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#Post#: 729--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest8 Date: September 3, 2018, 9:40 pm
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=72.msg698#msg698
date=1535881769]
70 WEEKS, (DANIEL IS A VERY DIFFICULT BOOK TO INTERPRET, LIKE
THE APOCALYPSE THE INTERPRETATIONS ARE LEGION)
62 WEEKS ENDED WITH THE MESSIAH BEING CUT OFF, IT IS IN THIS
PERIOD BETWEEN THE 62ND WEEK AND THE 69TH WEEK WE SEE THE PEOPLE
OF THE PRINCE WHO IS TO COME [ANTICHRIST] CAME IN AND DESTROYED
THE CITY AND THE TEMPLE. THAT IS WHEN THE CHRISTRIANS FLED TO
PETRA AND 2/3 OF JEWS WERE KILLED.
THERE IS ONE WEEK YET REMAINING, IN THAT WEEK (7 YEARS) THERE
WILL BE A TREATY BETWEEN THE PRINCE WHO IS TO COME (ANTICHRIST)
AND ISRAEL, AFTER 3 AND 1/2 YEARS HE WILL BREAK THAT TREATY AND
INVADE ISRAEL.
THAT IS WHEN THE ABOMINATION WILL TAKE PLACE AND WHEN CHRIST
DESCENDS FROM HEAVEN WITH A SHOUT AND THE RAP TAKES
PLACE...ANTICHRIST IS DESTROYED AND THE DAY OF THE LORD BEGINS.
THE CHURCH WILL HAVE ENDURED ANTICHRIST'S REIGN, BUT ISRAEL WILL
HAVE HAD A TREATY DURING THE 3 AND 1/2 YEARS
[/quote]
Billy: Are you are speaking of the of the Macabellion Revolt
because of the Abomination of Desolate caused by Antiochus
Epiphanes.
Likewise in the 70 AD prophecy of Jesus Christ, there were no
Christians that died as they Believed Jesus and Fled when the
Roman Army surrounded the city.
The Jews who did not believe did not leave and died. It was NOT
2/3 of the Population as they were then scattered all across the
earth in every different nation only to come back (Dry Bones
Prophecy) to their own land in 1948.
OH, there was no Abomination of Desolate during 70 AD. The
temple BURNT to the Ground, some (Josephus) say the temple was
set on fire by the priest to protect it from the soldiers.
Because it burnt to the ground, the heat melted the Gold inlaid
in the walls, ceiling, etc.. This is why the soldiers were told
by Gen Titus to move every stone to get the gold.
Yes, there was soldiers praying to their Idols while they were
huddled around the eastern Gate but this was NOT, I repeat NOT
an Abomination of Desolate. This could only happen in the Holy
of Holies and it was destroyed by fire.
Blade
#Post#: 734--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: Billy Evmur Date: September 4, 2018, 5:55 pm
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[font=georgia]We might just be missing each other in passing
Blade because we read Dan differently, do you see a gap at the
69th week? that means there is 1 more week left, I understand,
I'm afraid every commentator reads it differently, but as I
understand, that in that week which is 7 years and is still
future the temple will be built, in the time of trouble, that is
the tribulation.
Antichrist will be in control everywhere but he will have a 7
year treaty or pact with Israel but he will break it after 31/2
years and invade, his sitting in the temple will be the
abomination and the Lord will destroy him at His coming.[/font]
#Post#: 736--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest8 Date: September 4, 2018, 8:16 pm
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=72.msg734#msg734
date=1536101712]
[font=georgia]We might just be missing each other in passing
Blade because we read Dan differently, do you see a gap at the
69th week? that means there is 1 more week left, I understand,
I'm afraid every commentator reads it differently, but as I
understand, that in that week which is 7 years and is still
future the temple will be built, in the time of trouble, that is
the tribulation.
Antichrist will be in control everywhere but he will have a 7
year treaty or pact with Israel but he will break it after 31/2
years and invade, his sitting in the temple will be the
abomination and the Lord will destroy him at His coming.[/font]
[/quote]
HI Billy... and a good evening to you sir!
Yes, I do read Daniel a little different than you. The 69 weeks
brings us to the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ
and stops there.
The 70th week is prophesied in Dan 9:27.. and you have
generalized it very well,. lol...
How do you read it differently? Just inquisitive. Each verse is
independent of the others.
Gabriel told Daniel right, Jesus appeared on that very day 69
weeks or 173,880 days, April 6, 32AD, from the command to
rebuild Jerusalem, the temple and "the city wall and streets"
was given on March 14, 445 B.C. by Artaxerxes Longimanus.
Blade
#Post#: 744--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: Billy Evmur Date: September 5, 2018, 8:45 am
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[font=georgia]Yo
What I fail to see is where you get the 2/3s from at the time of
the end....of course you are Pretrib, I am definitely Post [as
was Jesus :P]
A crucial understanding is 9.26. and the people of the prince
who is to come [i]some people believe this prince who is to come
is the Lord, but no it is Antichrist.
So the prince who is to come Antichrist is future but the people
of the prince who is to come [the Romans] were those who
destroyed the temple and the city thus the prophesied 2/3s.
But it is Antichrist who is yet to come who will have a covenant
with Israel for one week, or seven years but will break it after
3 and 1/2 years.
This is the tribulation 7 years but Israel will be in peace,
having a peace treaty with Ac while the rest of the world is in
utter turmoil, so we see the tribulation period cut short as the
Lord prophesied "lest all flesh should perish" so more correctly
I am mid-trib rapture.
But I srael escapes which is totally in line with Jeremiah 30
and with Dan.12.
