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#Post#: 9566--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: January 9, 2020, 6:53 pm
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--- Quote from: Jon Wood link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=729.msg9556#msg9556
date=1578543913]
> Pain and suffering is only experienced in the earth as an
earthly being, whether animal or human. The pain and the
suffering that Jesus experienced is real and He experienced
every human experience, emotional or not. Jesus had doubt in His
faith, as we do. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh in the earth
as a man and God as a man. I can make perfect sense of this as
much as anyone possibly can with discernment from the Holy
Spirit and the information in God's words.
>
--- End Quote ---
Now, we’ve hit a point that I’m not sure that I understand how
Jesus could be fully God in his moments of doubt. Things like
that are what this whole idea is about really.
Since you hold to Him being both fully God and Fully man, please
explain what you can from both perspectives. It’s something I’ve
never understood.
[/quote]I used to say and think that Jesus Christ was diminished
or made lower concerning His Divinity WHILE IN THE EARTH AS A
MAN. This seems to be what many people believe as well.
#Post#: 9572--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
DIR By: guest8
Date: January 9, 2020, 7:23 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=729.msg9562#msg9562
date=1578583555]
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=729.msg9556#msg9556
date=1578543913]
> Pain and suffering is only experienced in the earth as an
earthly being, whether animal or human. The pain and the
suffering that Jesus experienced is real and He experienced
every human experience, emotional or not. Jesus had doubt in His
faith, as we do. Jesus Christ is God in the flesh in the earth
as a man and God as a man. I can make perfect sense of this as
much as anyone possibly can with discernment from the Holy
Spirit and the information in God's words.
>
--- End Quote ---
Now, we’ve hit a point that I’m not sure that I understand how
Jesus could be fully God in his moments of doubt. Things like
that are what this whole idea is about really.
Since you hold to Him being both fully God and Fully man, please
explain what you can from both perspectives. It’s something I’ve
never understood.
[/quote]I used to say and think that Jesus Christ was diminished
or made lower concerning His Divinity WHILE IN THE EARTH AS A
MAN. This seems to be what many people believe as well.
[/quote]
Jesus was not diminished while He was on earth....As He was a
Man he is already in the image of GOD...... It is apparent
throughout the scriptures that Jesus was unaware who HE
was..;..Yes, He could have called down the armies of Heaven to
stop the crucifixion but He did not.....At an early AGE, He knew
who His father was....and He through John and others preaches
that His father is the only GOD........We see this changes as
after he is resurrected and knows who He is actually is....On
the Cross, He did not know because of the Asking"Why have you
forsaken me" and yet, in the end did know.
Fully Man,,,,because of His Birth of WOMAN and Fully GOD because
He was the seed of Himself..........
Blade
#Post#: 9573--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
DIR By: guest5
Date: January 9, 2020, 8:36 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> I used to say and think that Jesus Christ was diminished or
made lower concerning His Divinity WHILE IN THE EARTH AS A MAN.
This seems to be what many people believe as well.
>
--- End Quote ---
See, I honestly think it’s hard to get to this kind of talking
point in the discussion from the usual way of approaching the
deity thing. Somewhere, I think it gets mistakenly read as being
antagonistic if I were to start off by going “If Jesus was God,
then Explain x,y,z”. Granted, some people are just antagonistic
lol, but it’s hard to have a discussion when you’re always
trying to go for the throat.
#Post#: 9574--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
DIR By: guest5
Date: January 9, 2020, 8:56 pm
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
>
> What a topic....One could go bananas thinking about this one
topic...
>
> To answer your question: He was born of woman, therefore HE is
"Fully" Human, a man.
>
> Blade
>
--- End Quote ---
It can definitely make you think, and maybe even overthink. It
comes from something that’s been in the back of my mind for 10
years or more, a part that I never had any idea how to work on
by myself actually because I didn’t know what it was. I’ll take
a break from the backstory for a minute.
Typically if we go the direction of the born of woman thing...
we get diverted into something like “well, at best he was a
hybrid then” and if not that direction then you’ll usually
explain the original sin angle, which I’m sure is a planned
diversion from the guy who doesn’t believe in deity in a
standard conversation come to think of it lol.
#Post#: 9575--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
DIR By: guest5
Date: January 9, 2020, 9:13 pm
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
>
> Jesus was not diminished while He was on earth....As He was a
Man he is already in the image of GOD...... It is apparent
throughout the scriptures that Jesus was unaware who HE
was..;..Yes, He could have called down the armies of Heaven to
stop the crucifixion but He did not.....At an early AGE, He knew
who His father was....and He through John and others preaches
that His father is the only GOD........We see this changes as
after he is resurrected and knows who He is actually is....On
the Cross, He did not know because of the Asking"Why have you
forsaken me" and yet, in the end did know.
