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#Post#: 1297--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest2 Date: September 30, 2018, 9:29 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=72.msg866#msg866
date=1536624935]
[quote author=1Mind1Spirit link=topic=72.msg852#msg852
date=1536560160]
I'm neither preterist nor futurist.
I just cannot logically call Jesus the anti-Christ.
Jesus caused the oblation to cease when he was crucified.
[/quote]
Hey 1Mind1Spirit, don't believe I called you a Futurist. That
would make you like me or close..????
HTML https://3169.createaforum.com/Smileys/users/3169/grin.gif
Preterist are ones who incorporate the Nation of Israel into the
CHurch instead of God having two plans He only has one.
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Rem, Jesus cannot marry Israel as She is a divorced woman.
[color=orange]you said:"I just cannot logically call Jesus the
anti-Christ.
Jesus caused the oblation to cease when he was crucified."
How anyone call Jesus the Anti-Christ...Oh, wait a minute, I
know.. Daniel 9:26 Don't see how you are getting that from this
verse either?
How did Jesus Cause the OBLATION (worship) to cease out of
Daniel 9:27 which is in Daniel's 70th week?
Oh well, Hope you have a great evening
Blade[/color]
[/quote]
Why would you think Jesus' sacrifice didn't count for another 30
some odd years?
#Post#: 1298--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest2 Date: September 30, 2018, 9:35 pm
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=72.msg834#msg834
date=1536513210]
This is that great crowd which no man could number which
suddenly appeared in glory which John saw, who had palm branches
in their hand and had washed their robes and made them
white...these are imo martyrs.
In the previous chapter the martyrs under the altar cried for
justice and were told to wait until they should be joined by
their fellow brethren martyrs, they were given white robes. This
huge multitude which now appeared are these martyrs.
[/color][/size][/font]
[/quote]
Nope.
These are those who believe in Christ,
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=72.msg834#msg834
date=1536513210]In the previous chapter the martyrs under the
altar cried for justice and were told to wait until they should
be joined by their fellow brethren martyrs, they were given
white robes. This huge multitude which now appeared are these
martyrs. [/color][/size][/font][/quote]
These are those slain from righteous Abel until the destruction
of Jerusalem.
#Post#: 1300--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest8 Date: September 30, 2018, 10:22 pm
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[quote author=1Mind1Spirit link=topic=72.msg1297#msg1297
date=1538360958]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=72.msg866#msg866
date=1536624935]
[quote author=1Mind1Spirit link=topic=72.msg852#msg852
date=1536560160]
I'm neither preterist nor futurist.
I just cannot logically call Jesus the anti-Christ.
Jesus caused the oblation to cease when he was crucified.
[/quote]
Hey 1Mind1Spirit, don't believe I called you a Futurist. That
would make you like me or close..????
HTML https://3169.createaforum.com/Smileys/users/3169/grin.gif
Preterist are ones who incorporate the Nation of Israel into the
CHurch instead of God having two plans He only has one.
HTML https://3169.createaforum.com/Smileys/users/3169/undecided.gif
Rem, Jesus cannot marry Israel as She is a divorced woman.
[color=orange]you said:"I just cannot logically call Jesus the
anti-Christ.
Jesus caused the oblation to cease when he was crucified."
How anyone call Jesus the Anti-Christ...Oh, wait a minute, I
know.. Daniel 9:26 Don't see how you are getting that from this
verse either?
How did Jesus Cause the OBLATION (worship) to cease out of
Daniel 9:27 which is in Daniel's 70th week?
Oh well, Hope you have a great evening
Blade[/color]
[/quote]
Why would you think Jesus' sacrifice didn't count for another 30
some odd years?
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left] DO WHAT? did not count? It counted in the
next days after His resurrection.
Daniel's 9:27 is a prophecy if I am hearing right?
God (the Father) is the one who divorced Israel and is the one
to remarry HER.
Jesus' Bride is HIS Church (believers in His Gospel)
(1 Cor 15:1-4) during the Dispensation of Grace period., This
started at Acts 2 and will end with the Rapture of the Church to
Heaven.
