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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments
By: guest125 Date: April 1, 2020, 9:16 pm
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Hello PJ, John, Bladerunner and others....
Maybe someone can explain something to me about how this board
is functioning?
This appears to be Jon Wood's thread as OP, but somehow it shows
Bladerunner as the thread starter? Does this mean it was copied
and pasted from elsewhere and brought here by Bladerunner? It's
really confusing. If that's the case, it might look like a
person has posted here when they didn't really, but it was
migrated?
It seems like almost everyone has moderator status-- maybe too
many cooks in the kitchen making changes. There are posts in at
least one of Firestarter;s threads that are attributed to me,
that are not mine. Maybe this is another symptom...
Concerning the topic of this thread-- I could offer a
perspective, but I'm not certain that this is still an active
discussion.
#Post#: 11491--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments
By: patrick jane Date: April 1, 2020, 10:05 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=729.msg11486#msg11486
date=1585793765]
Hello PJ, John, Bladerunner and others....
Maybe someone can explain something to me about how this board
is functioning?
This appears to be Jon Wood's thread as OP, but somehow it shows
Bladerunner as the thread starter? Does this mean it was copied
and pasted from elsewhere and brought here by Bladerunner? It's
really confusing. If that's the case, it might look like a
person has posted here when they didn't really, but it was
migrated?
It seems like almost everyone has moderator status-- maybe too
many cooks in the kitchen making changes. There are posts in at
least one of Firestarter;s threads that are attributed to me,
that are not mine. Maybe this is another symptom...
Concerning the topic of this thread-- I could offer a
perspective, but I'm not certain that this is still an active
discussion.
[/quote]Hey pal, don't rock the boat. Just kiddin' hahaha yes
Blade separated the OP Topics top stand alone and a different
thread for comments. Those threads at the top of Blade's forum
are locked for no replies. To comment look for the link in the
Main thread to the Comment thread. I like the idea.
#Post#: 11492--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments
By: guest8 Date: April 1, 2020, 10:19 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=729.msg11491#msg11491
date=1585796720]
[quote author=Mr E link=topic=729.msg11486#msg11486
date=1585793765]
Hello PJ, John, Bladerunner and others....
Maybe someone can explain something to me about how this board
is functioning?
This appears to be Jon Wood's thread as OP, but somehow it shows
Bladerunner as the thread starter? Does this mean it was copied
and pasted from elsewhere and brought here by Bladerunner? It's
really confusing. If that's the case, it might look like a
person has posted here when they didn't really, but it was
migrated?
It seems like almost everyone has moderator status-- maybe too
many cooks in the kitchen making changes. There are posts in at
least one of Firestarter;s threads that are attributed to me,
that are not mine. Maybe this is another symptom...
Concerning the topic of this thread-- I could offer a
perspective, but I'm not certain that this is still an active
discussion.
[/quote]Hey pa;, don't rock the boat. Just kiddin' hahaha yes
Blade separated the OP Topics top stand alone and a different
thread for comments. Those threads at the top of Blade's forum
are locked for no replies. To comment look for the link in the
Main thread to the Comment thread. I like the idea.
[/quote]
Mr.E....The first post is attributed to JON right above the
post itself. Yes This is a copy of the original post by JON. The
original post is in the Comments Thread. There is even a link
directly to all comments including the 1st post . No post are
lost
The Idea behind this Mr.E??? is the 1st post is most always
hidden at the end of the page numbers. By doing this, The reader
does not have to hunt for the Threads main post. It is posted in
the Yellow section. No other comments are allowed here. However
there is a thread by the same name
"XXXXXXX: Comments"
Hope this helps..
Blade
#Post#: 11493--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments
By: guest8 Date: April 1, 2020, 10:31 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=729.msg11486#msg11486
date=1585793765]
Hello PJ, John, Bladerunner and others....
Maybe someone can explain something to me about how this board
is functioning?
This appears to be Jon Wood's thread as OP, but somehow it shows
Bladerunner as the thread starter? Does this mean it was copied
and pasted from elsewhere and brought here by Bladerunner? It's
really confusing. If that's the case, it might look like a
person has posted here when they didn't really, but it was
migrated?
