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The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: August 21, 2018, 4:50 am
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The Great Tribulation must not be mixed up with God's wrath, no
blood bought soul will ever have to suffer the wrath of God, no
matter how backslidden they are.
The Great Tribulation is that period in history [yet to come]
mentioned only a few times in scriptures, In Daniel, in our
Lord's Mt Olivet sermon and in Jeremiah where it is called the
time of "Jacob's trouble"
Let's look at what God says in Jeremiah and see if we could see
something we didn't see before. :)
Jeremiah 30:5
For thus saith the Lord, we have heard a voice of trembling, of
fear and not peace.
Ask ye now and see whether a man doth travail with child?
wherefore do I see every man with his hands upon his loins as a
woman in travail and all faces are turned to paleness?
Alas for that day is great so that none is like it, it is even
the time of Jacob's trouble
BUT
...he shall be saved out of it
for it shall come to pass in that day saith the Lord of hosts
that I will break his yoke from off thy neck and will burst thy
bonds and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him. But
they shall serve the Lord their God and David their king whomI
will raise up to them
Therefore FEAR YE NOT o My servant Jacob saith the Lord NEITHER
BE DISMAYED o Israel for lo I will SAVE THEE from afar and thy
seed from the land of their captivity
And Jacob shall return AND SHALL BE IN REST and BE QUIET and
NONE SHALL MAKE HIM AFRAID
For I am with thee saith the Lord to SAVE THEE, though I make a
full end of the nations, but I will correct thee in measure and
I will not leave thee altogether unpunished.
#Post#: 552--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: August 21, 2018, 5:08 am
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This scripture is fully borne out in Dan.12
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great Prince which
standeth for thy people. And there shall be a time of trouble
such as never was since there was a nation even to that time and
at that time THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED, everyone that shall
be found written in the book.
#Post#: 553--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: August 21, 2018, 5:19 am
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WHY then is it called the time of Jacob's trouble?
In Jeremiah we clearly see the people are in dread fear...God
asks "WHY? why are you afraid? this is the time of your
VINDICATION...I'm gunna break the yoke off of your neck, you'll
be SAVED, you'll be IN PEACE, you'll be AT REST, NONE SHALL MAKE
YOU AFRAID.
It is called the time of Jacob's trouble because the trouble is
coming upon the nations ON JACOB'S BEHALF.
Watch this close now, for it shows who will and who will not go
through the Great Tribulation.
He says it is not the MAN who travails in childbirth it is the
WOMAN who travails in childbirth
See...Israel is God's firstborn son, the church is His Bride
And the PURPOSE of our travail, the Great Tribulation is to give
birth, spiritual birth to the nation of Israel.
#Post#: 554--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
DIR By: Sasha
Date: August 21, 2018, 5:26 am
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> The Great Tribulation must not be mixed up with God's wrath,
no blood bought soul will ever have to suffer the wrath of God,
no matter how backslidden they are.
>
> The Great Tribulation is that period in history [yet to come]
mentioned only a few times in scriptures, In Daniel, in our
Lord's Mt Olivet sermon and in Jeremiah where it is called the
time of "Jacob's trouble"
>
> Let's look at what God says in Jeremiah and see if we could
see something we didn't see before. :)
>
> Jeremiah 30:5
> For thus saith the Lord, we have heard a voice of trembling,
of fear and not peace.
> Ask ye now and see whether a man doth travail with child?
wherefore do I see every man with his hands upon his loins as a
woman in travail and all faces are turned to paleness?