You Said:How did Jesus Cause the OBLATION (worship) to cease out
of Daniel 9:27 which is in Daniel's 70th week?
Jesus did not cause it, the Pseudo Christ did. You are reading
Daniel 9:27 wrong. Let me try to explain:
Daniel 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah
[color=blue](prior to Prince in next line)be cut off, but not
for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall
destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be
with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are
determined."[/color]
Daniel 9:27.."And he shall confirm the covenant with many for
one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the
sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading
of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the
consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the
desolate."
We see in verse 27:" he" is the antecedent to the previous
paragraph, verse Daniel 9:26.
Define "ANECEDENT" a thing or event that existed before or
logically precedes another.
In Daniel 9:26. ".... and the people of the prince that
shall..." is the Antecedent not the "Messiah" which was before
the Prince.
What I am saying is grammatically correct. If you do not
believe, please consult a English teacher.
It is the Pseudo-Christ that will be from ancestry of the people
that were with Titus in 70AD. These people were of Assyrian
Ancestry. So will be the Pseudo Christ. Another Nimrod first
King of the first Empire (Assyrian).
Jesus Christ was and is still in heaven awaiting the fullness of
the Church. Not the gentiles but the Church.
The Fullness of the Gentiles will not be until the end of
Daniel's 70th week. Armageddon will remove all gentiles from
Jerusalem thus the (Fullness of the Gentiles).
1Mind1SPirit, there are many, many scholars and others that
agree with my explanation of the Pseudo Christ and who HE will
be. Keep in mind that there was NO AOD during the 70 AD
destruction of Jerusalem. The temple was set fire by the priest
within as was the city itself. However, the Romans after seeing
this, decided to burn the rest adding insult to injury.
Again, the temple was burnt. Titus nor anyone else defiled the
Holy of Holies within its walls while they were standing that
is.
Hang in there my friend.
Blade
[/shadow]
#Post#: 1381--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: Scripter Date: October 3, 2018, 8:10 am
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Very good blade,
You should do the same with the rest, however, the Daniel
passage dissolves into a generation, as I see it. I mean the
desolation coming like a flood. Given that there was already a
major rebellion (a messianic zealot one) in 6 during the census
(Acts 5), the country could have gone up in smoke anytime from
then to 66, when the final one started.
#Post#: 1421--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest8 Date: October 4, 2018, 5:57 pm
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[quote author=Scripter link=topic=72.msg1381#msg1381
date=1538572213]
Very good blade,
You should do the same with the rest, however, the Daniel
passage dissolves into a generation, as I see it. I mean the
desolation coming like a flood. Given that there was already a
major rebellion (a messianic zealot one) in 6 during the census
(Acts 5), the country could have gone up in smoke anytime from
then to 66, when the final one started.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Final What started. In 70 AD the temple was
burnt to the ground, Jerusalem, the city itself is not
completely destroyed and there is still a Jewish presence there.
There is simply no rebellion.
The meaning of desolate empty, to include people, etc. A desert
while has many tribes traveling over it, has places that have
not seen people in a while. No nothing except maybe rodents live
there. This is desolate.
The AOD did not take place in 70 AD and the se3cond one has not
taken place yet. The first one was in 167 BC.
The church was married to the State (world went Christian)
around 300 AD and Jerusalem was completely destroyed and PLOWED
UNDER in 135AD. This is when the remaining Jewish population was
under diaspora throughout the world.
I know you think the Jews are part of the CHurch now but Jesus
tells us in Romans 9,10 and 11 their past, presence and future.
To dispute the Lord's WORD would not be a good idea.
The desolation like a Flood is used in Rev. and means the hordes
of gentiles armies that are being held off by the antichrist's
covenant during the first half of Daniel's 70th week. These
armies are probably as bad as the roman armies were in ancient
times. Pillage, Rape, killing babies (although the US does that
efficiently enough today), killing men, women and children that
do not believe as they do. Does this remind you of anything in
the US today. The Liberal left has the same mindset. If you do
not agree with them, then you are dirt under their feet. one
step away from pulling the trigger in order to get their way. It
is coming very soon,,,I suspect sooner than anyone suspects. ARE
YOU READY!
