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Re: Trinity
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: December 7, 2018, 8:54 pm
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> [shadow=blue,left]I would not have believed it except: "The
Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit) isn’t in the Tenach but first appears
in the New Testament."
>
> I think the Holy Spirit was around from the beginning, Gen
1:2..."And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness
was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon
the face of the waters."
>
>
> Blade[/shadow]
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Oh yes, all three were there in the beginning and way before the
beginning.
#Post#: 2702--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trinity
DIR By: Theo102
Date: December 8, 2018, 12:14 am
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"If you have seen me you have seen the Father" "I and my Father
are one" The Word is God and the Word became flesh and dwelt
among us. You can ignore the clear and plain words of God at
your own peril. Go to hell !!!
[/quote]
Do you really think I should go to hell for showing how the
Hebrew text has been mistranslated?
#Post#: 2704--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trinity
DIR By: Firestarter
Date: December 8, 2018, 9:51 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
> I think the Holy Spirit was around from the beginning, Gen
1:2..."And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness
was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon
the face of the waters."
--- End Quote ---
Even though I'll admit that I have never understood what this
"Holy Spirit" means, I disagree with your interpretation.
As far as I can tell, the Hebrew phrase "ruach elohim" was
wrongfully translated with "Spirit of God".
Rűach has the meanings - wind, spirit, breath.
Elohim means "great" or "God".
Theoretically you could translate it with "Spirit of God", but
it could also mean "breath of God" or "great wind".
Within the context of Genesis, "great wind" appears to be a
fitting translation.
It always amazes me that Christians themselves believe that they
go to Heaven above, no matter what atrocities they've done
(although most Christians get very afraid when they are close to
death), but believe that non-Christians are destined for the
Hell below...
#Post#: 2709--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trinity
DIR By: Theo102
Date: December 8, 2018, 1:24 pm
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> Rűach has the meanings - wind, spirit, breath.
> Elohim means "great" or "God".
> Theoretically you could translate it with "Spirit of God", but
it could also mean "breath of God" or "great wind".
> Within the context of Genesis, "great wind" appears to be a
fitting translation.
--- End Quote ---
Elohim means more than "great". It's a plural Hebrew word which
is typically used as if it were singular. It's typically used in
reference to divine beings, but is also associated with "I AM",
i.e. consciousness. The main problem is that G-d is a direct
transliteration of the name of a semitic deity of fortune who is
mentioned in Isaiah:
But ye are they that forsake YHWH, that forget my holy mountain,
that prepare a table for GD, and that furnish the drink offering
unto MNY.
Isaiah 65:11
#Post#: 2716--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trinity
DIR By: guest8
Date: December 8, 2018, 8:23 pm
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--- Quote from: Theo102 link ---
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> [quote]Rűach has the meanings - wind, spirit, breath.
> Elohim means "great" or "God".
> Theoretically you could translate it with "Spirit of God", but
it could also mean "breath of God" or "great wind".
> Within the context of Genesis, "great wind" appears to be a
fitting translation.
--- End Quote ---
Elohim means more than "great". It's a plural Hebrew word which
is typically used as if it were singular. It's typically used in
reference to divine beings, but is also associated with "I AM",
i.e. consciousness. The main problem is that G-d is a direct
transliteration of the name of a semitic deity of fortune who is
mentioned in Isaiah:
But ye are they that forsake YHWH, that forget my holy mountain,
that prepare a table for GD, and that furnish the drink offering
unto MNY.
Isaiah 65:11
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]No before we go on, let ask you what is GOD's
Breath to YOU?
In fact, that Breath of GOD made you. That BREATH is the SPIRIT
of YOU!
Under Mat 1:20 (HNV),, Ruach is used 93 time in 92 verses of the
HNV Bible. IN most all cases it means 'Spirit'. This is what
the 70 translators of Alexander translated this Hebrew word into
GReek, 300 years before Christ followed by other translators
down through the centuries with the SAME translation.
When it comes down to it, I believe I will take their expert
opinions. The Holy Spirit or Spirit of GOD.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 2718--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trinity
DIR By: Firestarter
Date: December 9, 2018, 9:55 am
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> This is what the 70 translators of Alexander translated this
Hebrew word into GReek, 300 years before Christ followed by
other translators down through the centuries with the SAME
translation.
>
> When it comes down to it, I believe I will take their expert
opinions. The Holy Spirit or Spirit of GOD.
