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#Post#: 8782--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: November 13, 2019, 11:54 am
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Tambora said:
[quote]Many years ago I remember asking a Catholic why their
church didn't disembowel a fish for exorcisms like the book of
Tobit taught to do for exorcisms.
[/quote]
By dakk:
HTML https://www.bibliacatolica.com.br/new-jerusalem-bible/tobit/8/
An interesting note about that portion is that some texts read
that Raphael pursued the demon Asmodeus down to Egypt, (which
always represents the flesh in typology), and strangled or
choked him out there.
What happened to the swine in the Gospel accounts where the
demon named "Legion" was cast out into the swine? The swine
rushed down a hillside or steep place into the sea, (or lake,
Luke 8:33), and were strangled or choked out.
In the parable of the sower, the thorns do the same in those who
hear the Word but have thorns in the soil of the heart: the
thorns choke out the Word from the soil of the heart, (Mat 13:7,
Mrk 4:7, Luk 8:7). And yet the thorns are said to be the cares
of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, the riches and
pleasures of this life, and the lusts of other things entering
in, (Mat 13:22, Mrk 4:18, Luk 8:14).
Tobit 8:1-3 New Jerusalem Bible
1 When they had finished eating and drinking and it seemed time
to go to bed, the young man was taken from the dining room to
the bedroom.
2 Tobias remembered Raphael's advice; he went to his bag, took
the fish's heart and liver out of it and put some on the burning
incense.
3 The reek of the fish distressed the demon, who fled through
the air to Egypt. Raphael pursued him there, shackled him and
strangled him forthwith.
#Post#: 8783--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: November 13, 2019, 11:56 am
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Some asshole said:
Tobit is part of the authentic Old Testament canon. It is not
"apocrypha".
Tobit is accepted as part of the authentic Old Testament canon
by Eastern Orthodox, Coptics, Traditional Anglicans and
Catholics.... ....in other words almost all of Christianity.
Most scholars date the book's composition between 225 and 175
BC.
The Old Testament includes:
The Book of Tobit
The Book of Judith
The First Book of Maccabees, also called 1 Maccabees
The Second Book of Maccabees, also called 2 Maccabees
The Wisdom of Solomon, also called The Book of Wisdom
The Book of Sirach, also called Ecclesiasticus
The Book of Baruch, with the Letter of Jeremiah as its last
chapter
(The Book of Daniel and the Book of Esther are longer in
Catholic Bibles than in Protestant Bibles because they have more
stories.)
#Post#: 8784--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: November 13, 2019, 11:56 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8783#msg8783
date=1573667770]
Some asshole said:
Tobit is part of the authentic Old Testament canon. It is not
"apocrypha".
Tobit is accepted as part of the authentic Old Testament canon
by Eastern Orthodox, Coptics, Traditional Anglicans and
Catholics.... ....in other words almost all of Christianity.
Most scholars date the book's composition between 225 and 175
BC.
The Old Testament includes:
The Book of Tobit
The Book of Judith
The First Book of Maccabees, also called 1 Maccabees
The Second Book of Maccabees, also called 2 Maccabees
The Wisdom of Solomon, also called The Book of Wisdom
The Book of Sirach, also called Ecclesiasticus
The Book of Baruch, with the Letter of Jeremiah as its last
chapter
(The Book of Daniel and the Book of Esther are longer in
Catholic Bibles than in Protestant Bibles because they have more
stories.)
[/quote]By dakk:
Hi CC, fair point, feel free to discuss Tobit and debate your
point also, that is, if anyone decides to chime in and disagrees
with you. I'm glad to see someone show an interest in the topic
and post here in this thread. Thanks for you input.
#Post#: 8785--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: November 13, 2019, 11:57 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8784#msg8784
date=1573667811]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8783#msg8783
date=1573667770]
Some asshole said:
Tobit is part of the authentic Old Testament canon. It is not
"apocrypha".
Tobit is accepted as part of the authentic Old Testament canon
by Eastern Orthodox, Coptics, Traditional Anglicans and
Catholics.... ....in other words almost all of Christianity.
Most scholars date the book's composition between 225 and 175
BC.
The Old Testament includes:
The Book of Tobit
The Book of Judith
The First Book of Maccabees, also called 1 Maccabees
The Second Book of Maccabees, also called 2 Maccabees
The Wisdom of Solomon, also called The Book of Wisdom
The Book of Sirach, also called Ecclesiasticus
The Book of Baruch, with the Letter of Jeremiah as its last
chapter
(The Book of Daniel and the Book of Esther are longer in
Catholic Bibles than in Protestant Bibles because they have more
stories.)