Blade
[/shadow]
#Post#: 1745--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: Scripter Date: October 21, 2018, 12:59 pm
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"I know you think the Jews are part of the church now."
You are a very confused person.
To have faith in the Gospel of Christ's righteousness is to be a
believer. God is working with believers, not unbelievers. It
does not matter what gender, race or DNA the person is any more.
That is neither for nor against them. Rom 11:30: he has shown
all men bound to sin, that he might have mercy on them all.
Race, gender, class does not matter.
#Post#: 1749--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: Billy Evmur Date: October 21, 2018, 1:18 pm
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Well you say I am confused. But you play scriptural hopscotch,
you accept one line of scripture and then reject the next, this
one, you say, is literal but this next one must be symbolic
because it doesn't fit into my doctrine.
I accept it all...except where it is obviously a metaphor or
parable, even then the truths taught are literal.
You say Israel is laid aside, I accept they are, the scripture
clearly teaches it. But the very same passage of scripture which
says they are now rejected says they will be accepted, now they
are diminished but they will attain to fulness. They are now
grafted out of their vine but they will be grafted back in.
So the upshot is Paul teaches "all Israel will be saved." why do
you only accept half scriptures.
#Post#: 1754--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest8 Date: October 21, 2018, 7:54 pm
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=72.msg1749#msg1749
date=1540145906]
Well you say I am confused. But you play scriptural hopscotch,
you accept one line of scripture and then reject the next, this
one, you say, is literal but this next one must be symbolic
because it doesn't fit into my doctrine.
I accept it all...except where it is obviously a metaphor or
parable, even then the truths taught are literal.
You say Israel is laid aside, I accept they are, the scripture
clearly teaches it. But the very same passage of scripture which
says they are now rejected says they will be accepted, now they
are diminished but they will attain to fulness. They are now
grafted out of their vine but they will be grafted back in.
So the upshot is Paul teaches "all Israel will be saved." why do
you only accept half scriptures.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Billy: are you speaking to me or
'Scripter'.... I don't want to get in if you are arguing His
points views
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 1758--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: Scripter Date: October 21, 2018, 8:35 pm
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You are seeing D'ism when you read that is not in the text.
What it actually says is that those who are in now are there by
faith. That is, they are justified. He quoted Isaiah about
(his) now.
Nowhere in Romans or the NT does 'saved' mean a restored Israel.
There is no interest or concern about it that I know of. They
would like to have seen it miss the destructive events of the
6th decade, but it was pretty much inevitable, and then there
was Dan 9.
To say information on the 1000 in Rev 20 is scant does not mean
I'm jumping around with it. Or around it. It means there is
too little info when compared with the NHNE which dates as far
back as Isaiah.
The 'restored Israel' episode you imagine was never known in the
Reformation, and it was concocted by 2 guys who said the Bible
did not make sense, even though they were standing at the end of
200 years of reformation teaching. So they came up with their
system or liked what they saw in Ribera's! When they got done
they unleashed more nonsense and conflict and discord than was
ever in the Reformation.
#Post#: 1765--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: Billy Evmur Date: October 22, 2018, 1:53 pm
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The restored Israel has nothing to do with Schoffield or Darby,
all the church fathers taught that at the last Israel would be
brought in. Oh yes you jump about, you zing in on anything that
shows Israel's fall, which none of us deny, but you are blind to
all the prophets who ever spoke concerning Israel's restoration.
Much more importantly Paul taught it...in the very passages you
quote to show their fall.
It was not known by the reformation because the RCC was anti
semite [as are YOU] and this carried over, Luther was anti
semite.
You fail to understand the promise to the seed from Abe's loin
is the land, the ends of the earth, not heavenly, the heavenly
promise is for the Christ seed which does include Abe, Ike and
Jake.
God said to Abraham "count the stars, for numbers so shall your
seed be" God also said "for number your seed shall be as sand on
the seashore" The heavenly or spiritual and the earthly. The
heavenly seed is Christ.
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