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#Post#: 6715--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: patrick jane Date: June 29, 2019, 11:21 am
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Good thread.
#Post#: 6961--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: patrick jane Date: July 11, 2019, 5:55 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=72.msg6715#msg6715
date=1561825318]
Good thread.
[/quote]Simply amazing.
#Post#: 11535--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: Billy Evmur Date: April 3, 2020, 10:01 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=72.msg6321#msg6321
date=1560352242]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=72.msg6301#msg6301
date=1560333501]
Tell us more you two old farts. ;D 💋
[/quote]
The disagreement between Billy and I is simple. Billy literally
and correctly reads that "all of Israel" will be saved. I
believe the same yet, there are those verses that dictate just
who is "all of Israel" during this time period.
The very definition of "remnant" to me is "what is left" from a
previous whole. If I take out ten apples from a bushel, I no
longer have a bushel but the remnant of a bushel. "What is left
of a bushel" (Google def:"a small remaining quantity of
something/ remaining.")
In Zechariah 13:8-9.(KJV).."And it shall come to pass, that in
all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off
and die; but the third shall be left therein.". In this chapter,
the Lord is speaking of His people, Israel before and during
the millennium. Here two thirds of them will die...(Keep in mind
that 6 million died in WWII, a scant one third of the population
worldwide.)
v 9. "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will
refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is
tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will
say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God."
Here we are told that He will bring the surviving 1/3 of Israel
through a cleansing fire (Great Tribulation , Rev 12).
These are and will be the remnant of Israel.... "All of Israel"
Blade
[/quote]
You begin in Zechariah 13 v 8
Verse 7 says
Awake O sword against My Shepherd and against the man who is My
fellow saith the Lord of hosts, smite the Shepherd and the sheep
will be scattered and I will turn My hand against the little
ones
verse and it shall come to pass that in all the land saith the
Lord 2 parts shall be cut off and die but the 1/3 shall be left
therein.
So when was the Shepherd smitten and the sheep scattered?
John says the prophecy was fulfilled at the cross.
#Post#: 11542--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest8 Date: April 3, 2020, 3:12 pm
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=72.msg11535#msg11535
date=1585926096]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=72.msg6321#msg6321
date=1560352242]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=72.msg6301#msg6301
date=1560333501]
Tell us more you two old farts. ;D 💋
[/quote]
The disagreement between Billy and I is simple. Billy literally
and correctly reads that "all of Israel" will be saved. I
believe the same yet, there are those verses that dictate just
who is "all of Israel" during this time period.
The very definition of "remnant" to me is "what is left" from a
previous whole. If I take out ten apples from a bushel, I no
longer have a bushel but the remnant of a bushel. "What is left
of a bushel" (Google def:"a small remaining quantity of
something/ remaining.")
In Zechariah 13:8-9.(KJV).."And it shall come to pass, that in
all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off
and die; but the third shall be left therein.". In this chapter,
the Lord is speaking of His people, Israel before and during
the millennium. Here two thirds of them will die...(Keep in mind
that 6 million died in WWII, a scant one third of the population
worldwide.)
v 9. "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will
refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is
tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will
say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God."
Here we are told that He will bring the surviving 1/3 of Israel
through a cleansing fire (Great Tribulation , Rev 12).
These are and will be the remnant of Israel.... "All of Israel"
Blade
[/quote]
You begin in Zechariah 13 v 8
Verse 7 says
Awake O sword against My Shepherd and against the man who is My
fellow saith the Lord of hosts, smite the Shepherd and the sheep
will be scattered and I will turn My hand against the little
ones
verse and it shall come to pass that in all the land saith the
Lord 2 parts shall be cut off and die but the 1/3 shall be left
therein.
So when was the Shepherd smitten and the sheep scattered?
John says the prophecy was fulfilled at the cross.
[/quote]
No, John did not say that about the Cross.
Blade,
#Post#: 11559--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: Billy Evmur Date: April 4, 2020, 4:15 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=72.msg11542#msg11542
date=1585944763]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=72.msg11535#msg11535
date=1585926096]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=72.msg6321#msg6321
date=1560352242]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=72.msg6301#msg6301
date=1560333501]
Tell us more you two old farts. ;D 💋
[/quote]
The disagreement between Billy and I is simple. Billy literally
and correctly reads that "all of Israel" will be saved. I
believe the same yet, there are those verses that dictate just
who is "all of Israel" during this time period.
The very definition of "remnant" to me is "what is left" from a
previous whole. If I take out ten apples from a bushel, I no
longer have a bushel but the remnant of a bushel. "What is left
of a bushel" (Google def:"a small remaining quantity of
something/ remaining.")
In Zechariah 13:8-9.(KJV).."And it shall come to pass, that in
all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off
and die; but the third shall be left therein.". In this chapter,
the Lord is speaking of His people, Israel before and during
the millennium. Here two thirds of them will die...(Keep in mind
that 6 million died in WWII, a scant one third of the population
worldwide.)
v 9. "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will
refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is
tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will
say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God."