[/quote]By dakk:
Hi CC, fair point, feel free to discuss Tobit and debate your
point also, that is, if anyone decides to chime in and disagrees
with you. I'm glad to see someone show an interest in the topic
and post here in this thread. Thanks for you input.
[/quote]Some asshole:
Thank you for the respectful response, a rarity these days for
me. LOL
You are a Messianic Jew? I guess you can appreciate the fact
that Tobit and other books were in the Septuigent before Jesus
was even born.
I contend that based on nuances in OT quotes in the Gospels,
that the apostles used the Septuigent, and therefore it should
be accepted by Christians. (Plus the fact that it was affirmed
in early 4th century councils.)
#Post#: 8786--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: November 13, 2019, 11:58 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8785#msg8785
date=1573667850]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8784#msg8784
date=1573667811]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8783#msg8783
date=1573667770]
Some asshole said:
Tobit is part of the authentic Old Testament canon. It is not
"apocrypha".
Tobit is accepted as part of the authentic Old Testament canon
by Eastern Orthodox, Coptics, Traditional Anglicans and
Catholics.... ....in other words almost all of Christianity.
Most scholars date the book's composition between 225 and 175
BC.
The Old Testament includes:
The Book of Tobit
The Book of Judith
The First Book of Maccabees, also called 1 Maccabees
The Second Book of Maccabees, also called 2 Maccabees
The Wisdom of Solomon, also called The Book of Wisdom
The Book of Sirach, also called Ecclesiasticus
The Book of Baruch, with the Letter of Jeremiah as its last
chapter
(The Book of Daniel and the Book of Esther are longer in
Catholic Bibles than in Protestant Bibles because they have more
stories.)
[/quote]By dakk:
Hi CC, fair point, feel free to discuss Tobit and debate your
point also, that is, if anyone decides to chime in and disagrees
with you. I'm glad to see someone show an interest in the topic
and post here in this thread. Thanks for you input.
[/quote]Some asshole:
Thank you for the respectful response, a rarity these days for
me. LOL
You are a Messianic Jew? I guess you can appreciate the fact
that Tobit and other books were in the Septuigent before Jesus
was even born.
I contend that based on nuances in OT quotes in the Gospels,
that the apostles used the Septuigent, and therefore it should
be accepted by Christians. (Plus the fact that it was affirmed
in early 4th century councils.)
[/quote]By dakk:
I try not to make claims of Jewishness and rather let that be up
to the Master to decide. But the reason I posted this thread
here in this section was, for one, to try to help get this
little section of the forum going, and for two, because most
here would likely consider Tobit to be apocrypha: but indeed, if
it came down to a debate, I would fall out more in agreement
with your position.
However I don't really even look at the writings that way
anymore, as far as official canons go, my "canon" includes quite
a bit more than the Protestant canon, but I don't view "outside"
books as perfect, (for example 1Enoch and 4Ezra, which have
later additions, and are more like compilations in their current
forms), even though I do study them.
Moreover even books within the current O/T canon, or which are
now considered canon by most everyone, have some great
discrepancies between the Hebrew and Septuagint texts. The book
of Esther is a good example: and I fall out on the side of the
Septuagint, there has certainly been some tinkering going on in
what we now have as the current form of the Masorete Hebrew
Text, (the Masorete pointing system is actually an
interpretation of the text, it is a commentary, the greatest
commentary ever foisted upon the Hebrew text).
As for the Septuagint no doubt the Apostolic authors quoted
either from it or from something that was very, very similar,
for many quotes are verbatim. But also no doubt Paul read,
understood, and was fluent in, at the very least, Hebrew,
probably two or three dialects of Aramaic, (for example Galilean
Aramaic was a different dialect), and Greek.
Thus someone like Paul would have been able to read both the
Hebrew text and the Septuagint; and I believe this fact comes
out in his writings, for there are even places where the N/T
authors, (not just Paul), are quietly correcting small matters
and details in the Septuagint in some instances. This should be
no surprise to anyone, and imo should be expected, since when
the LXX was rendered the Messiah had not yet come. However it is
my opinion that those who rendered the LXX-Septuagint where
much, much closer to the truth in their understanding than the
Messiah rejecting Masoretes who edited the Hebrew text, much,
much later.