Thanks for your imput :)[/i][/font]
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Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest8 Date: September 5, 2018, 10:00 pm
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=72.msg744#msg744
date=1536155127]
[font=georgia]Yo
What I fail to see is where you get the 2/3s from at the time of
the end....of course you are Pretrib, I am definitely Post [as
was Jesus :P]
A crucial understanding is 9.26. and the people of the prince
who is to come [i]some people believe this prince who is to come
is the Lord, but no it is Antichrist.
So the prince who is to come Antichrist is future but the people
of the prince who is to come [the Romans] were those who
destroyed the temple and the city thus the prophesied 2/3s.
But it is Antichrist who is yet to come who will have a covenant
with Israel for one week, or seven years but will break it after
3 and 1/2 years.
This is the tribulation 7 years but Israel will be in peace,
having a peace treaty with Ac while the rest of the world is in
utter turmoil, so we see the tribulation period cut short as the
Lord prophesied "lest all flesh should perish" so more correctly
I am mid-trib rapture.
But I srael escapes which is totally in line with Jeremiah 30
and with Dan.12.
Thanks for your imput :)[/i][/font]
[/quote]
Billy, [The people of the prince], was not the Romans. This was
the eastern leg of ROME and they employed not Roman soldiers but
local people who could sign up for service in the Roman Army and
become a roman citizen. Thus people throughout the middle east
the Assyrians or other locals. Micah 5 tells us the anti-christ
will be an Assyrian. Remember NIMROD, the First Assyrian King
and leader of an empire. Would not the Anti-Christ be the Last
Leader of an Empire. (the One world Empire)??
The Anti-christ will be of Assyrian dissent.
The anti-christ will (enforce) as covenant with Israel and WHO
(Death and HELL) Isaiah 28:14-18). This covenant will allow the
Jewish people to rebuild the temple in search of the Messiah
they so long ago killed on the Cross.
There are many more prophecies that will affect Israel and GOD
will save them everytime. God himself tells us He will save a
Remnant (1/3 the size of the population when Daniel’s 70th week
begins)
As far as post and mid trib Raptures, Jesus did not tell HIS
BRIDE (the Church) that she would be beaten up and killed before
He could take her to the marriage supper.
Blade
#Post#: 834--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: Billy Evmur Date: September 9, 2018, 12:13 pm
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[font=georgia]Riiight….the remnant are the church Jews, the
apostles et al.
I really cannot agree that Jesus did not warn His bride about
the great end time persecution [aka the great tribulation] it is
for His name's sake we will be hated by all.
It cannot be the Jews...no way
for children will deliver up parents unto death and parents the
children. This kind of persecution must be horrific beyond our
imagination that parents will deliver up their children to
death.
Now think
If the persecution is coming upon the Jews because they are
Jewish then the parents would be betraying themselves also, for
if the children are Jewish then the parents must be Jewish also.
Similarly if the children deliver up the parents to death.
No this persecution is coming upon the church...I do not expect
to be raptured [actually I'll prolly get run over by a bus] but
if I don't and if I don't die of old age I fully expect to be
martyred.
This is that great crowd which no man could number which
suddenly appeared in glory which John saw, who had palm branches
in their hand and had washed their robes and made them
white...these are imo martyrs.
In the previous chapter the martyrs under the altar cried for
justice and were told to wait until they should be joined by
their fellow brethren martyrs, they were given white robes. This
huge multitude which now appeared are these martyrs. [/font]
#Post#: 842--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest2 Date: September 9, 2018, 3:05 pm
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Those of Israel who were to escape the destruction of Jerusalem
escaped.
Those who were to be martyred because they were hated by both
Jews and Gentiles were martyred.
There is no "missing" 70th week.
Christ was crucified in the middle of it.
#Post#: 849--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest8 Date: September 9, 2018, 6:30 pm
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[quote author=1Mind1Spirit link=topic=72.msg842#msg842
date=1536523519]
Those of Israel who were to escape the destruction of Jerusalem
escaped.
Those who were to be martyred because they were hated by both
Jews and Gentiles were martyred.
There is no "missing" 70th week.
Christ was crucified in the middle of it.
[/quote]
Ah, 1Mind1Spirit, has a Ammillist-preterist Theology. Hope this
finds you well.
Have always argued against your theology. Got to ask WHY do you
think this way when overwhelming evidence supports the
prophecies of the BIBLE?
JUst asking and hope you have a great evening.[color=yellow]
Blade[/color]
#Post#: 852--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest2 Date: September 10, 2018, 1:16 am
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I'm neither preterist nor futurist.
I just cannot logically call Jesus the anti-Christ.
Jesus caused the oblation to cease when he was crucified.
#Post#: 866--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
By: guest8 Date: September 10, 2018, 7:15 pm
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[quote author=1Mind1Spirit link=topic=72.msg852#msg852
date=1536560160]
I'm neither preterist nor futurist.
I just cannot logically call Jesus the anti-Christ.
Jesus caused the oblation to cease when he was crucified.
[/quote]
Hey 1Mind1Spirit, don't believe I called you a Futurist. That
would make you like me or close..????
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Preterist are ones who incorporate the Nation of Israel into the
CHurch instead of God having two plans He only has one.
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Rem, Jesus cannot marry Israel as She is a divorced woman.
[color=orange]you said:"I just cannot logically call Jesus the
anti-Christ.
Jesus caused the oblation to cease when he was crucified."
How anyone call Jesus the Anti-Christ...Oh, wait a minute, I
know.. Daniel 9:26 Don't see how you are getting that from this
verse either?
How did Jesus Cause the OBLATION (worship) to cease out of
Daniel 9:27 which is in Daniel's 70th week?
Oh well, Hope you have a great evening
Blade[/color]
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