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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest8 Date: January 10, 2020, 3:57 pm
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[quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=729.msg9613#msg9613
date=1578678371]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=729.msg9608#msg9608
date=1578676041]
OK, Let me say this,,,, Jon scratch what I ask of you as I have
found you already posted it in the another post. Thanks.
I have found that one should take stock of one's position with
GOD everyday and take nothing for granted....I think this is
perseverance as commanded by GOD....
Someone once told me the Bible was authored in terms that a
child could understand and it was also authored in terms that
one could dive into and get as deep as they want to......The
question is, how deep to you want to go...Whatever it is, I'll
try to go there with you if that is ok. One suggestion while you
read the WA article.
.Of course, there is always Atheism and being an Agnostic BUT
most everyone falls within two disciplines as a believer....
These ar Amillenialism and Pre-Millennialism. Dave
unfortunately (in my opinion) is in the wrong camp of
Amillenialism and every thing He gives you will lead to that
theology. I on the other hand can supply the Pre-Millennialism
theology. Be assured, One takes you away from GOD and the Other
takes to GOD. In the end it is your decision to be made.
Blade
Blade
[/quote]
I’ll definitely keep you in mind if I find anything in that
deeper category I might want to explore in the future.
Lol, I actually wanted to look into the creeds because Dave
mentions them so much. I wanted to know what was actually said
in the ecumenical councils that decided on their general
acceptance to see if there was any solid logical reasoning that
could be reviewed today. So far his article produces nada in the
valid reasoning department and is more commentary than anything.
Though, it has provided names of attendees that I could read
more in detail about when I want, so that’s cool.
I never really got much into the End times prophecy stuff. I
might look into the “A” and “Premillennialism” thing at some
point though
[/quote]
Ok, will wait until you are ready just simply let me know,,.,,
OH, before I go, you click on forums and scroll down to the Holy
Bible...I have placed some topics you might find interesting and
I have tried to include documentation as well.......
Have a Blessed day my Friend.,...
Blade
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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest58 Date: January 11, 2020, 3:55 pm
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[quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=729.msg9562#msg9562
date=1578583555]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=729.msg9556#msg9556
date=1578543913] Jesus had doubt in His faith, as we do.[/quote]
Now, we’ve hit a point that I’m not sure that I understand how
Jesus could be fully God in his moments of doubt. [/quote]
I suspect that this moment of doubt you both reference is His
cry from the cross: Eli, eli, ‘ă·zaḇ·tā·nî
lā·māh; that is: My God, my God, why have You
forsaken me?
Christ on the cross was aware that the onlookers saw Him as
defeated so He quoted the first line of Ps 22. No psalm had a
number at that time so to reference a particular psalm one just
quoted the first line. But the audience would know the whole
psalm by heart and would recognize His message was that
appearances were deceiving and He was in fact victorious as per
the ending: 31 They shall come, and shall declare his
righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that HE HATH
DONE IT.
Then there is also the verses about the garden incident: Matthew
26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the
ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup
be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." which
many think He meant to avoid the cross out of fear or whatever.
I find the suggestion that He feared for His life in the garden,
that He was under so much pressure He thought maybe He was to
die in the garden and not on the cross. Death in the garden was
the cup He wished to have taken away (but not His will but the
Father's be done) so He could get to the cross.
Thus I humbly reject His time of doubt as probable since it is
not necessary to anything and is explained quite easily as His
faith in the plan.
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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest58 Date: January 11, 2020, 6:23 pm
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[quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=729.msg9577#msg9577
date=1578627564][font=verdana]Somebody, (me in this case) that
does not believe in the deity of Jesus and wants to approach the
subject like I started by accepting the premise that He is
God...[/font][/quote]
Please consider that the nature of GOD is love. IF GOD is not
Triune, ie a unified singularity but only a singularity, who did
HE love before creation? GOD was loving but there is no one to
love. Can love exist without an object of that affection?? If
GOD is not a Trinity then I presume we must believe love can
exist with no object for that love but I find that to be very
hard to accept, much harder than accepting that the verses that
CAN BE interpreted as referring to a divine Trinity are telling
that truth.
Since the DNA of GOD was mentioned, I will say that the DNA of
GOD is HIS Divine attributes, omniscience, omnipresence,
omnipotence etc. Any one exhibiting these attributes is Divine
just as anyone exhibiting dog dna is a dog not a cat.
But the perfection of the Divine Attributes is such that, if
there are three people with these divine attributes, they do not
make three GODs but form a unity, an echad, of divinity such
that ONE GOD of three Divine persons is accurate while three
god's is not.
Three omnipotent people do not make three omnipotents but ONE
omnipotent due to the nature of the unifying perfection of
omnipotence.
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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest5 Date: January 11, 2020, 11:44 pm
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[quote author=Ted T. link=topic=729.msg9630#msg9630
date=1578779722]
I suspect that this moment of doubt you both reference is His
cry from the cross: Eli, eli, ‘ă·zaḇ·tā·nî
lā·māh; that is: My God, my God, why have You
forsaken me?
