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The King In The Manger
By: Olde Tymer Date: December 16, 2019, 10:28 am
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● Luke 1:26-27 . . In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel
was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, to a
maiden espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of
David; and the maiden's name was Mary.
The sixth month wasn't a date on the Jews' calendar. It was
relative to the second trimester of Mary's cousin Elizabeth.
(Luke 1:24, Luke 1:36)
Nazareth is roughly 64 miles north of Jerusalem as the crow
flies, and 20 miles inland from Haifa.
Joseph's biological connection to David is extremely important
in matters related to theocratic royalty because the right to
take his throne passes down thru men.
Mary's name is equivalent to Miriam in the Old Testament: she
was Moses' sister.
NOTE: Mary and Elizabeth were biologically related to Rachel's
sister Leah by her two sons Levi and Judah. Elizabeth's name is
equivalent to Elisheba in the Old Testament; she was Aaron's
wife. All four of the Jews named in this post were biologically
related to Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham.
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Re: The King In The Manger
By: Olde Tymer Date: December 16, 2019, 10:30 am
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● Luke 1:28 . .The angel went to her and said: Greetings,
you who are highly favored!
"highly favored" is translated from the Greek word charitoo
(khar-ee-to'-o) which means to indue with special honor. It's a
rare word that appears in only one other verse in the entire New
Testament at Eph 1:6.
The angel wasn't describing Mary's character as if she was an
ultra pious Jew. He merely stated that she was the object of a
very special blessing; same as Christ's believing followers are
the objects of a very special blessing at Eph 1:6, i.e. the
angel informed Mary that she was extremely fortunate; though for
the moment she had no clue as to why.
NOTE: The Douay Rheims version of Luke 1:28 says that Mary was
"full of grace" instead of highly favored and "blessed are you
among women". Those phrases aren't translated from the Greek;
i.e. editors took the liberty to insert them because in their
opinion that's what the passage ought to say even though it
doesn't, so we can safely ignore them.
Arbitrary editing can be troublesome at times because the
practice erodes our confidence that all scripture is by
inspiration of God (2Tim 3:16, 2Pet 1:20-21). Sometimes
arbitrary editing is helpful; but other times it just muddies
the waters.
● Luke 1:29 . . She was greatly troubled at this
statement, and kept pondering what kind of salutation this might
be.
Artists generally depict the angel as a celestial being with
wings and/or aglow with some sort of ethereal light. But I don't
think that's how this one came knocking. He probably looked to
Mary no different than an ordinary man because the New Testament
Greek word for angel is aggelos (ang'-el os) which refers to all
manner of messengers, e.g. prophets (Matt 11:10), delegates
(Luke 7:24), fire (Heb 1:7), church officers (Rev 1:20-3:14),
and apparitions (Rev 22:16).
I rather suspect that Mary was a little nervous that maybe this
man talking to her wasn't some sort of crackpot.
● Luke 1:30 . . But the angel said to her: Do not be
afraid, Mary,
The New Testament Greek word for "afraid" is phobeo (fob-eh'-o)
which basically refers to fright and alarm. Mary was scared; and
who wouldn't be when a total stranger walks into your life out
of nowhere, talking crazy, and knowing your name to boot? Even
the holiest of holy men have been shaken by angels, e.g. Dan
10:15-17 and Heb 12:18-21. So Mary's reaction wasn't unusual.
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Re: The King In The Manger
By: Olde Tymer Date: December 16, 2019, 10:31 am
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● Luke 1:30 . .You have found favor with God.
The Greek word translated "favor" is charis (khar'-ece) a common
word for "grace" which, in my estimation, is best understood as
gracious; and can be defined as kind, courteous, inclined to
good will, generous, charitable, merciful, altruistic,
compassionate, thoughtful, cordial, affable, non threatening,
genial, sociable, cheerful, warm, sensitive, considerate, and
tactful.