#Post#: 8826--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tobit
By: guest8 Date: November 16, 2019, 5:01 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8786#msg8786
date=1573667894]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8785#msg8785
date=1573667850]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8784#msg8784
date=1573667811]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8783#msg8783
date=1573667770]
Some asshole said:
Tobit is part of the authentic Old Testament canon. It is not
"apocrypha".
Tobit is accepted as part of the authentic Old Testament canon
by Eastern Orthodox, Coptics, Traditional Anglicans and
Catholics.... ....in other words almost all of Christianity.
Most scholars date the book's composition between 225 and 175
BC.
The Old Testament includes:
The Book of Tobit
The Book of Judith
The First Book of Maccabees, also called 1 Maccabees
The Second Book of Maccabees, also called 2 Maccabees
The Wisdom of Solomon, also called The Book of Wisdom
The Book of Sirach, also called Ecclesiasticus
The Book of Baruch, with the Letter of Jeremiah as its last
chapter
(The Book of Daniel and the Book of Esther are longer in
Catholic Bibles than in Protestant Bibles because they have more
stories.)
[/quote]By dakk:
Hi CC, fair point, feel free to discuss Tobit and debate your
point also, that is, if anyone decides to chime in and disagrees
with you. I'm glad to see someone show an interest in the topic
and post here in this thread. Thanks for you input.
[/quote]Some asshole:
Thank you for the respectful response, a rarity these days for
me. LOL
You are a Messianic Jew? I guess you can appreciate the fact
that Tobit and other books were in the Septuigent before Jesus
was even born.
I contend that based on nuances in OT quotes in the Gospels,
that the apostles used the Septuigent, and therefore it should
be accepted by Christians. (Plus the fact that it was affirmed
in early 4th century councils.)
[/quote]By dakk:
I try not to make claims of Jewishness and rather let that be up
to the Master to decide. But the reason I posted this thread
here in this section was, for one, to try to help get this
little section of the forum going, and for two, because most
here would likely consider Tobit to be apocrypha: but indeed, if
it came down to a debate, I would fall out more in agreement
with your position.
However I don't really even look at the writings that way
anymore, as far as official canons go, my "canon" includes quite
a bit more than the Protestant canon, but I don't view "outside"
books as perfect, (for example 1Enoch and 4Ezra, which have
later additions, and are more like compilations in their current
forms), even though I do study them.
Moreover even books within the current O/T canon, or which are
now considered canon by most everyone, have some great
discrepancies between the Hebrew and Septuagint texts. The book
of Esther is a good example: and I fall out on the side of the
Septuagint, there has certainly been some tinkering going on in
what we now have as the current form of the Masorete Hebrew
Text, (the Masorete pointing system is actually an
interpretation of the text, it is a commentary, the greatest
commentary ever foisted upon the Hebrew text).
As for the Septuagint no doubt the Apostolic authors quoted
either from it or from something that was very, very similar,
for many quotes are verbatim. But also no doubt Paul read,
understood, and was fluent in, at the very least, Hebrew,
probably two or three dialects of Aramaic, (for example Galilean
Aramaic was a different dialect), and Greek.
Thus someone like Paul would have been able to read both the
Hebrew text and the Septuagint; and I believe this fact comes
out in his writings, for there are even places where the N/T
authors, (not just Paul), are quietly correcting small matters
and details in the Septuagint in some instances. This should be
no surprise to anyone, and imo should be expected, since when
the LXX was rendered the Messiah had not yet come. However it is
my opinion that those who rendered the LXX-Septuagint where
much, much closer to the truth in their understanding than the
Messiah rejecting Masoretes who edited the Hebrew text, much,
much later.
[/quote]
PJ.. I look+ at it like this....Since God is the author of the
whole book, If he had wanted it available to us as divinely
written, then it would be there. Nothing could stop Him from
doing this....Nothing or no one......
Look to the Lord....that is what Jesus DID!
Blade
#Post#: 10963--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: March 12, 2020, 8:01 am
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Blade, I'm not studying apocrypha, I'm just posting it here for
people that are interested.
#Post#: 13367--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: May 24, 2020, 10:31 am
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Book of Tobit
Tobit 1 [Full Chapter]
(a) The books and parts of books from Tobit through 2 Maccabees
are recognized as Deuterocanonical Scripture by the Roman
Catholic, Greek, and Russian Orthodox Churches. This book tells
the story of Tobit son of Tobiel son of Hananiel son of Aduel
son of Gabael son of Raphael son of Raguel of the descendants of
Asiel, of the tribe of Naphtali, who in the days of King
Shalmaneser of the Assyrians was taken into captivity from
Thisbe, which is to the south of Kedesh Naphtali in Upper
Galilee, above Asher toward the west, and north of Phogor. [
Tobit’s Youth and Virtuous Life ] I, Tobit, walked in the ways
of truth and righteousness all the days of my life. I performed
many acts of charity for my kindred and my people who had gone
with me in exile to Nineveh in the land of the Assyrians. ...
