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#Post#: 9598--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest5 Date: January 10, 2020, 5:30 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=729.msg9588#msg9588
date=1578647899]
[quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=729.msg9580#msg9580
date=1578628801]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=729.msg9579#msg9579
date=1578628522]
Jon get your ass back here.
[/quote]
Yes?
[/quote]LOL, kiddin' bro - why don't you believe in God and
Jesus Christ? What keeps you from believing?
✝🕊⛪🙏🛐
[/quote]
Hmm, it’s not that I don’t believe in God or Jesus. I’ve almost
always been theistic and believed in God as being the ultimate
Father of all. That hasn’t changed. Jesus, I also believe in and
am pretty sure had at least some kind of deeper understanding of
God more than most anyone else. It’s not as simple as not
believing in them. More or less, it’s a questioning of my own
sincerity when I was pretty sure I was a Christian, added with a
few things that I just don’t take as a given that in general,
most Christians do. Maybe i’ll get more into this later, but
probably not much in this thread. Thanks PJ. i’m Not sure how
you didn’t know either lol, I talk to you more than most
everyone else and thought it had come up by now
#Post#: 9603--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest8 Date: January 10, 2020, 10:40 am
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[quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=729.msg9577#msg9577
date=1578627564]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=729.msg9576#msg9576
date=1578626116]
[quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=729.msg9574#msg9574
date=1578625019]
It can definitely make you think, and maybe even overthink. It
comes from something that’s been in the back of my mind for 10
years or more, a part that I never had any idea how to work on
by myself actually because I didn’t know what it was. I’ll take
a break from the backstory for a minute.
Typically if we go the direction of the born of woman thing...
we get diverted into something like “well, at best he was a
hybrid then” and if not that direction then you’ll usually
explain the original sin angle, which I’m sure is a planned
diversion from the guy who doesn’t believe in deity in a
standard conversation come to think of it lol.
[/quote]
I think your research may be lacking a little. lol (see blue
above)
I believe in the deity of Christ.
Before we get started....Do you believe you are fully Human????
Yet, you have the Holy Spirit within you, who is fully
GOD........
Are you not Fully Man.???.....Not a hybrid??
If we were able to test the DNA of Jesus, what do you think we
would find.??..All of Man and none of GOD (simply because we do
not have GOD's DNA)...
Yet, if something was included or changed, we would assign that
anomaly to GOD.....??
I think you will find I go in different directions than
standard.
Blade
[/quote]
Lol, I think we missed each other somewhere. I am not saying
that YOU don’t believe in the deity of Jesus in the blue
portion. Somebody, (me in this case) that does not believe in
the deity of Jesus and wants to approach the subject like I
started by accepting the premise that He is God, and now the
other side (yours) is to show to him (me) Jesus is a man. That
is the premise I wanted to experiment with to see what might be
different in the deity talk, but I haven’t been that great in
the follow through.
I think you’ve missed somewhere that I haven’t considered myself
exactly a Christian in quite some time, the reasons are more
complicated than just the deity thing and I hope it doesn’t
change how you think of me. I’ve considered you a friend for a
long time and was sure you knew by now. If we can get past that
I definitely welcome more discussion.
To your points on the hybrid note, I must say that I had not
considered that before and I think it very interesting.
[/quote]
JON, OF course we can continue to be friends....I will try to
answer what questions you have on your mind and I promise not to
judge you,..That is not my job..
As you say you are not a Christian! could I get your info that
helps me know where your coming from....Like the Whats & WHY, do
you believe in something else...May be a stumbling point that
keeps you out of Christianity or many several points
Blade
#Post#: 9605--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest5 Date: January 10, 2020, 10:49 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=729.msg9603#msg9603
date=1578674408]
JON, OF course we can continue to be friends....I will try to
answer what questions you have on your mind and I promise not to
judge you,..That is not my job...
[/quote]
I’m glad Blade. If I think of anything to ask immediately, I’ll
let you know. I’m pretty engrossed in an article Dave L shared
on TF about the Westminster Assembly. It’s got a pretty
significant amount of my attention for the moment.
#Post#: 9606--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest5 Date: January 10, 2020, 11:04 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=729.msg9603#msg9603
date=1578674408]
As you say you are not a Christian! could I get your info that
helps me know where your coming from....Like the Whats & WHY, do
you believe in something else...May be a stumbling point that
keeps you out of Christianity or many several points
Blade
[/quote]
I gave a fairly good general description of where I come from to
PJ a comment or two, back. A good portion of it is somewhere, I
feel I just stopped being sincere. Some of it is I feel that
there are fundamental things that a majority of Christians
accept as fact, for one reason or another that I just can’t for
that reason.