The equivalent of charis in the Old Testament is chen (khane);
for example:
"Noah found favor in the eyes of The Lord." (Gen 6:8)
I think it fair to say that when someone has found favor with
God, it probably means that He's taken a liking to them; or at
least a personal interest; for example:
"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you." (John 15:9)
"How great is the love the Father has lavished on us, that we
should be called children of God; such is what we are." (1John
3:1)
● Luke 1:31a . . Behold,
The Greek word translated "behold" is idou (id-oo') which, in
this case, means to listen up and pay attention 'cause this is
important.
● Luke 1:31b . . you will conceive in your womb, and bear
a son.
The Greek word translated "conceive" means exactly what it says.
We're not talking about a test tube baby here. The very same
word is used at Luke 1:24 and Luke 1:36 in talking about
Elizabeth's baby.
It's amazing the number of Christians I encounter online who
honestly believe that baby Jesus was an implant. i.e. that his
mom was a surrogate mother instead of his biological mother.
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Re: The King In The Manger
By: Olde Tymer Date: December 16, 2019, 10:32 am
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Mary's baby was on track as a miracle.
● Luke 1:34-35 . . How will this be-- Mary asked the angel
--since I am a virgin? The angel answered: The Holy Spirit will
come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow
you.
The angel also said:
● Luke 1:31-32 . .You are to give him the name Jesus.
Mary's fiancé was instructed to give her baby the very same
name.
● Matt 1:20-21 . . An angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph
in a dream and said: Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to
take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is
from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are
to give him the name Jesus.
(Joseph had been contemplating breaking the engagement because
Mary was preggers with a baby that wasn't his.)
Joseph complied with the angel's instructions.
● Matt 1:24-25 . . When Joseph woke up, he did what the
angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his
wife. But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a
son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
So Christ went in the books as Joseph's son because that's how
it worked in those days when a man stood with a woman to name
her child. (cf. Luke 1:59, Luke 2:21)
From that day on; Joseph was identified by all, including Mary,
as Jesus' father. (Matt 13:55, Luke 2:27, Luke 2:41, Luke 2:48).
In other words: Joseph adopted Mary's baby as his own; which had
some legal ramifications.
Adopted children have just as much legal right to an inheritance
as a father's biological children; especially a right to the
father's name; and that's how baby Jesus got into Joseph's
genealogy at Matt 1:1-17. Had the little guy been Joseph's
foster child, or his stepchild; then it would've been fraud for
Matthew to place the boy in Joseph's genealogy.
Joseph's action wasn't without precedent. At Gen 48:5-7, Jacob
adopted his own two grandsons Manasseh and Ephraim; and by doing
so installed them in positions equal in rank, honor, power, and
privilege to his twelve original sons.
Jacob's motive for adopting Manasseh and Ephraim wasn't for
himself; it was in sympathy for his beloved wife Rachel whose
life was cut short during her child-bearing years, which
subsequently prevented her from having any more children of her
own. Ephraim and Manasseh bring Rachel's total progeny up to
six: two of her own, two by the maid Bilhah, and two by Asenath;
the wife of Jacob's son Joseph.
According to Matt 1:20, Joseph was David's progeny; thus Jesus
became David's progeny via his adoption by Joseph. Seeing as how
Joseph was also Solomon's progeny (Matt 1:6) then Jesus became
Solomon's progeny too via his adoption by Joseph. This is very
important because it is via David's son Solomon that entitlement
to the throne is inherited. (1Kgs 1:16-39)
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Re: The King In The Manger
By: Olde Tymer Date: December 17, 2019, 9:25 am
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In the beginning; God created only one human being directly from
the dust of the Earth. No other human being has ever come into
existence that way. All succeeding human beings are descendants
of that first one; including his own wife.
Eve was formed from samples of already-existing, already-created
human materials taken from Adam's body. So then organically, and
biologically, Eve was just as much Adam as Adam.
● Gen 2:23 . . Adam said: This is now bone of my bones,
and flesh of my flesh
So then, any offspring conceived by Eve's body, whether normally
conceived or virgin conceived, would also consist of bone of
Adam's bones and flesh of his flesh because that is the only
kind of human being that Eve was designed to reproduce.