It seems like almost everyone has moderator status-- maybe too
many cooks in the kitchen making changes. There are posts in at
least one of Firestarter;s threads that are attributed to me,
that are not mine. Maybe this is another symptom...
Concerning the topic of this thread-- I could offer a
perspective, but I'm not certain that this is still an active
discussion.
[/quote]
One more thing Mr. E.....It is apparent that all your post are
original to you. However, should you ever use someone elses
information as a source or as a headliner, you will have to
learn how to give credit where credit is due. I suggest you
practice reading this way as well.
Blade
#Post#: 11513--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments
By: guest5 Date: April 2, 2020, 11:20 am
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=729.msg11486#msg11486
date=1585793765]
Hello PJ, John, Bladerunner and others....
Maybe someone can explain something to me about how this board
is functioning?
This appears to be Jon Wood's thread as OP, but somehow it shows
Bladerunner as the thread starter? Does this mean it was copied
and pasted from elsewhere and brought here by Bladerunner? It's
really confusing. If that's the case, it might look like a
person has posted here when they didn't really, but it was
migrated?
It seems like almost everyone has moderator status-- maybe too
many cooks in the kitchen making changes. There are posts in at
least one of Firestarter;s threads that are attributed to me,
that are not mine. Maybe this is another symptom...
Concerning the topic of this thread-- I could offer a
perspective, but I'm not certain that this is still an active
discussion.
[/quote]
Hi Mr. E, I think PJ and Blade explained the format fairly well.
As far as this being an active thread or not, I would say it is
if anyone has interest. I’m the kind of person that starts
threads and comments early in its life, then I find something
else that interests me, I eventually come back to see if
anything intriguing has happened (when I remember to).
#Post#: 11521--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest125 Date: April 2, 2020, 9:51 pm
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[quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=729.msg9562#msg9562
date=1578583555]
Now, we’ve hit a point that I’m not sure that I understand how
Jesus could be fully God in his moments of doubt. Things like
that are what this whole idea is about really.
Since you hold to Him being both fully God and Fully man, please
explain what you can from both perspectives. It’s something I’ve
never understood.
[/quote]
It's a theological connundrum. A pickle.
The reason it doesn't seem to make sense is because it doesn't
make sense. It's hard to believe because it's unbelievable.
Often, folks who want to support this idea do so because they
feel some kind of obligation to their beliefs which are based on
what they've chosen to hold on to from among all of the things
that they've been taught. The fully God, and fully man teaching
is accepted dogma, so therefore to be accepted by these groups
as one under the banner of Christian you must accept this basic
teaching... -or, you are out of the Club, or otherwise beaten
with the club.
The premise is unsupportable, so to believe this teaching you
must in fact suspend your disbelief. Do you get that? In order
to believe it, you have to not disbelieve it. You have to accept
something that is wholly unacceptable on it's face, hold your
nose and agree that it doesn't smell... off. If you can do
this, then you can be considered part of the conventional
wisdom-- the Christian collective... group think certified.
But let's examine it and I'll demonstrate why the two parts of
this puzzle are irreconcilable. To be fully man and fully God
at the same time, all the time. That's the nut we are trying to
crack, right?
Let's look at the man/God equation mathematically.
Man---------------------God
God----------------------Man
100%-------------------0% 100%--------------------0%
There can be no parts man in the 'Jesus was fully God' camp. So
the supporters hedge and they do so unapologetically. They
surmise that Jesus must have had everything of God's power and
knowledge (being fully God) and simply ignored it at times, that
he was perfect and sinless- and submitted himself to John's
baptism of repentance only as an example for others to follow
(since he had nothing to repent for) as just a couple examples.
They call it a mystery-- that which they can't explain and with
a wave of the hand they just 'declare' that he was both somehow
because they also say in agreement with the scriptures that he
was tempted in every way common to man and that he understands
our weaknesses. It speaks of these things in Hebrews 4 and 5
and it's clear that he understand weakness and temptation
because he was subject to everything anyone else faces-- this is
what makes his example relevant and powerful. These teachers
will be quick to point out Heb 4:4 highlighting the without sin
part...
For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our
weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we
are, yet without sin. Therefore let us draw near with
confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy
and find grace to help in time of need.
Yet we know that the reason the high priest can appear before
the throne of God is only because he has first repented and
offered the gifts and sacrifice.
