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DIR Return to: BIBLE STUDY - From The Late Lori Bolinger
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#Post#: 9176--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest8
Date: December 12, 2019, 5:36 pm
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--- Quote from: Ted T. link ---
>
> [quote author=Mschmidt54 link=topic=698.msg9163#msg9163
date=1576132528]
> Okay, I am at a big disadvantage here because I thought they
were both the same basically the same.
>
> Let's look at me, I was forced into religion and moved away
from it at the same time and lived a very sinful life. Then in
the middle of my military career after chaplain assistant
training as an additional duty I started a journey back to faith
and belief. So what am I really going through based on all of
your discussions above?
--- End Quote ---
You are probably being trained in righteousness, Heb
12:5-11...so hang onto your hat!
[/quote]
being reborn is GOD placing His Laws in your heart and mind thus
getting you to search our Jesus Christ....Salvation is different
and is always after the "Calling"
Blade
#Post#: 9213--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest24
Date: December 16, 2019, 9:52 am
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Blade I am not following you can you clarify
#Post#: 14071--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: June 8, 2020, 11:32 am
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGwYRepFqas&list=WL&index=19&t=0s
#Post#: 14093--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest58
Date: June 9, 2020, 11:04 am
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--- Quote from: Chaplain Mark Schmidt link ---
> So what am I really going through based on all of your
discussions above?
>
--- End Quote ---
Salvation is the whole process of being changed from an elect
sinner to a holy, sanctified elect, heaven ready. It starts with
being given the promise of election to be His heavenly Bride
before the world was founded and to having this promise
fulfilled in us AFTER we chose to be sinful in HIS sight, by
being sown, ie, planted, into the world of mankind, Matt
13:36-39.
Rebirth is the release from the grip of sin clouding our minds
and desires unto a life of faith with a restored free will unto
sanctification by our training in righteousness, Heb 12:5-11.
#Post#: 14094--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: June 9, 2020, 11:18 am
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--- Quote from: Ted T. link ---
>
> [quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
link=topic=698.msg9163#msg9163 date=1576132528] So what am I
really going through based on all of your discussions above?
>
--- End Quote ---
Salvation is the whole process of being changed from an elect
sinner to a holy, sanctified elect, heaven ready. It starts with
being given the promise of election to be His heavenly Bride
before the world was founded and to having this promise
fulfilled in us AFTER we chose to be sinful in HIS sight, by
being sown, ie, planted, into the world of mankind, Matt
13:36-39.
Rebirth is the release from the grip of sin clouding our minds
and desires unto a life of faith with a restored free will unto
sanctification by our training in righteousness, Heb 12:5-11.
[/quote]Great post Ted T.
#Post#: 14104--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest116
Date: June 9, 2020, 11:08 pm
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So reading all this and trying to follow this, salvation and
reborn are different but you need both in some order to get to
the ultimate goal?
So if you have a calling and you are following and pursuing it,
where are you at?
#Post#: 14110--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest8
Date: June 10, 2020, 1:08 am
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--- Quote from: Chaplain Mark Schmidt link ---
>
> So reading all this and trying to follow this, salvation and
reborn are different but you need both in some order to get to
the ultimate goal?
>
> So if you have a calling and you are following and pursuing
it, where are you at?
>
--- End Quote ---
God tells us that He Predestined and Calls those whom He
predestines.....For those who He calls, He justifies and whom He
justifies, He glorifies...
(1) He calls---- regeneration of your Heart and mind. which will
allow you to seek Jesus Christ....
(2) This call is different from His calling of a person to
become a missionary or a priest/preacher, etc.
(3).Also this "Call" is a forbearance to Rom 10:17 . Hearing the
WORD of Jesus brings the faith in Jesus Christ.
(4) Calls is separate even in the scripture from Justified.
God's Words
(5) The "Call"-regeneration (Born again) may or may not happen
near the same time of Salvation(justification). In fact it could
take years for Salvation to come about.
Blade
#Post#: 14111--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest116
Date: June 10, 2020, 1:19 am
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So if you are lying clinically dead on operating table and while
they are working to restore you, you see Christ that tells you
it is not your time yet as you have work to do for Father, are
you called or just lucky in more than the doctor's skills?
Does this then allow you to pursue salvation and more?
#Post#: 14118--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest8
Date: June 10, 2020, 9:18 am
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--- Quote from: Chaplain Mark Schmidt link ---
>
> So if you are lying clinically dead on operating table and
while they are working to restore you, you see Christ that tells
you it is not your time yet as you have work to do for Father,
are you called or just lucky in more than the doctor's skills?
>
> Does this then allow you to pursue salvation and more?
>
--- End Quote ---
Having been there trying to save a person from death, you have
touch on a very deep subject. As there are many types of
clinical death, any revival is GOD's work and His Alone...It may
be through the people who are trying to save them but it still
up to Jesus.
But that is not what you are asking....You are asking if that
person is "saved", "called" or given a 2nd chance.
(1)..The unarguable fact is that this person has received a 2nd
chance at life, taken from the grips of death itself.
(2) being called or saved is again something that I or YOU
cannot answer. Only the person and His/her actions will tell.
I can tell you from My experience, being called (born again)
being saved are two different events and do not necessarily
happen within seconds or minutes of one another. Sometimes it
takes years for this to happen...
In your question, you did not give us the information of the
time in between the miracle event and the start of this work GOD
wanted to him to do? Was it immediate or was it months and
Years.
Rom 10:17 tells us "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing
by the word of God."
However the verses 8 through 16 gives context on why this is so.
Mark...In my opinion, a person saved from the jaws of death b
Our Lord Jesus is given a 2nd chance not given to the majority
of sinners. This is the only event I can speak about with
certainty.
One other Item, Mark....We all have a specific number of days to
live on this earth...We know not when or how our Harpazo will
take place. There is one thing for certain. We will all be "On
Time" for this event.
Thanks for the conversation, be safe my Brother
Blade
#Post#: 14132--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest116
Date: June 10, 2020, 10:32 pm
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The surgery was in April 2002. His action that led me to
believe he was starting on his journey so to speak was very
gradual. It came to be apparent he was on a mission at least to
me in 2011 ish. While I still think there is confusion and fear
to go all out on his part.
I am no expert but I think he was called, has a calling, has
been reborn after that experience on operating table and I
firmly believe he has been saved.
One interesting side note. He tried to tell any who would
listen after his surgery. Only his 88 yr old mom, the doctor
and his wife would listen, everyone else laughed at him. That I
think is why it took so long for him to start his journey.
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