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#Post#: 9449--------------------------------------------------
Paradoxes of Calvinism vs. Armenianism: Comments
By: guest8 Date: January 1, 2020, 8:47 pm
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Throughout the Doctrines of the Bible, there appear to be
Paradoxes. The definition of a paradox is: "1. : a tenet (": a
principle, belief, or doctrine generally held to be true")...
contrary to received opinion. 2. : a statement that is
seemingly contradictory or opposed to common sense and yet is
perhaps true"
The Bible tells us in Rom 8:29-30 that GOD elected (predestined)
those He foreknew to Justification and Glorification....
Yet in the same Bible, the same testament, He also tells us in
John 3:16 that whosoever believeth in Jesus Christ shall be
saved.
How does one resolve or do you resolve a paradox.
'In the words of another ' [sup]1[/sup]
Do you believe that GOD is sovereign in Salvation????? (the
right answer is YES)
Do you believe that GOD Predestined those He chooses????? (the
right answer is YES)
DO you believe that Man has the responsibility to reach
out/believe to/in Jesus????? (the right answer is YES)
Do you believe GOD takes no pleasure in the judgement and death
of the wicked????? (the right answer is YES)
Do you believe that Man is responsible if Man does not come to
everlasting life????? (the right answer is YES)
Do you believe that Who so ever believes will be saved?????(the
right answer is YES)
Do you believe that Jesus Wept for the wicked?????(the right
answer is YES)
Do you believe man should persist in his faith until Jesus
returns????? (the right answer is YES)
All of the ABOVE is what the Bible says.....
THEN How can you resolve/Harmonize these seemingly paradoxes????
The right answer?????We cannot for we do not know as we have not
been told in the Bible.
If you think you know how GOD thinks, what He knows then you are
placing Man's sovereignty over that of GOD's sovereignty
My answer is I don't know and don't even worry about what I
cannot fix or change as I will not add, remove, change, delete
what scripture says
*******
Who wrote Romans?????The right answer is I do not Know?
WHY?????All of Paul, all of his words, all His punctuation, all
his thoughts, all of GOD?????
YET, Paul does not seem to be mechanical in our Bibles does
He?????
*****
Here are a few personal questions?????
Is GOD responsible for your Christian life today?????Your going
to blame HIM for your Christian life? REALLY
Are You responsible for your Christian life today?????Are you
sure, Really
These are hard questions to answer and it is pretty much what
Paul stated in the Galatians 2:20 (KJV) for He had the same
problem...He could not answer it either.
[color=red].."I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live;
yet not I,..."
In these words of Paul,,,,He did not know either?????
"but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the
flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and
gave himself for me."
NO doubt this is a divine mystery...as Paul states, its all of
me and all of Him and all that is wrong is me and all that is
right is HIM.
The Bible tells us that we are kept secure in HIS hands yet we
are commanded to preserver in faith.....How do you resolve this
paradox
The answer: YOU DO NOT for only GOD KNOWS!!!!!
There are many more seemingly paradoxes in the Bible.... One for
each Doctrine the Bible gives us.....Do we resolve them----NO!
or LET GOD resolve them.....YES!
Blade
1. excerpts taken from a youtube video "Calvinism vs.
...........Arminianism", John MacArthur[/color]
#Post#: 9528--------------------------------------------------
Re: Apparent Paradoxes of Bible--Calvinism vs Arminianism
By: patrick jane Date: January 6, 2020, 9:26 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=719.msg9449#msg9449
date=1577933220]
Throughout the Doctrines of the Bible, there appear to be
Paradoxes. The definition of a paradox is: "1. : a tenet (": a
principle, belief, or doctrine generally held to be true")...
contrary to received opinion. 2. : a statement that is
seemingly contradictory or opposed to common sense and yet is
perhaps true"
The Bible tells us in Rom 8:29-30 that GOD elected (predestined)
those He foreknew to Justification and Glorification....
Yet in the same Bible, the same testament, He also tells us in
John 3:16 that whosoever believeth in Jesus Christ shall be
saved.
How does one resolve or do you resolve a paradox.
'In the words of another ' [sup]1[/sup]
Do you believe that GOD is sovereign in Salvation????? (the
right answer is YES)
Do you believe that GOD Predestined those He chooses????? (the
right answer is YES)
DO you believe that Man has the responsibility to reach
out/believe to/in Jesus????? (the right answer is YES)
Do you believe GOD takes no pleasure in the judgement and death
of the wicked????? (the right answer is YES)
Do you believe that Man is responsible if Man does not come to
everlasting life????? (the right answer is YES)
Do you believe that Who so ever believes will be saved?????(the
right answer is YES)
Do you believe that Jesus Wept for the wicked?????(the right
answer is YES)
Do you believe man should persist in his faith until Jesus
returns????? (the right answer is YES)
All of the ABOVE is what the Bible says.....
THEN How can you resolve/Harmonize these seemingly paradoxes????
The right answer?????We cannot for we do not know as we have not
been told in the Bible.
