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       Re: Eve's Blindness
       By: patrick jane Date: August 16, 2020, 9:26 am
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       Blame it on Eve
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       Re: Eve's Blindness
       By: guest58 Date: August 16, 2020, 11:36 am
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       [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=642.msg16328#msg16328
       date=1597588012]Blame it on Eve[/quote] No sir...
       Eve's place in GOD's history of working with HIS sinful elect to
       bring them to redemption to be heaven (Eden) ready, was as a
       real person but as a metaphor called an anti-type for the type
       of those elect who were willing to follow Satan but who were
       unwilling to take the chance on ending in hell so they made a
       profession of faith in YHWH first, then safe from hell, they
       rebelled and went with their buddies, friends and lovers, who
       repudiated all faith in YHWH and were condemned on the spot.
       As faithful, the Eves (all who rebelled to join Satan after
       making a profession of faith, an unproven hope) were never
       condemned due to their faith while the Satanic were condemned
       immediately as never having any faith, Jn 3:18 Whoever has faith
       / believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not have
       faith / believe stands condemned already because they have not
       put their unproven hope / faith in the name of God's one and
       only Son.
       Eve is merely the spokesperson, our standin as the preeminent
       bad example here on earth for all elect who planned to rebel
       after they had been accepted by GOD as HIS sheep. She is NOT TO
       BLAME for the fall of mankind but was chosen to play out the
       experience of (some of) the fall of the elect here on earth for
       our edification.
       Adam on the other hand is the type for all those elect who
       rejected Satan with a stronger faith than the Eves but once she
       fell, could not leave her to GOD's tender mercies (not being
       that faithful!) and so followed her into her sin, idolizing her
       over his GOD.
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       Re: Eve's Blindness
       By: guest8 Date: August 16, 2020, 11:31 pm
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       [quote author=Ted T. link=topic=642.msg16353#msg16353
       date=1597595800]
       [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=642.msg16328#msg16328
       date=1597588012]Blame it on Eve[/quote] No sir...
       Eve's place in GOD's history of working with HIS sinful elect to
       bring them to redemption to be heaven (Eden) ready, was as a
       real person but as a metaphor called an anti-type for the type
       of those elect who were willing to follow Satan but who were
       unwilling to take the chance on ending in hell so they made a
       profession of faith in YHWH first, then safe from hell, they
       rebelled and went with their buddies, friends and lovers, who
       repudiated all faith in YHWH and were condemned on the spot.
       As faithful, the Eves (all who rebelled to join Satan after
       making a profession of faith, an unproven hope) were never
       condemned due to their faith while the Satanic were condemned
       immediately as never having any faith, Jn 3:18 Whoever has faith
       / believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not have
       faith / believe stands condemned already because they have not
       put their unproven hope / faith in the name of God's one and
       only Son.
       Eve is merely the spokesperson, our standin as the preeminent
       bad example here on earth for all elect who planned to rebel
       after they had been accepted by GOD as HIS sheep. She is NOT TO
       BLAME for the fall of mankind but was chosen to play out the
       experience of (some of) the fall of the elect here on earth for
       our edification.
       Adam on the other hand is the type for all those elect who
       rejected Satan with a stronger faith than the Eves but once she
       fell, could not leave her to GOD's tender mercies (not being
       that faithful!) and so followed her into her sin, idolizing her
       over his GOD.
       [/quote]
       I disagree with you that Adam followed Her in sin...What Eve did
       was disobey GOD. It was not considered a sin until Adam fell.
       Either way, it was the Seed of Man that brought down the "born
       into sin " for the rest of mankind.
       We should not blame EVE for anything, because she has become the
       mother of all mankind.
       Blade
       #Post#: 16389--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Eve's Blindness
       By: guest58 Date: August 17, 2020, 11:21 am
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       [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=642.msg16374#msg16374
       date=1597638699]
       I disagree with you that Adam followed Her in sin...What Eve did
       was disobey GOD. It was not considered a sin until Adam fell.
       Either way, it was the Seed of Man that brought down the "born
       into sin " for the rest of mankind.