>
> Alas for that day is great so that none is like it, it is even
the time of Jacob's trouble
> BUT
> ...he shall be saved out of it
>
> for it shall come to pass in that day saith the Lord of hosts
that I will break his yoke from off thy neck and will burst thy
bonds and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him. But
they shall serve the Lord their God and David their king whomI
will raise up to them
>
> Therefore FEAR YE NOT o My servant Jacob saith the Lord
NEITHER BE DISMAYED o Israel for lo I will SAVE THEE from afar
and thy seed from the land of their captivity
>
> And Jacob shall return AND SHALL BE IN REST and BE QUIET and
NONE SHALL MAKE HIM AFRAID
>
> For I am with thee saith the Lord to SAVE THEE, though I make
a full end of the nations, but I will correct thee in measure
and I will not leave thee altogether unpunished.
>
--- End Quote ---
When scripture interprets scripture, and one is conformed by
scriptural view, this really is the only possible meaning of
these passages.
#Post#: 566--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
DIR By: joechan82
Date: August 21, 2018, 10:16 am
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Good topic.
Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon
thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end
of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring
in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and
prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
The verse above must speak of a yet future event, because Jesus
will be anointed. I believe that this is His anointing as king.
I also believe that Israel will also be purged of her
nonbelieving elements during this 70th week. Look at how many
die in the earthquakes in Israel during that week. Many Jews
will also be saved during this time.
#Post#: 578--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: August 22, 2018, 6:24 am
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Christ is anointed, in fact Christ means anointed, He HAS made
an end of sins and made reconciliation for iniquities, He has
brought in everlasting righteousness.
The vision and the prophecy is now sealed up in Christ. The most
holy is anointed.
But Christ was cut off after 62 weeks, all that happened to the
Jews happened between the 62 and the 69th week...the word is
desolations not earthquake.
Now look you can't mix up prophecies :)
There in all the Prophets we see the early prophecies concerning
Israel and the later prophecies, these later prophecies are
usually designated "in the last days" or "in the latter times"
The early prophecies deal with the FALL of Israel and the later
prophecies deal with the RISE of Israel, there are prophecies of
judgement and punishment, banishment and prophecies of gathering
and blessing. God can't be doing both these things at the same
time, He is either judging them or He is blessing them and
keeping them safe, He can't be scattering them and gathering
them too.
So what do we see God doing now? He is gathering them, and He IS
protecting them, we can actually SEE this with our own eyes.
#Post#: 586--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
DIR By: guest8
Date: August 22, 2018, 2:55 pm
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> Christ is anointed, in fact Christ means anointed, He HAS made
an end of sins and made reconciliation for iniquities, He has
brought in everlasting righteousness.
>
> The vision and the prophecy is now sealed up in Christ. The
most holy is anointed.
>
> But Christ was cut off after 62 weeks, all that happened to
the Jews happened between the 62 and the 69th week...the word is
desolations not earthquake.
>
> Now look you can't mix up prophecies :)
>
> There in all the Prophets we see the early prophecies
concerning Israel and the later prophecies, these later
prophecies are usually designated "in the last days" or "in the
latter times"
>
> The early prophecies deal with the FALL of Israel and the
later prophecies deal with the RISE of Israel, there are
prophecies of judgement and punishment, banishment and
prophecies of gathering and blessing. God can't be doing both
these things at the same time, He is either judging them or He
is blessing them and keeping them safe, He can't be scattering
them and gathering them too.
>
> So what do we see God doing now? He is gathering them, and He
IS protecting them, we can actually SEE this with our own eyes.
>
--- End Quote ---
How are you defining earlier and later prophecies?
Blade
#Post#: 588--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: August 22, 2018, 7:06 pm
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[color=limegreen]OK, so not hard and fast, but if we read
Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel for eg we see in the early portions
God is dealing with Israel according to the rebelliousness,
punishing them and warning them of being scattered or driven
out. But then we read the later portions where God promises to
restore them and bring them home and bless them and protect
them.
He can't be doing both at the same time. Jacob's trouble is all
about Antichrist's invasion of Jerusalem with his armies, but
God is going to come and fight for Israel. It is the time of
Israel's vindication.[/color]
#Post#: 589--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
DIR By: guest8
Date: August 22, 2018, 9:01 pm
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> [color=limegreen]OK, so not hard and fast, but if we read
Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel for eg we see in the early portions
God is dealing with Israel according to the rebelliousness,
punishing them and warning them of being scattered or driven
out. But then we read the later portions where God promises to
restore them and bring them home and bless them and protect
them.