Christ on the cross was aware that the onlookers saw Him as
defeated so He quoted the first line of Ps 22. No psalm had a
number at that time so to reference a particular psalm one just
quoted the first line. But the audience would know the whole
psalm by heart and would recognize His message was that
appearances were deceiving and He was in fact victorious as per
the ending: 31 They shall come, and shall declare his
righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that HE HATH
DONE IT.
Then there is also the verses about the garden incident: Matthew
26:39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the
ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup
be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." which
many think He meant to avoid the cross out of fear or whatever.
I find the suggestion that He feared for His life in the garden,
that He was under so much pressure He thought maybe He was to
die in the garden and not on the cross. Death in the garden was
the cup He wished to have taken away (but not His will but the
Father's be done) so He could get to the cross.
Thus I humbly reject His time of doubt as probable since it is
not necessary to anything and is explained quite easily as His
faith in the plan.
[/quote]
I presume that the “Why have you forsaken me?” Passage was the
intended reference because it seems more often referenced and
came to my mind first. I could see your explanation as being a
pretty logical one in that aspect.
Did you intend to say something akin to “I find the suggestion
(likely to be) that He feared for His life in the garden”? I
believe this to be your intention, but am uncertain.
I find it difficult to conceive that Jesus could be fully aware
of His deity and yet have any true concern that anything could
go any way other than exactly according to plan. Though, if I
recall, you have a fairly unique view on several things that I
had not heard of before, so I’d be interested in any suggestions
to that affect.
Thanks for entering the conversation, this has already gotten
more involved participation than I expected it to here
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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: patrick jane Date: January 11, 2020, 11:48 pm
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For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be
accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors:
for the things concerning me have an end.
38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said
unto them, It is enough.
39 And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of
Olives; and his disciples also followed him.
40 And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye
enter not into temptation.
41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and
kneeled down, and prayed,
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me:
nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven,
strengthening him.
44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat
was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his
disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,
46 And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye
enter into temptation.
#Post#: 9640--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest5 Date: January 12, 2020, 12:39 am
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Thanks Ted, I’m working on a response to your second post and
reviewing everything else so far. I hope to be back soon with
some thoughts.
I’d like to remind us (myself included) that the focal point is
not directly deity or Jesus being God, the focus is primarily on
Jesus being human. It is difficult to make a topic like this
stay in that direction, but it’s working better than I thought
it would already, so thanks for an interesting discussion so far
everyone. I’m looking at this from angles I probably wouldn’t
have thought about on my own
#Post#: 9647--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest8 Date: January 12, 2020, 5:24 pm
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[quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=729.msg9640#msg9640
date=1578811185]
Thanks Ted, I’m working on a response to your second post and
reviewing everything else so far. I hope to be back soon with
some thoughts.
I’d like to remind us (myself included) that the focal point is
not directly deity or Jesus being God, the focus is primarily on
Jesus being human. It is difficult to make a topic like this
stay in that direction, but it’s working better than I thought
it would already, so thanks for an interesting discussion so far
everyone. I’m looking at this from angles I probably wouldn’t
have thought about on my own
[/quote]
John 1:14.."And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of
the Father,) full of grace and truth."
This is how JOHN and all the disciples viewed Jesus
Christ..........
Blade
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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: patrick jane Date: January 22, 2020, 11:23 pm
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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest8 Date: January 29, 2020, 7:28 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=729.msg9838#msg9838
date=1579756981]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH8xHJXee-o
[/quote]
Yes, God is everywhere yet, If a young boy who had godly powers,
would they not have surfaced long before they did (after the
resurrection).
I am content with the thought that Jesus had somehow abdicated
His Godly powers until the Resurrection. With the Triune Body of
God, The Holy Spirit and it 7 spirits and then Jesus Christ as:
fully Man and Fully GOD we really cannot know how GOD pulled it
off...The fact is, HE DID and I am good with that.
Blade
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Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest8 Date: April 1, 2020, 7:33 pm
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[quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=729.msg9640#msg9640
date=1578811185]
Thanks Ted, I’m working on a response to your second post and
reviewing everything else so far. I hope to be back soon with
some thoughts.
I’d like to remind us (myself included) that the focal point is
not directly deity or Jesus being God, the focus is primarily on
Jesus being human. It is difficult to make a topic like this
stay in that direction, but it’s working better than I thought
it would already, so thanks for an interesting discussion so far
everyone. I’m looking at this from angles I probably wouldn’t
have thought about on my own
[/quote]
Jon...It is difficult to access if you found the answers you
are/were looking for? With the "the focus is primarily on Jesus
being human.", what part of His life are you looking for....Was
you looking to the beating he took prior to the cross....Why HE
did it... His young Life.....Etc....You have any direction I
might be able to shed some light on a particular subject?
Stay Safe my friend
Blade
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