Now, unless someone can prove conclusively and beyond any shadow
of sensible doubt, that Mary's body was in no way organically or
biologically related to Eve, then we must conclude that any
offspring conceived by Mary's body, whether normally conceived
or virgin conceived, would also be organically and biologically
related to Eve; and thus consist of bone of Adam's bones and
flesh of his flesh.
When you get right down to it; Mary wasn't the most important
woman in Jesus' life; it was Eve all along, from the very
beginning.
● Gen 3:14-15 . . So the Lord God said to the serpent: I
will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed
and her seed; he shall bruise you on the head, and you shall
bruise him on the heel.
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Re: The King In The Manger
By: Olde Tymer Date: December 18, 2019, 1:04 pm
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● Luke 1:31-32 . . the Lord God will give him the throne
of David his father.
When Joseph adopted Jesus into Solomon's lineage, it gave the
child a legal opportunity to inherit David's throne, but it did
not give him a natural opportunity, viz: in order to fully
qualify as a candidate for the throne, Jesus absolutely had to
be David's biological progeny.
● Ps 89:3-4 . . I have made a covenant with My chosen; I
have sworn to David My servant: I will establish your seed
forever, and build up your throne to all generations
● Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn to David, a truth from
which He will not turn back: Of the fruit of your body I will
set upon your throne.
● Ps 89:35-36 . . Once have I sworn by my holiness that I
will not lie unto David. His seed shall endure forever, and his
throne as the sun before me.
The New Testament verifies that Jesus satisfies the natural
requirement in those Psalms.
● Rom 1:1-3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of
the seed of David according to the flesh
The Greek word for "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper'-mah)
which is a bit ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual
progeny as well as to biological progeny; for example:
● Gal 3:29 . . If you belong to Christ, then you are
Abraham's seed.
That seed is obviously spiritual progeny. But the seed in Rom
1:1-3 is biological progeny because David's seed is "according
to the flesh" i.e. his physical human body.
David's seed according to the flesh not only validates Jesus'
natural candidacy for David's throne, but also verifies that
Adam was Jesus' biological progenitor because the Bible traces
David's lineage all the way back there in Luke's genealogy.
But even without Luke's contribution, it's easy to prove that
Adam was David's biological progenitor simply by referring to
the fact that all human beings, regardless of race or color, are
Adam's biological progeny; which of course includes David.
● Acts 17:26 . . From one man God made every nation of
men, that they should inhabit the whole earth.
Now, unless somebody can prove clearly, conclusively, iron clad,
and without spin and sophistry that David's body was in no way
biologically related to Adam's body, then we have to conclude
that baby Jesus' body was also biologically related to Adam's
body due to his natural descent from David.
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Re: The King In The Manger
By: Olde Tymer Date: December 19, 2019, 11:58 am
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FAQ: A king named Jeconiah is listed in Solomon's genealogy
(Matt 1:11). He was a very bad king; so bad that God pronounced
a curse on his posterity. If Jesus inherited David's throne from
Solomon, then shouldn't he have also inherited Jeconiah's curse
right along with it?
A: Yes; because the monarchy and the curse were a package. But
here's the wording of the curse.
"Thus says The Lord: Write this man down childless, a man who
will not prosper in his days; for no man of his descendants will
prosper sitting on the throne of David or ruling again in
Judah." (Jer 22:29-30)
The wording "ruling again in Judah" indicates that the curse on
Jeconiah's royal progeny was limited to the era of the divided
kingdom, with Judah in the south and Samaria in the north. That
condition came to an end when Nebuchadnezzar crushed the whole
country and led first Samaria, and then later Judah, off to
Babylonian slavery.
When Messiah reigns, the country of Israel will be unified. His
jurisdiction won't be limited to Judah within a divided kingdom,
but will dominate all the land of Israel. So the curse doesn't
extend to him.
● Ezek 37:21-22 . .You shall declare to them: Thus said
the Lord God: I am going to take the Israelite people from among
the nations they have gone to, and gather them from every
quarter, and bring them to their own land. I will make them a
single nation in the land, on the hills of Israel, and one king
shall be king of them all. Never again shall they be two
nations, and never again shall they be divided into two
kingdoms.
