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Re: Trinity
DIR By: guest8
Date: July 30, 2019, 8:23 pm
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> Is the Trinity in the Bible?
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> The Trinity Doctrine has been highly debated for hundreds of
years. Is it Biblical or is it a made up belief?
>
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#Post#: 9522--------------------------------------------------
Asaph’s Psalm 2 -----Answers about who of the Trinity is
speaking!
DIR By: guest8
Date: January 6, 2020, 8:51 pm
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Psalm 2 not only shows the Trinity having a conversation between
themselves but Psalm 2 brings forth:
1. a prophecy about the Battle of Armageddon that will come at
the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ!
2. shows the infinite awesome absolute power and sovereignty of
GOD!
3. the mystery of Grace through Jesus Christ! (from the OT)
Blade
Click on attachment below and click "open" on the form that
follows. the attachment is a PDF file.
#Post#: 9527--------------------------------------------------
Re: Asaph’s Psalm 2 -----Answers about who of the Trinity is
speaking!
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: January 6, 2020, 9:23 pm
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> Psalm 2 not only shows the Trinity having a conversation
between themselves but Psalm 2 brings forth:
> 1. a prophecy about the Battle of Armageddon that will come at
the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ!
> 2. shows the infinite awesome absolute power and sovereignty
of GOD!
> 3. the mystery of Grace through Jesus Christ! (from the OT)
>
> Blade
>
> Click on attachment below and click "open" on the form that
follows. the attachment is a PDF file.
>
--- End Quote ---
Great find brother.
Psalm 2 King James Version (KJV)
1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take
counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed,
saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords
from us.
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall
have them in derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in
his sore displeasure.
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou
art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine
inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy
possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them
in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges
of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 [size=14pt]Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from
the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all
they that put their trust in him.
[/size]
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain
#Post#: 9532--------------------------------------------------
Re: Asaph’s Psalm 2 -----Answers about who of the Trinity is
speaking!
DIR By: guest8
Date: January 7, 2020, 9:31 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> Psalm 2 not only shows the Trinity having a conversation
between themselves but Psalm 2 brings forth:
> 1. a prophecy about the Battle of Armageddon that will come at
the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ!
> 2. shows the infinite awesome absolute power and sovereignty
of GOD!
> 3. the mystery of Grace through Jesus Christ! (from the OT)
>
> Blade
>
> Click on attachment below and click "open" on the form that
follows. the attachment is a PDF file.
>
--- End Quote ---
PJ, was you able to open the attached file.
Blade
#Post#: 9534--------------------------------------------------
Re: Asaph’s Psalm 2 -----Answers about who of the Trinity is
speaking!
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: January 7, 2020, 10:40 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=726.msg9522#msg9522
date=1578365493]
> Psalm 2 not only shows the Trinity having a conversation
between themselves but Psalm 2 brings forth:
>
> 1. a prophecy about the Battle of Armageddon that will come at
the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ!
> 2. shows the infinite awesome absolute power and sovereignty
of GOD!
> 3. the mystery of Grace through Jesus Christ! (from the OT)
>
> Blade
>
> Click on attachment below and click "open" on the form that
follows. the attachment is a PDF file.
>
--- End Quote ---
PJ, was you able to open the attached file.
Blade
[/quote]Yes.
Asaph’s Psalm 2 -----Answers about who of the Trinity is
speaking! with commentary!
1st Paragraph
Psa 2:1 ..Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain
thing?
Psa 2:2 ..The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers
take counsel together, against the LORD,
and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3..Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their
cords from us.
*** Speaking is either God (the Father) who is speaking in the
third person or the Holy Spirit ***
2nd Paragraph
Psa 2:4 ..He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord
shall have them in derision.
Ps a 2:5 ..Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex
them in his sore displeasure.
Psa 2:6 .. Yet have I set my king (Jesus Christ) upon my holy
hill of Zion. (emphasis added)
*****The one speaking here is God (the Father)…..seen in the
embolden section of Psa 2:6******
3rd Paragraph
Psa 2:7 ..I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me,
Thou art my Son; this day have I
begotten thee. (Jesus Christ is speaking here)
Psa 2:8..Ask of me,(God the Father speaking here) and I shall
give thee the heathen for thine
inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy
possession.
Psa 2:9 ..Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt
dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
*Speaking here is Jesus Christ and God (the Father)..as we see
in the (emphasis added) of Psa 2: 7-8 *
4 th Paragraph
Psa 2:10 ..Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye
judges of the earth.