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Tobit 1:1(a) The books and parts of books from Tobit through 2
Maccabees are recognized as Deuterocanonical Scripture by the
Roman Catholic, Greek, and Russian Orthodox Churches. This book
tells the story of Tobit son of Tobiel son of Hananiel son of
Aduel son of Gabael son of Raphael son of Raguel of the
descendants of Asiel, of the tribe of Naphtali,
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 1:3[ Tobit’s Youth and Virtuous Life ] I, Tobit, walked in
the ways of truth and righteousness all the days of my life. I
performed many acts of charity for my kindred and my people who
had gone with me in exile to Nineveh in the land of the
Assyrians.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 2:7[ Tobit Becomes Blind ] When the sun had set, I went
and dug a grave and buried him.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 2:11[ Tobit’s Wife Earns Their Livelihood ] At that time,
also, my wife Anna earned money at women’s work.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 3:1[ Tobit’s Prayer ] Then with much grief and anguish of
heart I wept, and with groaning began to pray:
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 3:17So Raphael was sent to heal both of them: Tobit, by
removing the white films from his eyes, so that he might see
God’s light with his eyes; and Sarah, daughter of Raguel, by
giving her in marriage to Tobias son of Tobit, and by setting
her free from the wicked demon Asmodeus. For Tobias was entitled
to have her before all others who had desired to marry her. At
the same time that Tobit returned from the courtyard into his
house, Sarah daughter of Raguel came down from her upper room.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 4:1[ Tobit Gives Instructions to His Son ] That same day
Tobit remembered the money that he had left in trust with Gabael
at Rages in Media,
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 5:1[ The Angel Raphael ] Then Tobias answered his father
Tobit, “I will do everything that you have commanded me, father;
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 5:3Then Tobit answered his son Tobias, “He gave me his
bond and I gave him my bond. I divided his in two; we each took
one part, and I put one with the money. And now twenty years
have passed since I left this money in trust. So now, my son,
find yourself a trustworthy man to go with you, and we will pay
him wages until you return. But get back the money from Gabael.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 5:9So Tobias went in to tell his father Tobit and said to
him, “I have just found a man who is one of our own Israelite
kindred!” He replied, “Call the man in, my son, so that I may
learn about his family and to what tribe he belongs, and whether
he is trustworthy enough to go with you.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 5:10Then Tobias went out and called him, and said, “Young
man, my father is calling for you.” So he went in to him, and
Tobit greeted him first. He replied, “Joyous greetings to you!”
But Tobit retorted, “What joy is left for me any more? I am a
man without eyesight; I cannot see the light of heaven, but I
lie in darkness like the dead who no longer see the light.
Although still alive, I am among the dead. I hear people but I
cannot see them.” But the young man said, “Take courage; the
time is near for God to heal you; take courage.” Then Tobit said
to him, “My son Tobias wishes to go to Media. Can you accompany
him and guide him? I will pay your wages, brother.” He answered,
“I can go with him and I know all the roads, for I have often
gone to Media and have crossed all its plains, and I am familiar
with its mountains and all of its roads.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 5:11Then Tobit said to him, “Brother, of what family are
you and from what tribe? Tell me, brother.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 5:12He replied, “Why do you need to know my tribe?” But
Tobit said, “I want to be sure, brother, whose son you are and
what your name is.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 5:14Then Tobit said to him, “Welcome! God save you,
brother. Do not feel bitter toward me, brother, because I wanted
to be sure about your ancestry. It turns out that you are a
kinsman, and of good and noble lineage. For I knew Hananiah and
Nathan, the two sons of Shemeliah, and they used to go with me
to Jerusalem and worshiped with me there, and were not led
astray. Your kindred are good people; you come of good stock.
Hearty welcome!”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 5:17So Tobit said to him, “Blessings be upon you,
brother.” Then he called his son and said to him, “Son, prepare
supplies for the journey and set out with your brother. May God
in heaven bring you safely there and return you in good health
to me; and may his angel, my son, accompany you both for your
safety.” Before he went out to start his journey, he kissed his
father and mother. Tobit then said to him, “Have a safe
journey.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 5:18But his mother began to weep, and said to Tobit, “Why
is it that you have sent my child away? Is he not the staff of
our hand as he goes in and out before us?
