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Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: November 13, 2019, 11:44 am
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The Book of Tobit - KJV
By dakk:
Has anyone ever noticed some of the similarities found in the
book of Tobit with the conversion of Saul?
Acts 9:10-18 ASV
10 Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias;
and the Lord said unto him in a vision, Ananias. And he said,
Behold, I am here, Lord.
11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go to the street which
is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas for one
named Saul, a man of Tarsus: for behold, he prayeth;
12 and he hath seen a man named Ananias coming in, and laying
his hands on him, that he might receive his sight.
13 But Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard from many of this
man, how much evil he did to thy saints at Jerusalem:
14 and here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all
that call upon thy name.
15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen
vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles and kings,
and the children of Israel:
16 for I will show him how many things he must suffer for my
name's sake.
17 And Ananias departed, and entered into the house; and laying
his hands on him [hands = power = doctrine] said, Brother Saul,
the Lord, even Jesus, who appeared unto thee in the way which
thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mayest receive thy sight,
and be filled with the Holy Spirit.
18 And straightway there fell from his eyes as it were scales,
and he received his sight; and he arose and was baptized;
Tobit 3:16-17 KJV
[16] So the prayers of them both were heard before the majesty
of the great God.
[17] And Raphael was sent to heal them both, that is, to scale
away the whiteness of Tobit's eyes, and to give Sara the
daughter of Raguel for a wife to Tobias the son of Tobit; and to
bind Asmodeus the evil spirit; because she belonged to Tobias by
right of inheritance. The selfsame time came Tobit home, and
entered into his house, and Sara the daughter of Raguel came
down from her upper chamber.
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Tobit 5:4-12 KJV
[4] Therefore when he went to seek a man, he found Raphael that
was an angel.
[5] But he knew not; and he said unto him, Canst thou go with me
to Rages? and knowest thou those places well?
[6] To whom the angel said, I will go with thee, and I know the
way well: for I have lodged with our brother Gabael.
[7] Then Tobias said unto him, Tarry for me, till I tell my
father.
[8] Then he said unto him, Go and tarry not. So he went in and
said to his father, Behold, I have found one which will go with
me. Then he said, Call him unto me, that I may know of what
tribe he is, and whether he be a trusty man to go with thee.
[9] So he called him, and he came in, and they saluted one
another.
[10] Then Tobit said unto him, Brother, shew me of what tribe
and family thou art.
[11] To whom he said, Dost thou seek for a tribe or family, or
an hired man to go with thy son? Then Tobit said unto him, I
would know, brother, thy kindred and name.
[12] Then he said, I am Azarias, the son of Ananias the great,
and of thy brethren.
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Tobit 11:7-14 KJV
[7] Then said Raphael, I know, Tobias, that thy father will open
his eyes.
[8] Therefore anoint thou his eyes with the gall, and being
pricked therewith, he shall rub, and the whiteness shall fall
away, and he shall see thee.
[9] Then Anna ran forth, and fell upon the neck of her son, and
said unto him, Seeing I have seen thee, my son, from henceforth
I am content to die. And they wept both.
[10] Tobit also went forth toward the door, and stumbled: but
his son ran unto him,
[11] And took hold of his father: and he strake of the gall on
his fathers' eyes, saying, Be of good hope, my father.
[12] And when his eyes began to smart, he rubbed them;
[13] And the whiteness pilled away from the corners of his eyes:
and when he saw his son, he fell upon his neck.
[14] And he wept, and said, Blessed art thou, O God, and blessed
is thy name for ever; and blessed are all thine holy angels:
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Tobit 12:14-15 KJV
[14] And now God hath sent me to heal thee and Sara thy daughter
in law.
[15] I am Raphael, one of the seven holy angels, which present
the prayers of the saints, [see also Rev 8:3-4] and which go in
and out before the glory of the Holy One.
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Ananias the great(er) or elder is Hananyah, father-elder of
Raphael
Ananias laid his hands/power, (Raphael, his "son", his
doctrine), upon Saul
Raphael = "Healing of El", "Healer of El", "Physician of El"
Luke "the Physician" = Raphael "the Physician of El" (Physician
of God)
Damascus = Qumran Damasek, (not Damascus, Syria)
Fragments of a Zadokite Work (The Damascus Document)
Related from several previous threads:
ALL scripture is inspired? #48, #59, #66, #77
What constitutes "scripture?" #9, #105, #112
#Post#: 8773--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: November 13, 2019, 11:45 am
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Was Tobit a Hobbit?
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Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: November 13, 2019, 11:46 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8773#msg8773
date=1573667147]
Was Tobit a Hobbit?