Psa 2:1 1 ..Serve the LORD (God, the Father) with fear, and
rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2: 1 2..Kiss the Son (Jesus Christ) , lest he be angry, and
ye perish from the way, when his wrath is
kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust
in him. (emphasis added)
*****The one speaking here is the Holy Spirit…..as seen both are
spoken of in Psa 2:11-12******
Commentary:
Psalm 2 not only shows the Trinity having a conversation between
themselves but Psalm 2 brings forth:
1. a prophecy about the Battle of Armageddon that will come at
the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus
Christ!
2. shows the infinite awesome absolute power and sovereignty of
GOD!
3. the mystery of Grace through Jesus Christ! (from the OT)
1st Paragraph
In Psa 2:1,,,the people of the earth are rising up against
GOD...We see that GOD upon high is seeing
this as it is happening in the distant future. Why do the
heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain
thing? A vain thing?
Yes, GOD is looking at the stupidity and arrogance of thinking
that they can
challenge HIM in battle when all HE had to do in creating the
earth and all it’s inhabitants was speak
“Let there BE”.
I find it incomprehensible that man would consider such a move,
even with the backing of Satan. Yet, It
was tried before when the Tower of Babel was being built. The
main theme at that time was to overtake
GOD’s place in Heaven. At this time, God uses the same words He
used here in Psa 2:3..”LET US”
confound the single language of the day into 70 different
languages and spread the people over the
earth.
The Battle of Armageddon is shown to us in Rev 19 and is at the
very least a grand failure on the part
of mankind. With the WORD of GOD (Jesus Christ) riding a white
Horse, A spoken word is all that
will be needed to end this charade.
2nd Paragraph
We actually find God is laughing at those who would contemplate
such a thing. (Psa 2:4-5.) His Wrath
will consume all of them. Yet, He sends His KING (Jesus Christ)
to sit upon the throne of David on the
Holy hill of Zion. This last verse also speaks to the very
physical 1000 years as HE said “I set my
king (Jesus Christ) upon my holy hill of Zion.” This is not a
spiritual event
3rd Paragraph
We find Jesus Christ speaking about what His father has said to
him in verse 7 and GOD (the Father)
telling Jesus, “Ask of me” and I shall give thee the heathen for
thine inheritance, and the uttermost
parts of the earth for thy possession. God (the father)
continues to instruct Jesus to rule (the
millennium) with an iron rod in Psa 2:8
4th Paragraph
Here we find the Holy Spirit asking the kings of the earth to
serve the Lord (God the Father) or be
destroyed, then tells them and “us” that those who put their
faith in HIM (the Son, Jesus Christ) will
be blessed.
As we can see here in the OT, in a Psalm of Asaph, the mystery
of GRACE through Jesus
Christ is alive and well.
*The King James Version was used exclusively as other versions
are somewhat different depending
upon the year of their printing.
*All verses in the Bible are: “All scripture is given by
inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”
*Thus God is considered the author of all 66 books through 40
writers including those of Psalm 2.
by Gary Gibson (9/12/2018) at Sharing God’s Word
#Post#: 9970--------------------------------------------------
Re: Asaph’s Psalm 2 -----Answers about who of the Trinity is
speaking!
DIR By: guest8
Date: January 29, 2020, 7:06 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=726.msg9532#msg9532
date=1578411119]
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=726.msg9522#msg9522
date=1578365493]
> Psalm 2 not only shows the Trinity having a conversation
between themselves but Psalm 2 brings forth:
>
> 1. a prophecy about the Battle of Armageddon that will come at
the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ!
> 2. shows the infinite awesome absolute power and sovereignty
of GOD!
> 3. the mystery of Grace through Jesus Christ! (from the OT)
>
> Blade
>
> Click on attachment below and click "open" on the form that
follows. the attachment is a PDF file.
>
--- End Quote ---
PJ, was you able to open the attached file.
Blade
[/quote]Yes.
Asaph’s Psalm 2 -----Answers about who of the Trinity is
speaking! with commentary!
1st Paragraph
Psa 2:1 ..Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain
thing?
Psa 2:2 ..The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers
take counsel together, against the LORD,
and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3..Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their
cords from us.
*** Speaking is either God (the Father) who is speaking in the
third person or the Holy Spirit ***
2nd Paragraph
Psa 2:4 ..He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord
shall have them in derision.
Ps a 2:5 ..Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex
them in his sore displeasure.