>
> He can't be doing both at the same time. Jacob's trouble is
all about Antichrist's invasion of Jerusalem with his armies,
but God is going to come and fight for Israel. It is the time of
Israel's vindication.[/color]
>
--- End Quote ---
The hordes will be outside the city when the antichrist (son of
Perdition) declares the AOD. Those Jews who believe in Jesus
Christ and are alive, will flee the city as Jesus told them to
do. They will flee to Petra. At around the same time, Michael is
throwing Satan out of Heaven. Yes, Satan still has access in
heaven even after all these years.
WHen Satan comes to earth, the antichritst (man of sin) will
have been fatally wounded. Satan will take over His body and
mimic the resurrection Jesus did 2000 years ago. The AOD will
then Happen.
God will protect the Jewish people fleeing Jerusalem and will
feed and water them at that place. Rev 12.
Please keep in mind, 2/3 of the Jewish people's population at
that time will die during Daniel's 70th week with most of them
dying during ' Jacob's trouble',the Great tribulation spoken of
by Jesus, last 3 1/2 years of Daniel's 70tyh week.
The Remnant (1/3) will be at Petra.
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If by chance a post rapture happens, then all those left on
earth after the wicked are killed off will be believers. These
believers include all the church, tribulation Believers left on
earth including the Jewish people and the OT saints. All these
plus those dead in all categories (in Christ) will be
resurrected and receive translated Bodies. In other words,
everyone will be as Jesus is.
No one will have a mortal body. No one will need the Fruit from
the Tree of Life that is in the Garden of Eden.
Who will populate the earth's millennium. HUM..... So much for
prophecy. Thus, if one small error is contained within the Bible
prophecy, then we simply need to throw it out along with the GOD
who authored it?
Happily, it will not happen that way. All prophecy will happen
as it is literally written and the Millennium will be lead by
the very GOD whose Love and Grace has embraced us and forgiven
our sins. Jesus Christ.
#Post#: 698--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Jews to be kept SAFE during the Great Tribulation
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: September 2, 2018, 4:49 am
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70 WEEKS, (DANIEL IS A VERY DIFFICULT BOOK TO INTERPRET, LIKE
THE APOCALYPSE THE INTERPRETATIONS ARE LEGION)
62 WEEKS ENDED WITH THE MESSIAH BEING CUT OFF, IT IS IN THIS
PERIOD BETWEEN THE 62ND WEEK AND THE 69TH WEEK WE SEE THE PEOPLE
OF THE PRINCE WHO IS TO COME [ANTICHRIST] CAME IN AND DESTROYED
THE CITY AND THE TEMPLE. THAT IS WHEN THE CHRISTRIANS FLED TO
PETRA AND 2/3 OF JEWS WERE KILLED.
THERE IS ONE WEEK YET REMAINING, IN THAT WEEK (7 YEARS) THERE
WILL BE A TREATY BETWEEN THE PRINCE WHO IS TO COME (ANTICHRIST)
AND ISRAEL, AFTER 3 AND 1/2 YEARS HE WILL BREAK THAT TREATY AND
INVADE ISRAEL.
THAT IS WHEN THE ABOMINATION WILL TAKE PLACE AND WHEN CHRIST
DESCENDS FROM HEAVEN WITH A SHOUT AND THE RAP TAKES
PLACE...ANTICHRIST IS DESTROYED AND THE DAY OF THE LORD BEGINS.
THE CHURCH WILL HAVE ENDURED ANTICHRIST'S REIGN, BUT ISRAEL WILL
HAVE HAD A TREATY DURING THE 3 AND 1/2 YEARS
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