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#Post#: 11553--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments
By: guest8 Date: April 3, 2020, 9:36 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=729.msg11552#msg11552
date=1585966450]
Ahhhh.... so you recognize a pattern?
Joshua 6
[/quote]
No, Joshua 5:13-15
Blade
#Post#: 11566--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments
By: guest125 Date: April 4, 2020, 10:48 am
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Joshua lifted up his eyes and behold! A man was standing
opposite him with a sword drawn....
Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And
having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; and in the middle
of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe
reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden
sash. His head and His hair were white like white wool, like
snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like
burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace,
and His voice was like the sound of many waters. In His right
hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp
two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its
strength.
It isn't Jesus, but Elohim... a son of God. One came to Joshua
son of Nun and one came to Yeshua son of Joseph (so it was said)
Then all that follows in both records is of six cycles, then a
final seventh when it all comes crashing down.
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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments
By: patrick jane Date: April 4, 2020, 11:17 am
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=729.msg11538#msg11538
date=1585927075]
I've pointed out elsewhere that all prophets upon whom the Word
of God descends are used as instruments of God in whatever
manner He chooses. If you are speaking about miracles-- was
Jesus the only one to have ever performed a miracle? So if God
permitted Jesus to do miracles, like God had permitted others in
the past, then there is no 'but Jesus' model...
Elijah and Elisha raised the dead.
Moses split the sea and prophesied ten plagues
Samson had supernatural strength and so on....
Jericho was brought down to rubble with Joshua's command to blow
the trumpets.
Enoch was taken up, so too Elijah and a man came to life again
when his body was thrown in the grave and touched his bones...
and where are those bones of Moses again? Ezekiel cried....
them dry bones, now hear the Word of the Lord!
Can you love the prophets without thinking them to be God?
Everyone does. Can you love Jesus without thinking him to be
God? I do.
Can you love God without conforming Him to your idea of Him?
You must.
[/quote]Jesus Christ is God, the Father and the Son are equal,
as is their Holy Spirit. The Triune Godhead is clearly seen more
than several times in scripture. They knew what He was saying
2,000 years ago and that's why they killed Him.
#Post#: 11570--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments
By: guest8 Date: April 4, 2020, 4:15 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=729.msg11566#msg11566
date=1586015297]
Joshua lifted up his eyes and behold! A man was standing
opposite him with a sword drawn....
Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And
having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; and in the middle
of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe
reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden
sash. His head and His hair were white like white wool, like
snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like
burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace,
and His voice was like the sound of many waters. In His right
hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp
two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its
strength.
It isn't Jesus, but Elohim... a son of God. One came to Joshua
son of Nun and one came to Yeshua son of Joseph (so it was said)
Then all that follows in both records is of six cycles, then a
final seventh when it all comes crashing down.
[/quote]
I see you did not read it right..He said he was the"I AM" of
Moses. If that is not GOD then we are all in trouble...It is
demonstrated many times that Angels (except fallen angels, i.e.
Satan) will not allow anyone to worship them.......Joshua fell
at the feet of Jesus. He is GOD!
Blade
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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments
By: guest8 Date: April 4, 2020, 4:20 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=729.msg11570#msg11570
date=1586034919]
[quote author=Mr E link=topic=729.msg11566#msg11566
date=1586015297]
Joshua lifted up his eyes and behold! A man was standing
opposite him with a sword drawn....
Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And
having turned I saw seven golden lampstands; and in the middle
of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe
reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden
sash. His head and His hair were white like white wool, like
snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. His feet were like
burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace,
and His voice was like the sound of many waters. In His right
hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp
two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its
strength.
It isn't Jesus, but Elohim... a son of God. One came to Joshua
son of Nun and one came to Yeshua son of Joseph (so it was said)
Then all that follows in both records is of six cycles, then a
final seventh when it all comes crashing down.
[/quote]
I see you did not read it right..He said he was the"I AM" of
Moses. If that is not GOD then we are all in trouble...It is
demonstrated many times that Angels (except fallen angels, i.e.
Satan) will not allow anyone to worship them.......Joshua fell
at the feet of Jesus. He is GOD!
Blade
[/quote]
MR. E....you are very deceitful and this will be the last time I
respond to your post. you deliberately changed the verses I
spoke of from Joshua to Rev 1:13... I highlighted them in GREEN
for you.... You sir are pretty low as far as I am concerned,
trying to deceive people that your teaching/ramblings are true.,
Blade
#Post#: 11591--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments
By: guest125 Date: April 5, 2020, 11:01 am
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I was showing you the pattern that I was speaking about.
The pattern recorded in Joshua is the same pattern shown in the
book of Revelation.
But by all means-- go on your way. Maybe some blind men will
follow you.
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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments
By: patrick jane Date: April 5, 2020, 11:45 am
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=729.msg11591#msg11591
date=1586102516]
I was showing you the pattern that I was speaking about.
The pattern recorded in Joshua is the same pattern shown in the
book of Revelation.