--- End Quote ---
Which "expert" opinion are you referring to?
Of the Greek (possibly Satanist or Mithraist), who translated
the Hebrew?
Or of the translator to English (or maybe you can read
Greek...)?
Don't believe any expert! Do your own research...
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
> No before we go on, let ask you what is GOD's Breath to YOU?
> In fact, that Breath of GOD made you. That BREATH is the
SPIRIT of YOU!
--- End Quote ---
I don't believe that God made man in his image, but that man
invented God in his image...
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
> Under Mat 1:20 (HNV),, Ruach is used 93 time in 92 verses of
the HNV Bible. IN most all cases it means 'Spirit'.
--- End Quote ---
James Strong's “Greek and Hebrew dictionaries”, 1890 translates
the Hebrew and Latin words used in the Bible to English (the
numbers refer to the numbers used by Strong):
HTML https://archive.org/details/StrongsGreekAndHebrewDictionaries1890
Elohim (# 430) - God, Magistrates, Angels, Great, Mighty
Elohim is derived from:
El (# 410) – Strength, Mighty, Almighty, God
El is derived from:
Ayil (# 352) – Strength, Strong, Chief, Strong (tree), Mighty
(man)
Ruwach (# 7306 & 7307 & 7308) – Wind, “strong” Breath; Spirit
(but only of sensible being); fig. life, anger
I still think that it should be translated with “great wind”
within the context of Genesis, which is about God creating our
Earth, with everything on it in 6 days (and resting on the 7th).
#Post#: 2725--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trinity
DIR By: guest8
Date: December 9, 2018, 5:40 pm
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--- Quote from: Firestarter link ---
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> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=66.msg2716#msg2716
date=1544322221]This is what the 70 translators of Alexander
translated this Hebrew word into GReek, 300 years before Christ
followed by other translators down through the centuries with
the SAME translation.
>
> When it comes down to it, I believe I will take their expert
opinions. The Holy Spirit or Spirit of GOD.
--- End Quote ---
Which "expert" opinion are you referring to?
Of the Greek (possibly Satanist or Mithraist), who translated
the Hebrew?
Or of the translator to English (or maybe you can read
Greek...)?
Don't believe any expert! Do your own research...
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
> No before we go on, let ask you what is GOD's Breath to YOU?
> In fact, that Breath of GOD made you. That BREATH is the
SPIRIT of YOU!
--- End Quote ---
I don't believe that God made man in his image, but that man
invented God in his image...
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
> Under Mat 1:20 (HNV),, Ruach is used 93 time in 92 verses of
the HNV Bible. IN most all cases it means 'Spirit'.
--- End Quote ---
James Strong's “Greek and Hebrew dictionaries”, 1890 translates
the Hebrew and Latin words used in the Bible to English (the
numbers refer to the numbers used by Strong):
HTML https://archive.org/details/StrongsGreekAndHebrewDictionaries1890
Elohim (# 430) - God, Magistrates, Angels, Great, Mighty
Elohim is derived from:
El (# 410) – Strength, Mighty, Almighty, God
El is derived from:
Ayil (# 352) – Strength, Strong, Chief, Strong (tree), Mighty
(man)
Ruwach (# 7306 & 7307 & 7308) – Wind, “strong” Breath; Spirit
(but only of sensible being); fig. life, anger
I still think that it should be translated with “great wind”
within the context of Genesis, which is about God creating our
Earth, with everything on it in 6 days (and resting on the 7th).
[/quote]
While I agree with you about Strong's definitions I do not agree
with your interpretation and neither did the 70 scribes that
translated the Hebrew manuscripts to the Septuagint LXX. Rem,
they were a lot closer to the people of those days than we are
and knew what and how they were saying it. When they say spirit,
then in my opinion it was made that way with God's help.
You as an atheist may call it anything, that is your opinion and
I am fine with that.
Have a good day.
Blade
#Post#: 6262--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trinity
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: June 12, 2019, 4:23 am
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I concur Blade.
#Post#: 6682--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trinity
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: June 29, 2019, 11:08 am
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> I concur Blade.
>
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Yes.
#Post#: 7341--------------------------------------------------
Re: Trinity
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: July 29, 2019, 7:17 pm
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Is the Trinity in the Bible?
The Trinity Doctrine has been highly debated for hundreds of
years. Is it Biblical or is it a made up belief?
19 minutes
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