Psa 2:6 .. Yet have I set my king (Jesus Christ) upon my holy
hill of Zion. (emphasis added)
*****The one speaking here is God (the Father)…..seen in the
embolden section of Psa 2:6******
3rd Paragraph
Psa 2:7 ..I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me,
Thou art my Son; this day have I
begotten thee. (Jesus Christ is speaking here)
Psa 2:8..Ask of me,(God the Father speaking here) and I shall
give thee the heathen for thine
inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy
possession.
Psa 2:9 ..Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt
dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
*Speaking here is Jesus Christ and God (the Father)..as we see
in the (emphasis added) of Psa 2: 7-8 *
4 th Paragraph
Psa 2:10 ..Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye
judges of the earth.
Psa 2:1 1 ..Serve the LORD (God, the Father) with fear, and
rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2: 1 2..Kiss the Son (Jesus Christ) , lest he be angry, and
ye perish from the way, when his wrath is
kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust
in him. (emphasis added)
*****The one speaking here is the Holy Spirit…..as seen both are
spoken of in Psa 2:11-12******
Commentary:
Psalm 2 not only shows the Trinity having a conversation between
themselves but Psalm 2 brings forth:
1. a prophecy about the Battle of Armageddon that will come at
the time of the 2nd coming of Jesus
Christ!
2. shows the infinite awesome absolute power and sovereignty of
GOD!
3. the mystery of Grace through Jesus Christ! (from the OT)
1st Paragraph
In Psa 2:1,,,the people of the earth are rising up against
GOD...We see that GOD upon high is seeing
this as it is happening in the distant future. Why do the
heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain
thing? A vain thing?
Yes, GOD is looking at the stupidity and arrogance of thinking
that they can
challenge HIM in battle when all HE had to do in creating the
earth and all it’s inhabitants was speak
“Let there BE”.
I find it incomprehensible that man would consider such a move,
even with the backing of Satan. Yet, It
was tried before when the Tower of Babel was being built. The
main theme at that time was to overtake
GOD’s place in Heaven. At this time, God uses the same words He
used here in Psa 2:3..”LET US”
confound the single language of the day into 70 different
languages and spread the people over the
earth.
The Battle of Armageddon is shown to us in Rev 19 and is at the
very least a grand failure on the part
of mankind. With the WORD of GOD (Jesus Christ) riding a white
Horse, A spoken word is all that
will be needed to end this charade.
2nd Paragraph
We actually find God is laughing at those who would contemplate
such a thing. (Psa 2:4-5.) His Wrath
will consume all of them. Yet, He sends His KING (Jesus Christ)
to sit upon the throne of David on the
Holy hill of Zion. This last verse also speaks to the very
physical 1000 years as HE said “I set my
king (Jesus Christ) upon my holy hill of Zion.” This is not a
spiritual event
3rd Paragraph
We find Jesus Christ speaking about what His father has said to
him in verse 7 and GOD (the Father)
telling Jesus, “Ask of me” and I shall give thee the heathen for
thine inheritance, and the uttermost
parts of the earth for thy possession. God (the father)
continues to instruct Jesus to rule (the
millennium) with an iron rod in Psa 2:8
4th Paragraph
Here we find the Holy Spirit asking the kings of the earth to
serve the Lord (God the Father) or be
destroyed, then tells them and “us” that those who put their
faith in HIM (the Son, Jesus Christ) will
be blessed.
As we can see here in the OT, in a Psalm of Asaph, the mystery
of GRACE through Jesus
Christ is alive and well.
*The King James Version was used exclusively as other versions
are somewhat different depending
upon the year of their printing.
*All verses in the Bible are: “All scripture is given by
inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”
*Thus God is considered the author of all 66 books through 40
writers including those of Psalm 2.
by Gary Gibson (9/12/2018) at Sharing God’s Word
[/quote]
Thank you PJ
#Post#: 27036--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Trinity : Comments
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: March 17, 2021, 6:46 am
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HTML https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2021/march/matthew-barrett-simply-trinity-evangelical-revisionist.html
Evangelical Thinking on the Trinity Is Often Remarkably
Revisionist
Theologian Matthew Barrett diagnoses our drift away from an
orthodox understanding of Father, Son, and Spirit.
By and large, American evangelical Christians have conservative
views of Scripture and morality. According to theologian Matthew
Barrett, however, their most basic claims about God are often
remarkably revisionist.
