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DIR Return to: BIBLE STUDY - From The Late Lori Bolinger
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#Post#: 9109--------------------------------------------------
What is the difference between being born again and salvation?
DIR By: guest24
Date: December 9, 2019, 9:55 am
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I see salvation as a change in relationship from enemy of God to
child of God. Because of this belief I see salvation as a
process. A process that begins with being born (belief of the
heart) and we could add an element here of taking our first
breath (faith) and the journey that leads us to our inheritance
if we persevere and obey and grow. (which are part of our new
status)
Others here, seem to want to fight about the difference elements
of this changed relationship...so what do you think the
difference is between being born again and salvation?
#Post#: 9110--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest58
Date: December 9, 2019, 1:32 pm
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Agreed:
Salvation in full is the complete process of creating HIS people
as holy from their election to their full sanctification.
Rebirth is the start of the earthly portion whereby an elect
sinner's free will is restored and their training in
righteousness can begin. It ends with their being heaven ready
and free of the liability of being pulled up with the judgment
of the tares.
#Post#: 9111--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest8
Date: December 9, 2019, 7:07 pm
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--- Quote from: Ted T. link ---
>
> Agreed:
>
>
> Salvation in full is the complete process of creating HIS
people as holy from their election to their full sanctification.
Rebirth is the start of the earthly portion whereby an elect
sinner's free will is restored and their training in
righteousness can begin. It ends with their being heaven ready
and free of the liability of being pulled up with the judgment
of the tares.
>
--- End Quote ---
Well......Salvation by defintion is " deliverance from the power
and effects of sin"
Rebirth is regeneration of the Heart and Mind where Jesus places
His laws into them........
From that, I will let you two FREE-WILL(ers) hash it out..
Blade
#Post#: 9126--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest24
Date: December 10, 2019, 10:59 am
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I disagree with your definitions but that might be the core
difference in free will and election doctrine...or at least one
of the biggies
#Post#: 9133--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest8
Date: December 10, 2019, 6:45 pm
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> I disagree with your definitions but that might be the core
difference in free will and election doctrine...or at least one
of the biggies
>
--- End Quote ---
those definitions did not have anything to do with
Free-WIll.....which by the way means....."a person's own choice
or decision "
Blade
#Post#: 9140--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest24
Date: December 11, 2019, 7:43 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=698.msg9126#msg9126
date=1575997194]
> I disagree with your definitions but that might be the core
difference in free will and election doctrine...or at least one
of the biggies
>
--- End Quote ---
those definitions did not have anything to do with
Free-WIll.....which by the way means....."a person's own choice
or decision "
Blade
[/quote]I don't know what you mean as it applies to what I said
but okay.
#Post#: 9143--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest58
Date: December 11, 2019, 2:15 pm
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> Well......Salvation by defintion is " deliverance from the
power and effects of sin"
>
> Rebirth is regeneration of the Heart and Mind where Jesus
places His laws into them........
>
>
> From that, I will let you two FREE-WILL(ers) hash it out..
>
> Blade
--- End Quote ---
I accept these definitions because I do not believe sinners have
a free will. We lost our free will when we chose by our free
will to sin and we regain our free will when we are freed from
the enslaving addiction to sin by our rebirth.
That our free will is an absolute necessity to keep GOD at arm's
length from the creation of evil and to make us truly guilty for
being sinful, the fact that we are born sinners makes the
doctrine that we had a pre-earth existence in the Spirit world
where we chose to become sinners in HIS sight is obviously true.
#Post#: 9163--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest116
Date: December 12, 2019, 12:35 am
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Okay, I am at a big disadvantage here because I thought they
were both the same basically the same.
Let's look at me, I was forced into religion and moved away
from it at the same time and lived a very sinful life. Then in
the middle of my military career after chaplain assistant
training as an additional duty I started a journey back to faith
and belief. So what am I really going through based on all of
your discussions above?
#Post#: 9168--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest24
Date: December 12, 2019, 8:18 am
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--- Quote from: Mschmidt54 link ---
>
> Okay, I am at a big disadvantage here because I thought they
were both the same basically the same.
>
> Let's look at me, I was forced into religion and moved away
from it at the same time and lived a very sinful life. Then in
the middle of my military career after chaplain assistant
training as an additional duty I started a journey back to faith
and belief. So what am I really going through based on all of
your discussions above?
>
--- End Quote ---
To me, born again is a moment in time whereas salvation is a
process...look at it as being born is a moment in time, the
beginning of life but life itself is not being born it is just
the beginning of life. I see salvation and being born again the
same way and what I have seen in discussions is that many people
don't understand this concept which messes them up with other
doctrinal discussions such as faith alone or works....or even
Ted's assertions of pre life.
#Post#: 9175--------------------------------------------------
Re: What is the difference between being born again and
salvation?
DIR By: guest58
Date: December 12, 2019, 3:05 pm
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--- Quote from: Mschmidt54 link ---
>
> Okay, I am at a big disadvantage here because I thought they
were both the same basically the same.
>
> Let's look at me, I was forced into religion and moved away
from it at the same time and lived a very sinful life. Then in
the middle of my military career after chaplain assistant
training as an additional duty I started a journey back to faith
and belief. So what am I really going through based on all of
your discussions above?
--- End Quote ---
You are probably being trained in righteousness, Heb
12:5-11...so hang onto your hat!
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