; it had to be related to death as he
understood death in his own day rather than death as modern
Christians construe it in their day. In other words: Adam's
concept of death was primitive, i.e. it was normal and natural
rather spiritual.
As far as can be known from scripture, Man is the only specie
that God created with immortality. The animal kingdom was given
nothing like it. That being the case, then I think it's safe to
assume that death was common all around Adam by means of plants,
birds, bugs, and beasts so that it wasn't a strange new word in
his vocabulary; i.e. God didn't have to take a moment and define
death for Adam seeing as how it was doubtless a common
occurrence in his everyday life.
Adam saw things born, he saw things bloom, he saw things
gradually wither, he saw their life ebb away, and he saw things
decay and dissolve into nothing. So I think we can be reasonably
confident that Adam was up to speed on at least the natural
aspects of death; viz: he was familiar with mortality and he was
familiar with immortality.
Death includes not only mortality but also disintegration.
● 1Cor 15:53-54 . . For this corruptible must put on
incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when
this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal
shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the
saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."
In other words; had Adam not eaten of the forbidden tree, he
would've stayed forever 21, but the very day that he tasted its
fruit, he became mortal-- he lost perpetual youth and began to
age. The tree of life contains a remedy that would've restored
Adam to immortality, but God blocked access to it in order to
make sure Adam's body withered and eventually gave out.
Mortality is a walking death, and it's slow, but very
relentless. It's like Arnold Swarzenegger's movie character; the
Terminator-- it feels neither pain nor pity, nor remorse nor
fear; it cannot be reasoned with nor can it be bargained with,
and it absolutely will not stop-- ever --until you are gone.
_
#Post#: 10048--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why Adam Didn't Drop Dead
DIR By: guest8
Date: February 3, 2020, 7:27 pm
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--- Quote from: Olde Tymer link ---
>
> .
> ● Gen 2:16-17 . . And the Lord God commanded the man,
saying; "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; but
from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not
eat, for in the day that you eat from it you shall surely die."
>
> ● Gen 3:6-7 . .When the woman saw that the tree was good
for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the
tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and
ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
>
> Those passages are favorites among critics because Adam didn't
drop dead to the floor the instant he tasted the forbidden
fruit. In point of fact, he continued to live outside the garden
of Eden for another 800 years after the birth of his son Seth
(Gen 5:4).
>
> The first thing to point out is that in order for the warning
to resonate in Adam's thinking; it had to be related to death as
he understood death in his own day rather than death as modern
Christians construe it in their day. In other words: Adam's
concept of death was primitive, i.e. it was natural rather
spiritual.
>
> As far as can be known from scripture, Man is the only specie
that God created with immortality. The animal kingdom was given
nothing like it. That being the case, then I think it's safe to
assume that death was common all around Adam by means of plants,
birds, bugs, and beasts so that it wasn't a strange new word in
his vocabulary; i.e. God didn't have to take a moment and define
death for Adam seeing as how it was doubtless a common
occurrence in his everyday life.
>
> Adam saw things born, he saw things bloom, he saw things
gradually wither, he saw their life ebb away, and he saw things
decay and dissolve into nothing. So I think we can be reasonably
confident that Adam was up to speed on at least the natural
aspects of death; viz: he was familiar with mortality and he was
familiar with immortality.
>
> Death includes not only mortality but also disintegration.
>
> ● 1Cor 15:53-54 . . For this corruptible must put on
incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when
this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal
shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the
saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."
>
> In other words; had Adam not eaten of the forbidden tree, he
would've stayed forever 21, but the very day that he tasted its
fruit, he became mortal-- he lost perpetual youth and began to
age. The tree of life contains a remedy that would've restored
Adam to immortality, but God blocked access to it in order to
make sure Adam's body withered and eventually gave out.
>
> Mortality is a living death, and it's slow, but very
relentless. It's like Arnold Swarzenegger's movie character; the
Terminator-- it feels neither pain nor pity, nor remorse nor
fear; it cannot be reasoned with nor can it be bargained with,
and it absolutely will not stop-- ever --until you are gone.
> _
>
--- End Quote ---
But Adam died that very day as God had said He would...
Blade
#Post#: 10050--------------------------------------------------
Re: Why Adam Didn't Drop Dead
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: February 3, 2020, 8:00 pm
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
> Adam died that very day as God had said He would.
--- End Quote ---
He certainly did; no doubt about it.
● Gen 3:22-23 . . And the Lord God said: "The man must not
be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of
life and eat, and live forever." So the LORD God banished him
from the Garden of Eden.
Adam contracted mortality from the other tree. Had God allowed
him access to the tree of life, it would've healed the mortality
infecting his body and restored it to immortality.
That tree of life's healing agents are very powerful. According
to Rev 22:1-2, the tree's leaves alone are even useful for
remedies.
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