>
> Fully Man,,,,because of His Birth of WOMAN and Fully GOD
because He was the seed of Himself..........
>
> Blade
>
--- End Quote ---
I would have never guessed in a million years that you would say
something like this. It’s the only way I could get the deity and
humanity of Jesus to work in my head together back then.
To me, if Jesus was God, in any capacity, I don’t think that
Jesus could have known it while he walked the Earth as a man.
Any other suggestion I have ever tried, made the concept just
feel completely...wrong.
I’ve got to take a break because the subject can definitely
scramble your brain, but thanks for joining in.
#Post#: 9576--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
DIR By: guest8
Date: January 9, 2020, 9:15 pm
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--- Quote from: Jon Wood link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=729.msg9564#msg9564
date=1578615963]
>
> What a topic....One could go bananas thinking about this one
topic...
>
> To answer your question: He was born of woman, therefore HE is
"Fully" Human, a man.
>
> Blade
>
--- End Quote ---
It can definitely make you think, and maybe even overthink. It
comes from something that’s been in the back of my mind for 10
years or more, a part that I never had any idea how to work on
by myself actually because I didn’t know what it was. I’ll take
a break from the backstory for a minute.
Typically if we go the direction of the born of woman thing...
we get diverted into something like “well, at best he was a
hybrid then” and if not that direction then you’ll usually
explain the original sin angle, which I’m sure is a planned
diversion from the guy who doesn’t believe in deity in a
standard conversation come to think of it lol.
[/quote]
I think your research may be lacking a little. lol (see blue
above)
I believe in the deity of Christ.
Before we get started....Do you believe you are fully Human????
Yet, you have the Holy Spirit within you, who is fully
GOD........
Are you not Fully Man.???.....Not a hybrid??
If we were able to test the DNA of Jesus, what do you think we
would find.??..All of Man and none of GOD (simply because we do
not have GOD's DNA)...
Yet, if something was included or changed, we would assign that
anomaly to GOD.....??
I think you will find I go in different directions than
standard.
Blade
#Post#: 9577--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
DIR By: guest5
Date: January 9, 2020, 9:39 pm
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Jon Wood link=topic=729.msg9574#msg9574
date=1578625019]
>
> It can definitely make you think, and maybe even overthink. It
comes from something that’s been in the back of my mind for 10
years or more, a part that I never had any idea how to work on
by myself actually because I didn’t know what it was. I’ll take
a break from the backstory for a minute.
>
> Typically if we go the direction of the born of woman thing...
we get diverted into something like “well, at best he was a
hybrid then” and if not that direction then you’ll usually
explain the original sin angle, which I’m sure is a planned
diversion from the guy who doesn’t believe in deity in a
standard conversation come to think of it lol.
>
--- End Quote ---
I think your research may be lacking a little. lol (see blue
above)
I believe in the deity of Christ.
Before we get started....Do you believe you are fully Human????
Yet, you have the Holy Spirit within you, who is fully
GOD........
Are you not Fully Man.???.....Not a hybrid??
If we were able to test the DNA of Jesus, what do you think we
would find.??..All of Man and none of GOD (simply because we do
not have GOD's DNA)...
Yet, if something was included or changed, we would assign that
anomaly to GOD.....??
I think you will find I go in different directions than
standard.
Blade
[/quote]
Lol, I think we missed each other somewhere. I am not saying
that YOU don’t believe in the deity of Jesus in the blue
portion. Somebody, (me in this case) that does not believe in
the deity of Jesus and wants to approach the subject like I
started by accepting the premise that He is God, and now the
other side (yours) is to show to him (me) Jesus is a man. That
is the premise I wanted to experiment with to see what might be
different in the deity talk, but I haven’t been that great in
the follow through.
I think you’ve missed somewhere that I haven’t considered myself
exactly a Christian in quite some time, the reasons are more
complicated than just the deity thing and I hope it doesn’t
change how you think of me. I’ve considered you a friend for a
long time and was sure you knew by now. If we can get past that
I definitely welcome more discussion.
To your points on the hybrid note, I must say that I had not
considered that before and I think it very interesting.
#Post#: 9579--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: January 9, 2020, 9:55 pm
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Jon get your ass back here.
#Post#: 9580--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
DIR By: guest5
Date: January 9, 2020, 10:00 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> Jon get your ass back here.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes?
#Post#: 9588--------------------------------------------------
Re: An Experimental Approach to a Long Accepted Belief
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: January 10, 2020, 3:18 am
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--- Quote from: Jon Wood link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=729.msg9579#msg9579
date=1578628522]
> Jon get your ass back here.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yes?
[/quote]LOL, kiddin' bro - why don't you believe in God and
Jesus Christ? What keeps you from believing?
✝🕊⛪🙏🛐
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