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Re: Eve's Blindness
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: August 16, 2020, 9:26 am
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Blame it on Eve
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Re: Eve's Blindness
DIR By: guest58
Date: August 16, 2020, 11:36 am
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
> Blame it on Eve
--- End Quote ---
No sir...
Eve's place in GOD's history of working with HIS sinful elect to
bring them to redemption to be heaven (Eden) ready, was as a
real person but as a metaphor called an anti-type for the type
of those elect who were willing to follow Satan but who were
unwilling to take the chance on ending in hell so they made a
profession of faith in YHWH first, then safe from hell, they
rebelled and went with their buddies, friends and lovers, who
repudiated all faith in YHWH and were condemned on the spot.
As faithful, the Eves (all who rebelled to join Satan after
making a profession of faith, an unproven hope) were never
condemned due to their faith while the Satanic were condemned
immediately as never having any faith, Jn 3:18 Whoever has faith
/ believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not have
faith / believe stands condemned already because they have not
put their unproven hope / faith in the name of God's one and
only Son.
Eve is merely the spokesperson, our standin as the preeminent
bad example here on earth for all elect who planned to rebel
after they had been accepted by GOD as HIS sheep. She is NOT TO
BLAME for the fall of mankind but was chosen to play out the
experience of (some of) the fall of the elect here on earth for
our edification.
Adam on the other hand is the type for all those elect who
rejected Satan with a stronger faith than the Eves but once she
fell, could not leave her to GOD's tender mercies (not being
that faithful!) and so followed her into her sin, idolizing her
over his GOD.
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Re: Eve's Blindness
DIR By: guest8
Date: August 16, 2020, 11:31 pm
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--- Quote from: Ted T. link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=642.msg16328#msg16328
date=1597588012]Blame it on Eve
--- End Quote ---
No sir...
Eve's place in GOD's history of working with HIS sinful elect to
bring them to redemption to be heaven (Eden) ready, was as a
real person but as a metaphor called an anti-type for the type
of those elect who were willing to follow Satan but who were
unwilling to take the chance on ending in hell so they made a
profession of faith in YHWH first, then safe from hell, they
rebelled and went with their buddies, friends and lovers, who
repudiated all faith in YHWH and were condemned on the spot.
As faithful, the Eves (all who rebelled to join Satan after
making a profession of faith, an unproven hope) were never
condemned due to their faith while the Satanic were condemned
immediately as never having any faith, Jn 3:18 Whoever has faith
/ believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not have
faith / believe stands condemned already because they have not
put their unproven hope / faith in the name of God's one and
only Son.
Eve is merely the spokesperson, our standin as the preeminent
bad example here on earth for all elect who planned to rebel
after they had been accepted by GOD as HIS sheep. She is NOT TO
BLAME for the fall of mankind but was chosen to play out the
experience of (some of) the fall of the elect here on earth for
our edification.
Adam on the other hand is the type for all those elect who
rejected Satan with a stronger faith than the Eves but once she
fell, could not leave her to GOD's tender mercies (not being
that faithful!) and so followed her into her sin, idolizing her
over his GOD.
[/quote]
I disagree with you that Adam followed Her in sin...What Eve did
was disobey GOD. It was not considered a sin until Adam fell.
Either way, it was the Seed of Man that brought down the "born
into sin " for the rest of mankind.
We should not blame EVE for anything, because she has become the
mother of all mankind.
Blade
#Post#: 16389--------------------------------------------------
Re: Eve's Blindness
DIR By: guest58
Date: August 17, 2020, 11:21 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> I disagree with you that Adam followed Her in sin...What Eve
did was disobey GOD. It was not considered a sin until Adam
fell. Either way, it was the Seed of Man that brought down the
"born into sin " for the rest of mankind.
>
> We should not blame EVE for anything, because she has become
the mother of all mankind.
>
> Blade
--- End Quote ---
1 Tim 2:14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman
who was deceived and fell into transgression. She fell into
transgression by allowing the serpent to beguile her to disobey.
James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting
me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt
anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires
he is lured away and enticed.…Surely this means she was a sinner
from the moment she agreed with him on his pov? ! Adam was NOT
deceived by the serpent but ate anyway...how could that be
anything except he followed her, his wife, into sin?
The bit about it was the Seed of Man that brought down the "born
into sin" for the rest of mankind is a non-sequitur that is
without meaning in this context. Is seed of man even in the
bible? We are not born into sin but we are sinners born, sown,
planted into this world as per what may well be the most ignored
scripture in the whole bible: Matt 13:36 Then Jesus dismissed
the crowds and went into the house. His disciples came to Him
and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
37 He replied, “The One who sows the good seed is the Son of
Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed represents the
sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39
and the enemy who sows them is the devil. These people of the
kingdom and of the evil one were separated into their separate
groups BEFORE BEING SOWN INTO THE WORLD!
#Post#: 16397--------------------------------------------------
Re: Eve's Blindness
DIR By: guest8
Date: August 17, 2020, 10:41 pm
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--- Quote from: Ted T. link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=642.msg16374#msg16374
date=1597638699]
> I disagree with you that Adam followed Her in sin...What Eve
did was disobey GOD. It was not considered a sin until Adam
fell. Either way, it was the Seed of Man that brought down the
"born into sin " for the rest of mankind.
>
> We should not blame EVE for anything, because she has become
the mother of all mankind.
>
> Blade
--- End Quote ---
1 Tim 2:14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman
who was deceived and fell into transgression. She fell into
transgression by allowing the serpent to beguile her to disobey.
James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting
me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt
anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires
he is lured away and enticed.…Surely this means she was a sinner
from the moment she agreed with him on his pov? ! Adam was NOT
deceived by the serpent but ate anyway...how could that be
anything except he followed her, his wife, into sin?
The bit about it was the Seed of Man that brought down the "born
into sin" for the rest of mankind is a non-sequitur that is
without meaning in this context. Is seed of man even in the
bible? We are not born into sin but we are sinners born, sown,
planted into this world as per what may well be the most ignored
scripture in the whole bible: Matt 13:36 Then Jesus dismissed
the crowds and went into the house. His disciples came to Him
and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
37 He replied, “The One who sows the good seed is the Son of
Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed represents the
sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39
and the enemy who sows them is the devil. These people of the
kingdom and of the evil one were separated into their separate
groups BEFORE BEING SOWN INTO THE WORLD!
[/quote]
Is seed of man even in the bible? you don't know?
Besides you know what I meant. We are descendants of Adam and
Eve. Through His seed, We are born into a sin nature. This comes
from the Blood and does not pay particulars to the DNA of
neither Man nor Woman.
you said:" She fell into transgression by allowing the serpent
to beguile her to disobey"
The definition of transgression is the disobedience of the Law
which can be called sin.
dictionary of Cambridge: "the act or process of breaking a law
or moral rule, or an example of this: "
Whether He followed her or decided He LOVED her so much He could
not live without her is another discussion. She may have been
deceived but her transgressions did not bring about the downfall
of mankind. Adam DID!
Blade
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Re: Eve's Blindness
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: October 9, 2020, 7:48 am
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Blade thanks
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Re: Eve's Blindness
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: August 15, 2022, 4:49 am
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Re: Eve's Blindness
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: August 22, 2022, 10:41 am
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Re: Eve's Blindness
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: August 26, 2022, 5:24 am
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