If you think you know how GOD thinks, what He knows then you are
placing Man's sovereignty over that of GOD's sovereignty
My answer is I don't know and don't even worry about what I
cannot fix or change as I will not add, remove, change, delete
what scripture says
*******
Who wrote Romans?????The right answer is I do not Know?
WHY?????All of Paul, all of his words, all His punctuation, all
his thoughts, all of GOD?????
YET, Paul does not seem to be mechanical in our Bibles does
He?????
*****
Here are a few personal questions?????
Is GOD responsible for your Christian life today?????Your going
to blame HIM for your Christian life? REALLY
Are You responsible for your Christian life today?????Are you
sure, Really
These are hard questions to answer and it is pretty much what
Paul stated in the Galatians 2:20 (KJV) for He had the same
problem...He could not answer it either.
[color=red].."I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live;
yet not I,..."
In these words of Paul,,,,He did not know either?????
"but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the
flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and
gave himself for me."
NO doubt this is a divine mystery...as Paul states, its all of
me and all of Him and all that is wrong is me and all that is
right is HIM.
The Bible tells us that we are kept secure in HIS hands yet we
are commanded to preserver in faith.....How do you resolve this
paradox
The answer: YOU DO NOT for only GOD KNOWS!!!!!
There are many more seemingly paradoxes in the Bible.... One for
each Doctrine the Bible gives us.....Do we resolve them----NO!
or LET GOD resolve them.....YES!
Blade
1. excerpts taken from a youtube video "Calvinism vs.
...........Arminianism", John MacArthur[/color]
[/quote]I agree with you 100% and when I began to realize these
things I stopped debating people.
#Post#: 9533--------------------------------------------------
Re: Apparent Paradoxes of Bible--Calvinism vs Arminianism
By: guest8 Date: January 7, 2020, 9:36 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=719.msg9528#msg9528
date=1578367608]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=719.msg9449#msg9449
date=1577933220]
Throughout the Doctrines of the Bible, there appear to be
Paradoxes. The definition of a paradox is: "1. : a tenet (": a
principle, belief, or doctrine generally held to be true")...
contrary to received opinion. 2. : a statement that is
seemingly contradictory or opposed to common sense and yet is
perhaps true"
The Bible tells us in Rom 8:29-30 that GOD elected (predestined)
those He foreknew to Justification and Glorification....
Yet in the same Bible, the same testament, He also tells us in
John 3:16 that whosoever believeth in Jesus Christ shall be
saved.
How does one resolve or do you resolve a paradox.
'In the words of another ' [sup]1[/sup]
Do you believe that GOD is sovereign in Salvation????? (the
right answer is YES)
Do you believe that GOD Predestined those He chooses????? (the
right answer is YES)
DO you believe that Man has the responsibility to reach
out/believe to/in Jesus????? (the right answer is YES)
Do you believe GOD takes no pleasure in the judgement and death
of the wicked????? (the right answer is YES)
Do you believe that Man is responsible if Man does not come to
everlasting life????? (the right answer is YES)
Do you believe that Who so ever believes will be saved?????(the
right answer is YES)
Do you believe that Jesus Wept for the wicked?????(the right
answer is YES)
Do you believe man should persist in his faith until Jesus
returns????? (the right answer is YES)
All of the ABOVE is what the Bible says.....
THEN How can you resolve/Harmonize these seemingly paradoxes????
The right answer?????We cannot for we do not know as we have not
been told in the Bible.
If you think you know how GOD thinks, what He knows then you are
placing Man's sovereignty over that of GOD's sovereignty
My answer is I don't know and don't even worry about what I
cannot fix or change as I will not add, remove, change, delete
what scripture says
*******
Who wrote Romans?????The right answer is I do not Know?
WHY?????All of Paul, all of his words, all His punctuation, all
his thoughts, all of GOD?????
YET, Paul does not seem to be mechanical in our Bibles does
He?????
*****
Here are a few personal questions?????
Is GOD responsible for your Christian life today?????Your going
to blame HIM for your Christian life? REALLY
Are You responsible for your Christian life today?????Are you
sure, Really
These are hard questions to answer and it is pretty much what
Paul stated in the Galatians 2:20 (KJV) for He had the same
problem...He could not answer it either.
[color=red].."I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live;
yet not I,..."
In these words of Paul,,,,He did not know either?????
"but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the
flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and
gave himself for me."
NO doubt this is a divine mystery...as Paul states, its all of
me and all of Him and all that is wrong is me and all that is
right is HIM.
The Bible tells us that we are kept secure in HIS hands yet we
are commanded to preserver in faith.....How do you resolve this
paradox
The answer: YOU DO NOT for only GOD KNOWS!!!!!
There are many more seemingly paradoxes in the Bible.... One for
each Doctrine the Bible gives us.....Do we resolve them----NO!
or LET GOD resolve them.....YES!
Blade
1. excerpts taken from a youtube video "Calvinism vs.
...........Arminianism", John MacArthur[/color]
[/quote]I agree with you 100% and when I began to realize these
things I stopped debating people.
[/quote]
You are a good example why I keep trying to get the word
out....As long as someone finds the WORD as you.did......AWESOME
my friend and brother in Christ.
Blade
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