But by all means-- go on your way. Maybe some blind men will
follow you.
[/quote]He has no patience Mr E - I knew you switched books and
saw the obvious correlation.
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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: Billy Evmur Date: April 5, 2020, 5:15 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=729.msg9556#msg9556
date=1578543913]
[quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=729.msg9552#msg9552
date=1578510827]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=729.msg9551#msg9551
date=1578507157]
My concerns would be - did Jesus suffer as a human man? Meaning,
did He deal with sore feet or suffer from a deep cut? We know
that He did, making Him fully human indeed. Again, did Jesus
experience the same things I experience and the answer is yes,
He did.
Thoughts, on the other hand, are where the differences lay. Did
Jesus, as a man being fully human, experience doubt in faith or
any other human emotion? Yes, He wept. At the same time and I
mean at exactly the same time as He was a man weeping, could
Jesus have called on His divinity to change the course of
history or change the course of time. I believe He could. We can
only imagine what it might be like to be man and God Almighty at
the same time.
[/quote]
Why would the ability to experience pain be a factor in a full
expression of humanity? If God has emotions such as love and
anger, even prior to walking the Earth as Jesus, surely he was
at least capable of feeling pain to some degree, why would the
addition of physical pain require being fully human? Allowing
the burden of physical pain to be an inconvenience for such a
small time as compared to an eternity that He had no doubts
about (because he brought it about) is a small price to pay for
God. A price yes, pain yes, I’m not so sure it required humanity
other than form. If emotions made Jesus a man, then Jesus was a
man before he was born.
*See, weird huh? Now, it’s going to be hard for me to be
consistent at this and I won’t have an explanation for
everything, because it’s a relatively new idea I’ve sunk only a
small amount of thought in prior to posting, on top of it maybe
being impossible to apply in certain situations. Lol, my reply
was kinda cringey to write, but it was kinda fun.*
[/quote]Pain and suffering is only experienced in the earth as
an earthly being, whether animal or human. The pain and the
suffering that Jesus experienced is real and He experienced
every human experience, emotional or not. Jesus had doubt in His
faith, as we do. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh in the earth
as a man and God as a man. I can make perfect sense of this as
much as anyone possibly can with discernment from the Holy
Spirit and the information in God's words.
[/quote]
... because whatever He bore He bore for US in our place ... our
faith is not up to that, but at the least we can receive comfort
to know that whatever we have to suffer, He suffered too.
#Post#: 11618--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest8 Date: April 6, 2020, 7:09 pm
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=729.msg11599#msg11599
date=1586124930]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=729.msg9556#msg9556
date=1578543913]
[quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=729.msg9552#msg9552
date=1578510827]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=729.msg9551#msg9551
date=1578507157]
My concerns would be - did Jesus suffer as a human man? Meaning,
did He deal with sore feet or suffer from a deep cut? We know
that He did, making Him fully human indeed. Again, did Jesus
experience the same things I experience and the answer is yes,
He did.
Thoughts, on the other hand, are where the differences lay. Did
Jesus, as a man being fully human, experience doubt in faith or
any other human emotion? Yes, He wept. At the same time and I
mean at exactly the same time as He was a man weeping, could
Jesus have called on His divinity to change the course of
history or change the course of time. I believe He could. We can
only imagine what it might be like to be man and God Almighty at
the same time.
[/quote]
Why would the ability to experience pain be a factor in a full
expression of humanity? If God has emotions such as love and
anger, even prior to walking the Earth as Jesus, surely he was
at least capable of feeling pain to some degree, why would the
addition of physical pain require being fully human? Allowing
the burden of physical pain to be an inconvenience for such a
small time as compared to an eternity that He had no doubts
about (because he brought it about) is a small price to pay for
God. A price yes, pain yes, I’m not so sure it required humanity
other than form. If emotions made Jesus a man, then Jesus was a
man before he was born.
*See, weird huh? Now, it’s going to be hard for me to be
consistent at this and I won’t have an explanation for
everything, because it’s a relatively new idea I’ve sunk only a
small amount of thought in prior to posting, on top of it maybe
being impossible to apply in certain situations. Lol, my reply
was kinda cringey to write, but it was kinda fun.*
[/quote]Pain and suffering is only experienced in the earth as
an earthly being, whether animal or human. The pain and the
suffering that Jesus experienced is real and He experienced
every human experience, emotional or not. Jesus had doubt in His
faith, as we do. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh in the earth
as a man and God as a man. I can make perfect sense of this as
much as anyone possibly can with discernment from the Holy
Spirit and the information in God's words.
[/quote]
... because whatever He bore He bore for US in our place ... our
faith is not up to that, but at the least we can receive comfort
to know that whatever we have to suffer, He suffered too.
[/quote]
you are kidding, right!..I derive NO comfort in knowing that it
was MY SINS that placed him on that Cross. Yes, His death
brought salvation to all who believed in the son (Jesus Christ)
and His Gospel (according to scripture).
But to take comfort in his death?
Blade
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