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#Post#: 1791--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest8 Date: October 23, 2018, 7:53 pm
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=72.msg1765#msg1765
date=1540234421]
The restored Israel has nothing to do with Schoffield or Darby,
all the church fathers taught that at the last Israel would be
brought in. Oh yes you jump about, you zing in on anything that
shows Israel's fall, which none of us deny, but you are blind to
all the prophets who ever spoke concerning Israel's restoration.
Much more importantly Paul taught it...in the very passages you
quote to show their fall.
It was not known by the reformation because the RCC was anti
semite [as are YOU] and this carried over, Luther was anti
semite.
You fail to understand the promise to the seed from Abe's loin
is the land, the ends of the earth, not heavenly, the heavenly
promise is for the Christ seed which does include Abe, Ike and
Jake.
God said to Abraham "count the stars, for numbers so shall your
seed be" God also said "for number your seed shall be as sand on
the seashore" The heavenly or spiritual and the earthly. The
heavenly seed is Christ.
[/quote]
[glow=blue,2,300]Billy..2/3 of Israel will die during Jacob's
trouble and He (God)will protect the other 1/3.[/glow]
[glow=blue,2,300]Zechariah 13:8-9[/glow] -" And it shall come to
pass in all the land," Says the LORD, "That two-thirds in it
shall be cut off and die, But one-third shall be left in it: I
will bring the one-third through the fire, Will refine them as
silver is refined, And test them as gold is tested. They will
call on My name, And I will answer them. I will say, 'This is My
people'; And each one will say, 'The LORD is my God.' "
[glow=blue,2,300]Blade
[/glow]
#Post#: 1795--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: Billy Evmur Date: October 24, 2018, 2:35 am
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[font=georgia]So you keep saying dear Bade...later Zecharia
speaks about Israel's restoration.
And Jremiah says Jacob will be saved, will be at peace, and none
shall make him afraid, he will even be in prosperity for every
man shall sit under his fig tree and under his vine.
All this in the time of Jacob's trouble.
Even Dan.12 states by open scripture that at that time of
trouble Michael shall stand up for his people to deliver them.
WHY THEN is it called "Jacob's trouble"?
It is called Jacob's trouble because it is trouble coming upon
the nations on account of Israel, it is the time of vengeance
against Israel's enemies, the time of Israel's vindication. The
time when Jerusalem will become a cup to make the nations reel.
Surely you see Zech.13. which speaks about "on that day a
fountain shall be opened for the house of David and the
inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleaness", when he
speaks about the Shepherd being smitten and the sheep scattered
he is speaking about Christ's first appearance and the cross.
But Zech.14 takes a different tack and is talking a day which is
coming when
YES Jerusalem will be attacked and taken into captivity with
women raped and houses rifled and half the city will go into
captivity
verse 3.
THEN the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations as
when He fought in the day of battle.
In chapter 13 He is punishing Israel and scattering them but
then in chapter 14. He fights for them.
They are different prophecies concerning different
events.[/font]
#Post#: 1810--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest8 Date: October 24, 2018, 6:28 pm
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=72.msg1795#msg1795
date=1540366521]
[font=georgia]So you keep saying dear Bade...later Zecharia
speaks about Israel's restoration.
And Jremiah says Jacob will be saved, will be at peace, and none
shall make him afraid, he will even be in prosperity for every
man shall sit under his fig tree and under his vine.
All this in the time of Jacob's trouble.
Even Dan.12 states by open scripture that at that time of
trouble Michael shall stand up for his people to deliver them.
WHY THEN is it called "Jacob's trouble"?
It is called Jacob's trouble because it is trouble coming upon
the nations on account of Israel, it is the time of vengeance
against Israel's enemies, the time of Israel's vindication. The
time when Jerusalem will become a cup to make the nations reel.
Surely you see Zech.13. which speaks about "on that day a
fountain shall be opened for the house of David and the
inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleaness", when he
speaks about the Shepherd being smitten and the sheep scattered
he is speaking about Christ's first appearance and the cross.