[/quote]By dakk:
His wife's name was Anna, that is Hannah, the same as Yoakim the
father of Maryah: Anna, that is Hannah, was her mother's name.
And Tobit was blinded, just as Saulo, who then became Paulo,
which is to say, "little", as in Paulo "the Little".
Therefore I say, that if indeed you say, Tobit was a Hobbit,
then rightly so also, Paulo "the Little" was a Hobbit. :happy:
Moreover Sarah is the wife of Abraham, and she is an allegory
for Yerushalem of above according to the Hobbit: but in this
episode Sarah is the daughter of Raguel, who is elsewhere is
called Yithro, which is to say, "His Excellency", or simply an
ancient way to say "Sir", and that is Yithro Raguel, the Kohen
of Midyan and the father of seven little birdies.
Moreover Moshe married into the Melki-Tzedek Elohim priesthood
when he married Tzipporah, the daughter of Yithro "His
Excellency" Raguel, and Tzipporah was of course one of the seven
little birdies, (which are the beloved daughters of doctrine).
Moreover Raguel is also named as one of the seven holy Angels
who watch, and that is of course is in the book of 1Enoch, and
again, Moshe married one of seven little birdies named Tzipporah
who is the beloved doctrine-daughter of Raguel.
Finally, the wife of Raguel in this episode is Edna.
Do you know who Edna is in 1Enoch?
Who therefore is Enoch? :laugh:
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Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: November 13, 2019, 11:47 am
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By dakk:
It is written in the heavenly tablets. :happy:
PS:
Heavenly tablets:
Ezekiel 11:14-20
14 Again the Word of YHWH came to me, saying:
15 Son of man, your brethren, even your brethren the men of your
kindred, and all the house of Yisrael entirely, are those unto
whom the inhabitants of Yerushalem have said, "Get yourselves
far from YHWH: unto us is this land given in possession!"
16 Therefore say, Thus says Adonai YHWH, Although I have cast
them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered
them among the aretzot-lands, yet will I be to them as a little
mikdash-sanctuary-temple in the aretzot-lands where they shall
come.
17 Therefore say, Thus says Adonai YHWH: I will even gather you
from the people, and assemble you out of the aretzot-lands where
you have been scattered, and I will give you the adamat-soil of
Yisrael.
18 And they shall enter therein: and they shall take away all
the detestable things thereof, and all the abominations thereof,
out of that place.
19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new Spirit
within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh,
and will give them an heart of flesh:
20 That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances,
and do them: and they shall be My people, and I will be their
Elohim.
The adamat or adamah-soil is the same "virgin" fertile soil
which Adam was taken from when he was formed from dust of the
adamah, (soil), and thus the adamah-soil is the soil of the
heart, (Parable of the Sower).
The stone tablets of the heart become flesh, that is, living,
(heavenly tablets), and that is to say, when the heart is
circumcised. The new Spirit is the Spirit of the new Covenant,
which is the Testimony of the Master in the Gospel accounts:
A new Spirit into a renewed-refreshed heart.
Neos-new wine into kainos-renewed wine skins.
See also Ezekiel 18:31 and Ezekiel 36:26.
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Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: November 13, 2019, 11:48 am
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I want more dakk.
#Post#: 8777--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: November 13, 2019, 11:48 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8776#msg8776
date=1573667282]
I want more dakk.
[/quote]By dakk:
Lol, I was kinda hoping people would jump in on this but I guess
not. By the way, the wife of "His Excellency", Enoch, is of
course also named Edna: which is another form of the word Eden,
that is, the Paradise Garden from the beginning, Gan Eden.
Keturah, feminine passive participle of H6999 qatar, incense, to
burn incense.
Zimran, musical, music.
Jokshan, from H3369 yaqosh, to ensnare, fowler, (lay a) snare.
Medan, the same as H4090 mdan, a contest or quarrel.
Midian, the same as H4079 midyan, a contest or quarrel.
Ishbak, from an unused root corresponding to H7662, (to quit),
he will leave, he leaves, he left, he left off, he quit.
Shuah, from 7743 shuwach, to sink, bow down, incline, humble
Sheba, foreign origin, Sabeans
Dedan, Ddan, Ddaneh, uncertain derivation, Kushites.
Asshurim, to be straight, or and inhabitant of Ashur, a district
in Israel.
Letushim, masculine plural of passive participle of H3913, to
hammer, hammered ones, hammering ones, teachers, instructors,
sharpeners, (by instruction).
Leummim, communities, (plural of H3816 l'om, l'owm, a
community).
Ephah, the same as H5890, obscurity, cloudy, gloomy, darkness.
Epher, a gazelle, a variation of H6082 opher, a fawn, from H6080
aphar, dust.