Here we are told that He will bring the surviving 1/3 of Israel
through a cleansing fire (Great Tribulation , Rev 12).
These are and will be the remnant of Israel.... "All of Israel"
Blade
[/quote]
You begin in Zechariah 13 v 8
Verse 7 says
Awake O sword against My Shepherd and against the man who is My
fellow saith the Lord of hosts, smite the Shepherd and the sheep
will be scattered and I will turn My hand against the little
ones
verse and it shall come to pass that in all the land saith the
Lord 2 parts shall be cut off and die but the 1/3 shall be left
therein.
So when was the Shepherd smitten and the sheep scattered?
John says the prophecy was fulfilled at the cross.
[/quote]
No, John did not say that about the Cross.
Blade,
[/quote]
Then saith Jesus unto them "all ye will be offended because of
Me this night for it is written I will smite the Shepherd and
the sheep of His flock shall be scattered abroad"
I beg your pardon it was Matthew who said it, nay the Lord
Himself. Matthew.26.31.
Other evangelist say when the disciples fled from the cross
"this was to fulfil the scripture."
#Post#: 11574--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest8 Date: April 4, 2020, 4:29 pm
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=72.msg11559#msg11559
date=1585991758]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=72.msg11542#msg11542
date=1585944763]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=72.msg11535#msg11535
date=1585926096]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=72.msg6321#msg6321
date=1560352242]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=72.msg6301#msg6301
date=1560333501]
Tell us more you two old farts. ;D 💋
[/quote]
The disagreement between Billy and I is simple. Billy literally
and correctly reads that "all of Israel" will be saved. I
believe the same yet, there are those verses that dictate just
who is "all of Israel" during this time period.
The very definition of "remnant" to me is "what is left" from a
previous whole. If I take out ten apples from a bushel, I no
longer have a bushel but the remnant of a bushel. "What is left
of a bushel" (Google def:"a small remaining quantity of
something/ remaining.")
In Zechariah 13:8-9.(KJV).."And it shall come to pass, that in
all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off
and die; but the third shall be left therein.". In this chapter,
the Lord is speaking of His people, Israel before and during
the millennium. Here two thirds of them will die...(Keep in mind
that 6 million died in WWII, a scant one third of the population
worldwide.)
v 9. "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will
refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is
tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will
say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God."
Here we are told that He will bring the surviving 1/3 of Israel
through a cleansing fire (Great Tribulation , Rev 12).
These are and will be the remnant of Israel.... "All of Israel"
Blade
[/quote]
You begin in Zechariah 13 v 8
Verse 7 says
Awake O sword against My Shepherd and against the man who is My
fellow saith the Lord of hosts, smite the Shepherd and the sheep
will be scattered and I will turn My hand against the little
ones
verse and it shall come to pass that in all the land saith the
Lord 2 parts shall be cut off and die but the 1/3 shall be left
therein.
So when was the Shepherd smitten and the sheep scattered?
John says the prophecy was fulfilled at the cross.
[/quote]
No, John did not say that about the Cross.
Blade,
[/quote]
Then saith Jesus unto them "all ye will be offended because of
Me this night for it is written I will smite the Shepherd and
the sheep of His flock shall be scattered abroad"
I beg your pardon it was Matthew who said it, nay the Lord
Himself. Matthew.26.31.
Other evangelist say when the disciples fled from the cross
"this was to fulfil the scripture."
[/quote]
Billy, Jesus was speaking to his apostles right after the last
supper... The Shepard is himself and the apostles are the
sheep....OH MY.....read the context. PLEASE....you are way off
Blade
That's what I keep telling YOU. you keep saying the prophecy
relates to the Jews in the last times but Jesus said it relates
to Him and the infant church.
God is NOT scattering the Jews He is GATHERING them and He will
gather them ALL from the four corners, the time of scattering is
past. He can't be doing both can He? He can't be scattering them
and gathering them at the same time.
#Post#: 11597--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: Billy Evmur Date: April 5, 2020, 5:04 pm
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Read what scripture says "this was to fulfil scripture"
#Post#: 11621--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest8 Date: April 6, 2020, 7:14 pm
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=72.msg11597#msg11597
date=1586124289]
Read what scripture says "this was to fulfil scripture"
[/quote]
I tried???
Blade
#Post#: 16085--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: patrick jane Date: August 12, 2020, 7:17 am
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;)
#Post#: 16544--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: Billy Evmur Date: August 22, 2020, 7:25 am
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God is not scattering Israel He is gathering Israel, He is not
punishing them He is defending them.
He can't both be scattering them and gathering at the same time.
"He shall smite the Shepherd of the flock and the sheep will be
scattered" was fulfilled in Jesus who IS the Shepherd of Israel,
He was smitten and Israel was scattered. For 2,000 years they
were wanderers in the earth. Now they have their homeland back.
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