But Zech.14 takes a different tack and is talking a day which is
coming when
YES Jerusalem will be attacked and taken into captivity with
women raped and houses rifled and half the city will go into
captivity
verse 3.
THEN the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations as
when He fought in the day of battle.
In chapter 13 He is punishing Israel and scattering them but
then in chapter 14. He fights for them.
They are different prophecies concerning different
events.[/font]
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Isa is perhaps the best History of the Jewish
people throughout the early times and the end times. Isa does
not do anything in chronological order but Rev 6 onward is
there. In Rev it is simply in chronological order.
How many times throughout History was Jerusalem held in
captivity only to return to their land. Many
How many times were the Jewish people placed in diaspora
(dispersed) around the world, only to return to their land?
ONE- 1948
How many times has other ethtnic groups, countries, etc. been
lost to diaspora and have been assimilated in the country they
wound up in? Many (i.e northern Jewish kingdom)
How many of these groups have come back to their country with
their own identity as Israel has done. NONE
A remnant of the Jewish People will be saved but these people
will all be believers that Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD and is
the Messiah. This is a big part of what Daniel's 70th week is
for. To place the Jewish people (UP AGAINST the WALL) in order
for them to understand just who Jesus really is.
2/3 of the population, as told to us in scriptures, WILL DIE!
The saved 1/3 will live during the "Kingdom of Heaven" or the
Millennium.
anything specifically you would like to get down and explore?
Blade [/shadow]
#Post#: 1812--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: Billy Evmur Date: October 24, 2018, 8:55 pm
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[font=georgia]I have shown you where we disagree....[/font]
#Post#: 1825--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest8 Date: October 25, 2018, 7:01 pm
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=72.msg1812#msg1812
date=1540432519]
[font=georgia]I have shown you where we disagree....[/font]
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]After reading your last post two or three
times; I have to say: Yes, we do disagree.
BUT what is in a minor disagreement! Nothing. Will catch you
later Mr. Billy.
Have a great day!
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 5648--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: patrick jane Date: May 15, 2019, 2:11 pm
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Billy is too old. He has no time for this forum. He has his own
thing going on. God bless him.
#Post#: 5707--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: Billy Evmur Date: May 18, 2019, 3:33 pm
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zzzzz eh? whut? who pushed my rocking chair? … gimme back my
blanket
#Post#: 5749--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest8 Date: May 19, 2019, 9:46 pm
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=72.msg5707#msg5707
date=1558211588]
zzzzz eh? whut? who pushed my rocking chair? … gimme back my
blanket
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]LOL...Billy save me a rocker and a blanket
too.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 6301--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: patrick jane Date: June 12, 2019, 4:58 am
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Tell us more you two old farts. ;D💋
#Post#: 6321--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest8 Date: June 12, 2019, 10:10 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=72.msg6301#msg6301
date=1560333501]
Tell us more you two old farts. ;D💋
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]The disagreement between Billy and I is
simple. Billy literally and correctly reads that "all of Israel"
will be saved. I believe the same yet, there are those verses
that dictate just who is "all of Israel" during this time
period.
The very definition of "remnant" to me is "what is left" from a
previous whole. If I take out ten apples from a bushel, I no
longer have a bushel but the remnant of a bushel. "What is left
of a bushel" (Google def:"a small remaining quantity of
something/ remaining.")
In Zechariah 13:8-9.(KJV).."And it shall come to pass, that in
all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off
and die; but the third shall be left therein.". In this chapter,
the Lord is speaking of His people, Israel before and during
the millennium. Here two thirds of them will die...(Keep in mind
that 6 million died in WWII, a scant one third of the population
worldwide.)
v 9. "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will
refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is
tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will
say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God."
Here we are told that He will bring the surviving 1/3 of Israel
through a cleansing fire (Great Tribulation , Rev 12).
These are and will be the remnant of Israel.... "All of Israel"
Blade[/shadow]
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