Hanock, Chanowk, same name as the antediluvian patriarch, Enoch,
initiate, initiated: from H2596 chanak, to narrow, to initiate
or discipline, to dedicate, to train up.
Abida, father of knowledge.
Eldaah, El of knowledge, mighty one of knowledge.
All these were the sons of Incense, (Keturah).
Genesis 25:1-4
1 And Abraham took another wife, and her name was Incense.
2 And she produced for him music, and a snare, and a quarrel,
and a contest: and he left off, and was humbled.
3 And the snare produced Sheba and Dedan: but the sons of Dedan
were straight, and instructor-teachers of the communities.
4 And the sons of the contest: obscurity, and a fawn-gazelle,
and Enoch the father of knowledge and mighty one of knowledge:
all these were the sons of Incense.
This is the genealogy of Yithrow Raguel, "His Execellency"
Raguel, (Enoch initiate).
The Torah was given by the instrumentality of Messenger-Angels,
(Acts 7:53), and was thoroughly prescribed-ordained by way of
the Messenger-Angels in the hand of a Mediator, (Galatians
3:19), which Mediator in the case of the giving of the Torah was
Moses.
"His Excellency" (Yithrow) Raguel, the "father-in-law" of Moses,
is not is a Messenger: he represents Enoch, for his teaching is
that of Enoch. And in this manner, (Genesis 25:1-4, the
genealogy of Midian and therefore Yithrow Raguel, the Priest of
Midian), Moses places himself squarely in the Elohim Priesthood
which is after the order of Melki-Tzedek: for Abraham met with
Melki-Tzedek, and Melki-Tzedek blessed him, and Abraham himself
was therefore also a Priest after the order of Melki-Tzedek.
Immediately after the meeting with Melki-Tzedek, (Gen 14:18-24),
the Word comes to Abraham in a vision, and Elohim cuts covenant
with Abraham, (Gen 15:1-21).
What therefore are the seven daughters of "His Excellency"
Raguel? They are the "daughters" of his sevenfold doctrine.
Moses marries into the Elohim Melki-Tzedek Priesthood when he
marries "Tzipporah", that is, a clean bird. So the seven
daughters of Yithrow Raguel are like seven little birdies with a
doctrine, (like seven songs), that is to say, Moses "married"
into the doctrine of Yithrow Raguel, who represents a Priest
after the order of Enoch the Priest and Scribe, which is the
same antediluvian Melki-Tzedek order from before the flood.
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Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: November 13, 2019, 11:49 am
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So dakk, what do you make of the account in Tobit? Was it
written before or after Pauls's writings and do you think one
story is grafted from another, as are many Biblical accounts?
#Post#: 8779--------------------------------------------------
Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: November 13, 2019, 11:50 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8778#msg8778
date=1573667346]
So dakk, what do you make of the account in Tobit? Was it
written before or after Pauls's writings and do you think one
story is grafted from another, as are many Biblical accounts?
[/quote]By dakk:
It is full of symbolism just as is all of scripture, and yes, I
believe it is written before the writings of Paul, and yes, I
believe it is all interwoven, (scripture). For instance, you
will find a somewhat partial explanation in Tobit concerning the
three friends of Daniel, whose names were Hananiah, Azariah, and
Mishael. Mishael is likely a reference to Michael, (one of the
seven holy Angels who watch), while the other two names
transliterated from the LXX are the same as those found in Tobit
where the Angel Raphael gives his name, that is Azarias, which
is the same as Azariah.
Moreover, not only that, but you can see from Tobit 5:12 quoted
above herein, that Raphael says, "I am Azarias, the son of
Ananias the great(er)".
Azarias = Azariah (Dan 1:6)
Ananias = Hananiah (Dan 1:6)
Mishael = Michael (Dan 1:6)
Therefore, with Gabriel, we may actually have not two but rather
four holy Angels in the book of Daniel: and this cannot likely
be understood without the book of Tobit and what it says about
Raphael. If therefore we have Raphael, (Azariah-Azarias, Dan
1:6), and Gabriel, (Dan 8:16, 9:21) and Michael, (Dan 10:13,
10:21, 12:1), who is the fourth holy Angel?
Enoch tells us about the four that are roundabout the throne,
(they are the same four in the Apocalypse). Whoever the fourth
one is: he is also likely Hananiah-Ananias the greater, (or more
likely elder, that is, in antiquity).
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Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: November 13, 2019, 11:50 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8779#msg8779
date=1573667402]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8778#msg8778
date=1573667346]
So dakk, what do you make of the account in Tobit? Was it
written before or after Pauls's writings and do you think one
story is grafted from another, as are many Biblical accounts?