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 5:21Tobit said to her, “Do not worry; our child will leave
in good health and return to us in good health. Your eyes will
see him on the day when he returns to you in good health. Say no
more! Do not fear for them, my sister.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 7:2He said to his wife Edna, “How much the young man
resembles my kinsman Tobit!”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 7:4She said to them, “Do you know our kinsman Tobit?” And
they replied, “Yes, we know him.” Then she asked them, “Is he in
good health?”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 9:5So Raphael with the four servants and two camels went
to Rages in Media and stayed with Gabael. Raphael gave him the
bond and informed him that Tobit’s son Tobias had married and
was inviting him to the wedding celebration. So Gabael got up
and counted out to him the money bags, with their seals intact;
then they loaded them on the camels.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 9:6In the morning they both got up early and went to the
wedding celebration. When they came into Raguel’s house they
found Tobias reclining at table. He sprang up and greeted
Gabael, who wept and blessed him with the words, “Good and noble
son of a father good and noble, upright and generous! May the
Lord grant the blessing of heaven to you and your wife, and to
your wife’s father and mother. Blessed be God, for I see in
Tobias the very image of my cousin Tobit.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 10:1[ Anxiety of the Parents ] Now, day by day, Tobit kept
counting how many days Tobias would need for going and for
returning. And when the days had passed and his son did not
appear,
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 10:6But Tobit kept saying to her, “Be quiet and stop
worrying, my dear; he is all right. Probably something
unexpected has happened there. The man who went with him is
trustworthy and is one of our own kin. Do not grieve for him, my
dear; he will soon be here.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 10:8But Raguel said to Tobias, “Stay, my child, stay with
me; I will send messengers to your father Tobit and they will
inform him about you.”
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Tobit 11:7[ Tobit’s Sight Restored ] Raphael said to Tobias,
before he had approached his father, “I know that his eyes will
be opened.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
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Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: May 24, 2020, 10:32 am
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Tobit 2 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
2 Then during the reign of Esar-haddon[a] I returned home, and
my wife Anna and my son Tobias were restored to me. At our
festival of Pentecost, which is the sacred festival of weeks, a
good dinner was prepared for me and I reclined to eat. 2 When
the table was set for me and an abundance of food placed before
me, I said to my son Tobias, “Go, my child, and bring whatever
poor person you may find of our people among the exiles in
Nineveh, who is wholeheartedly mindful of God,[b] and he shall
eat together with me. I will wait for you, until you come back.”
3 So Tobias went to look for some poor person of our people.
When he had returned he said, “Father!” And I replied, “Here I
am, my child.” Then he went on to say, “Look, father, one of our
own people has been murdered and thrown into the market place,
and now he lies there strangled.” 4 Then I sprang up, left the
dinner before even tasting it, and removed the body[c] from the
square[d] and laid it[e] in one of the rooms until sunset when I
might bury it.[f] 5 When I returned, I washed myself and ate my
food in sorrow. 6 Then I remembered the prophecy of Amos, how he
said against Bethel,[g]
“Your festivals shall be turned into mourning,
and all your songs into lamentation.”
And I wept.
Tobit Becomes Blind
7 When the sun had set, I went and dug a grave and buried him. 8
And my neighbors laughed and said, “Is he still not afraid? He
has already been hunted down to be put to death for doing this,
and he ran away; yet here he is again burying the dead!” 9 That
same night I washed myself and went into my courtyard and slept
by the wall of the courtyard; and my face was uncovered because
of the heat. 10 I did not know that there were sparrows on the
wall; their fresh droppings fell into my eyes and produced white
films. I went to physicians to be healed, but the more they
treated me with ointments the more my vision was obscured by the
white films, until I became completely blind. For four years I
remained unable to see. All my kindred were sorry for me, and
Ahikar took care of me for two years before he went to Elymais.