Heb 5: 1-2
For every high priest taken from among men is appointed on
behalf of men in things pertaining to God, in order to offer
both gifts and sacrifices for sins; he can deal gently with the
ignorant and misguided, since he himself also is beset with
weakness; and because of it he is obligated to offer sacrifices
for sins, as for the people, so also for himself.
It says every high priest-- it doesn't say every high priest but
Jesus. And one day you and I and every man who claims the blood
of sacrifice will also stand before this same throne-- sinless.
Not because we never sinned, or never gave in to temptation, but
because this same high priest-- this man/Lamb/Jesus became our
sacrifice and this Son of God- arose and ascended into heaven
where he became our high priest. Was Jesus the high priest
while he walked on this earth? No- there was another, but that
one was appointed by men and Jesus was annointed and made high
priest not in the order of men, but by God who declared him A
PRIEST FOREVER ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK.
How do I reconcile it? I don't. There is no reconciliation or
fudging of numbers. God is God and not a man. Jesus was a man
and men are not God.
God -the Father- sent his Son--- the Word of God (which springs
forth from the Father) via the Holy Spirit (a messenger) to
descend upon and fill the man Jesus who-- so annointed became
the Christ-- the Messiah (annointed one) -- who is always a man
and nothing more than a man apart from that Spirit which dwells
within.
So where did Jesus get his knowledge? The same way all prophets
through all of time got everything they were given. Over and
over you can read of it both in the stories of the prophets and
patriarchs. You'll read that the Word of the Lord, or the Angel
of the Lord came to....
So why is this different? Because some folks insist it must
be... to align with their teachings and what they have been
taught.
Anyways-- outside the mainstream on this, but that's how you
avoid the Falls.
#Post#: 11522--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments
By: patrick jane Date: April 2, 2020, 10:35 pm
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Yes, Mr E however, Jesus had divine power; God's power in the
earth as a man, the Great I Am.
#Post#: 11538--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments
By: guest125 Date: April 3, 2020, 10:17 am
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I've pointed out elsewhere that all prophets upon whom the Word
of God descends are used as instruments of God in whatever
manner He chooses. If you are speaking about miracles-- was
Jesus the only one to have ever performed a miracle? So if God
permitted Jesus to do miracles, like God had permitted others in
the past, then there is no 'but Jesus' model...
Elijah and Elisha raised the dead.
Moses split the sea and prophesied ten plagues
Samson had supernatural strength and so on....
Jericho was brought down to rubble with Joshua's command to blow
the trumpets.
Enoch was taken up, so too Elijah and a man came to life again
when his body was thrown in the grave and touched his bones...
and where are those bones of Moses again? Ezekiel cried....
them dry bones, now hear the Word of the Lord!
Can you love the prophets without thinking them to be God?
Everyone does. Can you love Jesus without thinking him to be
God? I do.
Can you love God without conforming Him to your idea of Him?
You must.
#Post#: 11540--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments
By: guest8 Date: April 3, 2020, 3:03 pm
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[quote author=Mr E link=topic=729.msg11538#msg11538
date=1585927075]
I've pointed out elsewhere that all prophets upon whom the Word
of God descends are used as instruments of God in whatever
manner He chooses. If you are speaking about miracles-- was
Jesus the only one to have ever performed a miracle? So if God
permitted Jesus to do miracles, like God had permitted others in
the past, then there is no 'but Jesus' model...
Elijah and Elisha raised the dead.
Moses split the sea and prophesied ten plagues
Samson had supernatural strength and so on....
Jericho was brought down to rubble with Joshua's command to blow
the trumpets.
Enoch was taken up, so too Elijah and a man came to life again
when his body was thrown in the grave and touched his bones...
and where are those bones of Moses again? Ezekiel cried....
them dry bones, now hear the Word of the Lord!
Can you love the prophets without thinking them to be God?
Everyone does. Can you love Jesus without thinking him to be
God? I do.
Can you love God without conforming Him to your idea of Him?
You must.
[/quote]
You said:"Jericho was brought down to rubble with Joshua's
command to blow the trumpets."
That was Jesus that made that command!
Blade
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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief: Comments
By: guest125 Date: April 3, 2020, 9:14 pm
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Ahhhh.... so you recognize a pattern?
Joshua 6
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