[/quote]By dakk:
It is full of symbolism just as is all of scripture, and yes, I
believe it is written before the writings of Paul, and yes, I
believe it is all interwoven, (scripture). For instance, you
will find a somewhat partial explanation in Tobit concerning the
three friends of Daniel, whose names were Hananiah, Azariah, and
Mishael. Mishael is likely a reference to Michael, (one of the
seven holy Angels who watch), while the other two names
transliterated from the LXX are the same as those found in Tobit
where the Angel Raphael gives his name, that is Azarias, which
is the same as Azariah.
Moreover, not only that, but you can see from Tobit 5:12 quoted
above herein, that Raphael says, "I am Azarias, the son of
Ananias the great(er)".
Azarias = Azariah (Dan 1:6)
Ananias = Hananiah (Dan 1:6)
Mishael = Michael (Dan 1:6)
Therefore, with Gabriel, we may actually have not two but rather
four holy Angels in the book of Daniel: and this cannot likely
be understood without the book of Tobit and what it says about
Raphael. If therefore we have Raphael, (Azariah-Azarias, Dan
1:6), and Gabriel, (Dan 8:16, 9:21) and Michael, (Dan 10:13,
10:21, 12:1), who is the fourth holy Angel?
Enoch tells us about the four that are roundabout the throne,
(they are the same four in the Apocalypse). Whoever the fourth
one is: he is also likely Hananiah-Ananias the greater, (or more
likely elder, that is, in antiquity).
[/quote]Interesting. I suppose I could find Tobit online and
read it all. I have wondered about this because I heard there
are four archangels but it doesn't seem the other two are
mentioned much, only Gabriel and Michael. Where is Raphael
mentioned in the 66?
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Re: Tobit
By: patrick jane Date: November 13, 2019, 11:51 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8780#msg8780
date=1573667438]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8779#msg8779
date=1573667402]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=675.msg8778#msg8778
date=1573667346]
So dakk, what do you make of the account in Tobit? Was it
written before or after Pauls's writings and do you think one
story is grafted from another, as are many Biblical accounts?
[/quote]By dakk:
It is full of symbolism just as is all of scripture, and yes, I
believe it is written before the writings of Paul, and yes, I
believe it is all interwoven, (scripture). For instance, you
will find a somewhat partial explanation in Tobit concerning the
three friends of Daniel, whose names were Hananiah, Azariah, and
Mishael. Mishael is likely a reference to Michael, (one of the
seven holy Angels who watch), while the other two names
transliterated from the LXX are the same as those found in Tobit
where the Angel Raphael gives his name, that is Azarias, which
is the same as Azariah.
Moreover, not only that, but you can see from Tobit 5:12 quoted
above herein, that Raphael says, "I am Azarias, the son of
Ananias the great(er)".
Azarias = Azariah (Dan 1:6)
Ananias = Hananiah (Dan 1:6)
Mishael = Michael (Dan 1:6)
Therefore, with Gabriel, we may actually have not two but rather
four holy Angels in the book of Daniel: and this cannot likely
be understood without the book of Tobit and what it says about
Raphael. If therefore we have Raphael, (Azariah-Azarias, Dan
1:6), and Gabriel, (Dan 8:16, 9:21) and Michael, (Dan 10:13,
10:21, 12:1), who is the fourth holy Angel?
Enoch tells us about the four that are roundabout the throne,
(they are the same four in the Apocalypse). Whoever the fourth
one is: he is also likely Hananiah-Ananias the greater, (or more
likely elder, that is, in antiquity).
[/quote]Interesting. I suppose I could find Tobit online and
read it all. I have wondered about this because I heard there
are four archangels but it doesn't seem the other two are
mentioned much, only Gabriel and Michael. Where is Raphael
mentioned in the 66?
[/quote]By dakk:
Loukas is "Leukos the White", the Physician-Healer of El,
(Raphael means "Healer of El" or "Healing of El", ("God's
Physician")). In Acts 13:1 Lukios, (generally rendered as
"Lucius"), maybe a possible reference to him. Moreover Symeon
Nijer is "Symeon the Black", (the meaning of Nijer is black),
and Sopater Pyrrhus is "Sopater the Red", (the meaning of
Pyrrhus is red, Acts 20:4), while the fourth is of course
Philippos, ("friend of horses", (face of an eagle, Uriel)), one
of the Seven, (Acts 21:8). And Philippos, like Uriel, has four
virgin daughters of his doctrine which prophesy, (which is why
you see in other writings that Uriel is combined with names of
angels, such as in Enoch, where Uriel is also Phanuel as well as
his name being a portion of the compound name Arsayalalyur,
1Enoch 10:1-2).
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