Barrett, professor at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary
and executive editor of Credo Magazine, is the author of Simply
Trinity: The Unmanipulated Father, Son, and Spirit. The book—a
follow-up to his 2019 work None Greater: The Undomesticated
Attributes of God—does two things. First, it shows how a good
portion of evangelical theology on the Trinity has drifted from
the classical Christian tradition. Second, it recruits a
veritable “dream team” of teachers from across that tradition to
lead readers back to the safe harbor of biblical orthodoxy. The
tone is accessible, but the sources are deep.
How has evangelicalism gone wrong in its understanding of the
Trinity? Barrett ranges broadly, but he fixes on the
development, in recent theology, of what he calls “social
trinitarianism.” Proponents of this view, which is more of a
common posture than a monolithic school, tend to conceive of the
oneness of God as a community of persons. Barrett introduces
some of its major figures, including liberal theologians like
Jürgen Moltmann and Leonardo Boff and American conservative
counterparts like Wayne Grudem and Bruce Ware.
The hallmark of social Trinitarianism is its willingness to
appropriate the relationships between the persons of the Trinity
as a model for various social projects. For liberals like
Moltmann and Boff, this can mean invoking the equal status of
Father, Son, and Spirit to advance an egalitarian vision of
society. Conservatives like Grudem and Ware sometimes point to
supposed hierarchies within the Trinity—namely, what they call
the Son’s “eternal submission” to the Father—as grounds for
their complementarian views on gender roles. (Plenty of
complementarians disagree. Liam Goligher, pastor of Tenth
Presbyterian Church, raised the alarm several years ago in a
viral blog post accusing Grudem and Ware of undermining the
unity that exists between Father, Son, and Spirit.) Simply
Trinity provides a thorough analysis of how revisionist trends
in Trinitarian theology have settled into the seemingly
conservative world of American evangelicalism.
What’s the way home? In part two of his book, Barrett retrieves
classical Trinitarian teachings, addressing the relationship of
eternity and history while affirming the oneness and simplicity
of God. The doctrines he covers—the “eternal generation” of the
Son, the “eternal procession” of the Spirit, and the
“inseparable operations” of the triune God—can sound rather
elevated, but Barrett explains them with ease and clarity.
Amid these chapters, Barrett also offers a single chapter
examining the claim by Grudem, Ware, and others that the Son is
“eternally subordinate” to the Father. He rightly shows that the
relations of origin between Father, Son, and Spirit profoundly
affect our understanding of salvation.
The book isn’t perfect. Barrett doesn’t always go deep enough in
addressing either the root causes of recent revisionism or the
glories of classical Christian understandings of the Trinity.
And he fails to locate the work of Trinitarian reflection within
larger questions of Christian spiritual formation, which
restricts the book’s focus mainly to matters of intellectual
debate and biblical interpretation.
This doesn’t quite match the mode of classical Christian
thought. Take the fourth-century church father Gregory of
Nazianzus, for example. In his Five Theological Orations, he
certainly addresses Bible passages about the Father, Son, and
Spirit—but only after reflecting on the spiritual preparation
needed for Trinitarian conversation.
In his Confessions, Augustine demonstrates that God, as
characterized in Scripture, is a person unlike any other. But
Social Trinitarianisms, of the left or the right, tend to make
the mistake of drawing false analogies between God and other
people. Unless we address that root malady, we’ll continuing
seeing symptoms of theological error pop up from time to time.
Still, Simply Trinity goes a long way toward identifying and
excising some of these harmful tendencies. For anyone who has
read confusing blog posts about the Trinity in recent years, the
book will help you regain your theological bearings. And for
anyone seeking to recover the riches of worshiping one God in
three persons, Barrett will prove a more than able guide.
Michael Allen is the John Dyer Trimble Professor of Systematic
Theology at Reformed Theological Seminary in Orlando, Florida.
He is a co-editor of The Oxford Handbook of Reformed Theology.
#Post#: 27048--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Trinity : Comments
DIR By: guest116
Date: March 17, 2021, 9:22 pm
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Looks like another book to read. Sounds like an interesting
read. Thank you for posting this review and information PJ.
#Post#: 27049--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Trinity : Comments
DIR By: guest8
Date: March 17, 2021, 10:19 pm
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--- Quote from: Chaplain Mark Schmidt link ---
>
> Looks like another book to read. Sounds like an interesting
read. Thank you for posting this review and information PJ.
>
--- End Quote ---
with the number of opinions today on just about everything in
the Theology, one would need to have a warehouse type library.
Blade
#Post#: 27050--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Trinity : Comments
DIR By: guest116
Date: March 17, 2021, 10:22 pm
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I hear ya there Blade. I have seen so many on trinity or no
trinity or fabricated belief trinity. The readings are
interesting though.
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