To be honest, I read the Bible more as a general theist than I
ever did when I was a Christian, and it’s still not that
overwhelmingly often, more as a “I didn’t know it said that,
what a good point to bring up in this discussion”
#Post#: 9607--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest17 Date: January 10, 2020, 11:05 am
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Jon, it doesn't change the way I think of you. I just want you
to know that.
#Post#: 9608--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest8 Date: January 10, 2020, 11:07 am
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[quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=729.msg9605#msg9605
date=1578674979]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=729.msg9603#msg9603
date=1578674408]
JON, OF course we can continue to be friends....I will try to
answer what questions you have on your mind and I promise not to
judge you,..That is not my job...
[/quote]
I’m glad Blade. If I think of anything to ask immediately, I’ll
let you know. I’m pretty engrossed in an article Dave L shared
on TF about the Westminster Assembly. It’s got a pretty
significant amount of my attention for the moment.
[/quote]
OK, Let me say this,,,, Jon scratch what I ask of you as I have
found you already posted it in the another post. Thanks.
I have found that one should take stock of one's position with
GOD everyday and take nothing for granted....I think this is
perseverance as commanded by GOD....
Someone once told me the Bible was authored in terms that a
child could understand and it was also authored in terms that
one could dive into and get as deep as they want to......The
question is, how deep to you want to go...Whatever it is, I'll
try to go there with you if that is ok. One suggestion while you
read the WA article.
.Of course, there is always Atheism and being an Agnostic BUT
most everyone falls within two disciplines as a believer....
These ar Amillenialism and Pre-Millennialism. Dave
unfortunately (in my opinion) is in the wrong camp of
Amillenialism and every thing He gives you will lead to that
theology. I on the other hand can supply the Pre-Millennialism
theology. Be assured, One takes you away from GOD and the Other
takes to GOD. In the end it is your decision to be made.
Blade
Blade
#Post#: 9609--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest5 Date: January 10, 2020, 11:13 am
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[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=729.msg9607#msg9607
date=1578675944]
Jon, it doesn't change the way I think of you. I just want you
to know that.
[/quote]
Thank you TJ, that means a lot to me :)
#Post#: 9611--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: patrick jane Date: January 10, 2020, 11:31 am
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[quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=729.msg9609#msg9609
date=1578676403]
[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=729.msg9607#msg9607
date=1578675944]
Jon, it doesn't change the way I think of you. I just want you
to know that.
[/quote]
Thank you TJ, that means a lot to me :)
[/quote]Me either Jon, I love you just the same. I don't love
Christians "more" than agnostics or anyone else. I'm just
curious because I can't NOT believe.
#Post#: 9612--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest5 Date: January 10, 2020, 11:35 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=729.msg9611#msg9611
date=1578677490]
[quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=729.msg9609#msg9609
date=1578676403]
[quote author=truthjourney link=topic=729.msg9607#msg9607
date=1578675944]
Jon, it doesn't change the way I think of you. I just want you
to know that.
[/quote]
Thank you TJ, that means a lot to me :)
[/quote]Me either Jon, I love you just the same. I don't love
Christians "more" than agnostics or anyone else. I'm just
curious because I can't NOT believe.
[/quote]
I know bro, plus you have to like me anyway, I’m a subscriber
lol.
#Post#: 9613--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
By: guest5 Date: January 10, 2020, 11:46 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=729.msg9608#msg9608
date=1578676041]
OK, Let me say this,,,, Jon scratch what I ask of you as I have
found you already posted it in the another post. Thanks.
I have found that one should take stock of one's position with
GOD everyday and take nothing for granted....I think this is
perseverance as commanded by GOD....
Someone once told me the Bible was authored in terms that a
child could understand and it was also authored in terms that
one could dive into and get as deep as they want to......The
question is, how deep to you want to go...Whatever it is, I'll
try to go there with you if that is ok. One suggestion while you
read the WA article.
.Of course, there is always Atheism and being an Agnostic BUT
most everyone falls within two disciplines as a believer....
These ar Amillenialism and Pre-Millennialism. Dave
unfortunately (in my opinion) is in the wrong camp of
Amillenialism and every thing He gives you will lead to that
theology. I on the other hand can supply the Pre-Millennialism
theology. Be assured, One takes you away from GOD and the Other
takes to GOD. In the end it is your decision to be made.
Blade
Blade
[/quote]
I’ll definitely keep you in mind if I find anything in that
deeper category I might want to explore in the future.
Lol, I actually wanted to look into the creeds because Dave
mentions them so much. I wanted to know what was actually said
in the ecumenical councils that decided on their general
acceptance to see if there was any solid logical reasoning that
could be reviewed today. So far his article produces nada in the
valid reasoning department and is more commentary than anything.
Though, it has provided names of attendees that I could read
more in detail about when I want, so that’s cool.
I never really got much into the End times prophecy stuff. I
might look into the “A” and “Premillennialism” thing at some
point though
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