Tobit’s Wife Earns Their Livelihood
11 At that time, also, my wife Anna earned money at women’s
work. 12 She used to send what she made to the owners and they
would pay wages to her. One day, the seventh of Dystrus, when
she cut off a piece she had woven and sent it to the owners,
they paid her full wages and also gave her a young goat for a
meal. 13 When she returned to me, the goat began to bleat. So I
called her and said, “Where did you get this goat? It is surely
not stolen, is it? Return it to the owners; for we have no right
to eat anything stolen.” 14 But she said to me, “It was given to
me as a gift in addition to my wages.” But I did not believe
her, and told her to return it to the owners. I became flushed
with anger against her over this. Then she replied to me, “Where
are your acts of charity? Where are your righteous deeds? These
things are known about you!”[h]
Footnotes:
Tobit 2:1 Gk Sacherdonos
Tobit 2:2 Lat: Gk wholeheartedly mindful
Tobit 2:4 Gk him
Tobit 2:4 Other ancient authorities lack from the square
Tobit 2:4 Gk him
Tobit 2:4 Gk him
Tobit 2:6 Other ancient authorities read against Bethlehem
Tobit 2:14 Or to you; Gk with you
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Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: May 24, 2020, 10:33 am
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Tobit 3 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
Tobit’s Prayer
3 Then with much grief and anguish of heart I wept, and with
groaning began to pray:
2 “You are righteous, O Lord,
and all your deeds are just;
all your ways are mercy and truth;
you judge the world.[a]
3 And now, O Lord, remember me
and look favorably upon me.
Do not punish me for my sins
and for my unwitting offenses
and those that my ancestors committed before you.
They sinned against you,
4 and disobeyed your commandments.
So you gave us over to plunder, exile, and death,
to become the talk, the byword, and an object of reproach
among all the nations among whom you have dispersed us.
5 And now your many judgments are true
in exacting penalty from me for my sins.
For we have not kept your commandments
and have not walked in accordance with truth before you.
6 So now deal with me as you will;
command my spirit to be taken from me,
so that I may be released from the face of the earth and
become dust.
For it is better for me to die than to live,
because I have had to listen to undeserved insults,
and great is the sorrow within me.
Command, O Lord, that I be released from this distress;
release me to go to the eternal home,
and do not, O Lord, turn your face away from me.
For it is better for me to die
than to see so much distress in my life
and to listen to insults.”
Sarah Falsely Accused
7 On the same day, at Ecbatana in Media, it also happened that
Sarah, the daughter of Raguel, was reproached by one of her
father’s maids. 8 For she had been married to seven husbands,
and the wicked demon Asmodeus had killed each of them before
they had been with her as is customary for wives. So the maid
said to her, “You are the one who kills[b] your husbands! See,
you have already been married to seven husbands and have not
borne the name of[c] a single one of them. 9 Why do you beat us?
Because your husbands are dead? Go with them! May we never see a
son or daughter of yours!”
Sarah’s Prayer for Death
10 On that day she was grieved in spirit and wept. When she had
gone up to her father’s upper room, she intended to hang
herself. But she thought it over and said, “Never shall they
reproach my father, saying to him, ‘You had only one beloved
daughter but she hanged herself because of her distress.’ And I
shall bring my father in his old age down in sorrow to Hades. It
is better for me not to hang myself, but to pray the Lord that I
may die and not listen to these reproaches anymore.” 11 At that
same time, with hands outstretched toward the window, she prayed
and said,
“Blessed are you, merciful God!
Blessed is your name forever;
let all your works praise you forever.
12 And now, Lord,[d] I turn my face to you,
and raise my eyes toward you.
13 Command that I be released from the earth
and not listen to such reproaches any more.
14 You know, O Master, that I am innocent
of any defilement with a man,
15 and that I have not disgraced my name
or the name of my father in the land of my exile.
I am my father’s only child;
he has no other child to be his heir;
and he has no close relative or other kindred
for whom I should keep myself as wife.
Already seven husbands of mine have died.
Why should I still live?
But if it is not pleasing to you, O Lord, to take my life,
hear me in my disgrace.”
An Answer to Prayer
16 At that very moment, the prayers of both of them were heard
in the glorious presence of God. 17 So Raphael was sent to heal
both of them: Tobit, by removing the white films from his eyes,
so that he might see God’s light with his eyes; and Sarah,
daughter of Raguel, by giving her in marriage to Tobias son of
Tobit, and by setting her free from the wicked demon Asmodeus.
For Tobias was entitled to have her before all others who had
desired to marry her. At the same time that Tobit returned from
the courtyard into his house, Sarah daughter of Raguel came down
from her upper room.
Footnotes:
Tobit 3:2 Other ancient authorities read you render true and
righteous judgment forever
Tobit 3:8 Other ancient authorities read strangles
Tobit 3:8 Other ancient authorities read have had no benefit
from
Tobit 3:12 Other ancient authorities lack Lord
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