       We should not blame EVE for anything, because she has become the
       mother of all mankind.
       Blade[/quote]1 Tim 2:14 And it was not Adam who was deceived,
       but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression. She
       fell into transgression by allowing the serpent to beguile her
       to disobey. James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, �God is
       tempting me.� For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He
       tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when by his own evil
       desires he is lured away and enticed.�Surely this means she was
       a sinner from the moment she agreed with him on his pov? !  Adam
       was NOT deceived by the serpent but ate anyway...how could that
       be anything except he followed her, his wife, into sin?
       The bit about it was the Seed of Man that brought down the "born
       into sin" for the rest of mankind is a non-sequitur that is
       without meaning in this context. Is seed of man even in the
       bible? We are not born into sin but we are sinners born, sown,
       planted into this world as per what may well be the most ignored
       scripture in the whole bible: Matt 13:36 Then Jesus dismissed
       the crowds and went into the house. His disciples came to Him
       and said, �Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.�
       37 He replied, �The One who sows the good seed is the Son of
       Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed represents the
       sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39
       and the enemy who sows them is the devil.   These people of the
       kingdom and of the evil one were separated into their separate
       groups BEFORE BEING SOWN INTO THE WORLD!
       #Post#: 16397--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Eve's Blindness
       By: guest8 Date: August 17, 2020, 10:41 pm
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       [quote author=Ted T. link=topic=642.msg16389#msg16389
       date=1597681291]
       [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=642.msg16374#msg16374
       date=1597638699]
       I disagree with you that Adam followed Her in sin...What Eve did
       was disobey GOD. It was not considered a sin until Adam fell.
       Either way, it was the Seed of Man that brought down the "born
       into sin " for the rest of mankind.
       We should not blame EVE for anything, because she has become the
       mother of all mankind.
       Blade[/quote]1 Tim 2:14 And it was not Adam who was deceived,
       but the woman who was deceived and fell into transgression. She
       fell into transgression by allowing the serpent to beguile her
       to disobey. James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, �God is
       tempting me.� For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He
       tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when by his own evil
       desires he is lured away and enticed.�Surely this means she was
       a sinner from the moment she agreed with him on his pov? !  Adam
       was NOT deceived by the serpent but ate anyway...how could that
       be anything except he followed her, his wife, into sin?
       The bit about it was the Seed of Man that brought down the "born
       into sin" for the rest of mankind is a non-sequitur that is
       without meaning in this context. Is seed of man even in the
       bible? We are not born into sin but we are sinners born, sown,
       planted into this world as per what may well be the most ignored
       scripture in the whole bible: Matt 13:36 Then Jesus dismissed
       the crowds and went into the house. His disciples came to Him
       and said, �Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.�
       37 He replied, �The One who sows the good seed is the Son of
       Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed represents the
       sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39
       and the enemy who sows them is the devil.   These people of the
       kingdom and of the evil one were separated into their separate
       groups BEFORE BEING SOWN INTO THE WORLD!
       [/quote]
       Is seed of man even in the bible?   you don't know?
       Besides you know what I meant. We are descendants  of Adam and
       Eve. Through His seed, We are born into a sin nature. This comes
       from the Blood and does not pay particulars to the DNA of
       neither Man nor Woman.
       you said:" She fell into transgression by allowing the serpent
       to beguile her to disobey"
       The definition of transgression is the disobedience of the Law
       which can be called sin.
       dictionary of Cambridge: "the act or process of breaking a law
       or moral rule, or an example of this: "
       Whether He followed her or decided He LOVED her so much He could
       not live without her is another discussion.  She may have been
       deceived but her transgressions did not bring about the downfall
       of mankind. Adam DID!
       Blade
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       Re: Eve's Blindness
       By: patrick jane Date: October 9, 2020, 7:48 am
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       Blade thanks
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       Re: Eve's Blindness
       By: patrick jane Date: August 15, 2022, 4:49 am
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       Re: Eve's Blindness
       By: patrick jane Date: August 22, 2022, 10:41 am
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       Re: Eve's Blindness
       By: patrick jane Date: August 26, 2022, 5:24 am
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