FAQ: I've heard it said that Jesus was virgin-born primarily to
circumvent Jeconiah's curse, viz; the curse only extends to
blood relatives. Is that true?
A: It's an attractive alternative. If perchance you should favor
it, you will be in good company because it's a common belief
held among quite a few respectable expositors.
Speaking for myself alone, I sincerely believe the opinion is an
error because adoption gives kids a standing equal to those born
in the home. Were that not true, then Jesus would have no right
to a place in Solomon's genealogy.
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Re: The King In The Manger
By: Olde Tymer Date: December 20, 2019, 12:50 pm
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● Luke 2:1-2 . . In those days Caesar Augustus issued a
decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world.
(This was the first census that took place while Quirinius was
governor of Syria.)
The historical accuracy of this particular census has been
contested by some of the Bible's critics. However, there is an
explanation that they apparently either missed or just simply
chosen to ignore. But the explanation is a bit complicated so
I'm going to skip it so we can keep moving.
● Luke 2:2-4 . . And everyone went to his own town to
register. So Joseph also; went up from the town of Nazareth in
Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he
belonged to the house and line of David.
It's one thing to belong to a house and quite another to belong
to a line. The one is legal whereas the other is biological.
For example: Jesus belonged to Solomon's house, but he didn't
belong to Solomon's line. Another example is Obed (Ruth 4:16,
Matt 1:5, and Luke 3:32). He belonged to Mahlon's house but Obed
didn't belong to Mahlon's line. (Ruth 4:9)
It's odd the language says that Joseph went "up" because
Bethlehem is to the south of Nazareth, down past Jerusalem. But
seeing as how Bethlehem is roughly 1,405 feet higher above sea
level than Nazareth, "up" seems appropriate.
The journey is roughly 68 miles as the crow flies, but was
possibly at least 80 on the ground back then. Plus, there were
no paved roads in that day, nor any diesel-powered earth moving
equipment, so you'd have to expect that the roads were tolerable
but not all that great; and if perchance it had been raining,
the roads would be even worse.
● Luke 2:5 . . He went there to register with Mary, who
was pledged to be married to him
Artist typically portray Joseph and Mary traveling together with
her mounted on a donkey. I seriously doubt it. She was carrying
a term baby so was more likely in a wagon or some sort of cart;
and padded too.
We can't really be sure that the couple traveled all alone on
the road like sad little immigrants. Everyone in Joseph's home
related to David would've been required to go to Bethlehem too,
and quite likely they all journeyed together.
At the time, Joseph and Mary were engaged but not yet married.
So she couldn't register with Joseph as man and wife. In other
words, Mary went to Bethlehem to register for herself; which
doesn't necessarily prove she was related to David seeing as how
Bethlehem was no doubt the ancestral home of quite a few other
families in Israel besides David's.
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Re: The King In The Manger
By: Olde Tymer Date: December 21, 2019, 9:42 am
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● Luke 2:6-7 . . While they were there, the time came for
the baby to be born, and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son.
She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because
there was no room for them in the inn.
According to Mic 5:2, Bethlehem back then was a tiny community
compared to many of the others in Judah; probably less than a
1,000 residents. I honestly doubt that all those had homes in
town.
When I was a boy, I lived in a mountain community of 2,000, but
the town proper itself had at most 200 actually living in it
though everyone thereabouts had the town's name in their mailing
address. As I recall there was only one motel even though a
major interstate passed right thru the middle of town so I
wouldn't be surprised if the inn spoken of in Luke 2:7 was the
only one there was.
However the Greek word for "inn" appears only three times in the
entire New Testament: one in Luke 2:7, another in Mark 14:14,
and a third in Luke 22:11. In Mark and Luke, the word speaks of
a single room: a guest chamber; i.e. a sort of bed and
breakfast. In other words: the "inn" was likely nothing more
than a spare room in a private home.
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Re: The King In The Manger
By: patrick jane Date: December 21, 2019, 9:10 pm
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