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DIR Return to: Biblical Pre-Conception Existence Theology (PCE)
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Re: The exegesis flim flam...
DIR By: guest58
Date: August 18, 2020, 12:22 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
> If giving you the word of GOD (his authority) is slandering
you, ok.....He tells us in many places. In Romans 8:29-30. GOD's
word is specific. If your manuals/books for your PCE theology
does not have these then I suggest you change books. I have
nothing against you or your Theology....I compare your PCE Bible
( I use that word lightly here) with the WORD of GOD that has
not changed in over 400 years. One that agrees 99.9% with
manuscripts that did not come out of Alexandria. I consider it
as GOD's WORD.........
> Blade
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You do NOT give me the unchanging word of GOD, you give me an
unchanging INTERPRETATION OF THE WORD OF GOD - an interpretation
that contains many positions hard for the logical and GOD aware
person to hold. In no Bible in the world, in no interpretation
of any scripture is there anything that prohibits PCE from being
the truth! Nothing in any bible that suggests, let alone forces
us to accept, PCE as a blasphemy. Not one!
PCE is an interpretation of the writings about GOD's work with
mankind which denies that
- we are sinners because we inherit Adam's sin by the express
will of God as your valued non-Alexandrian interpretations do.
PCE contends that only by a real free will decision to sin can
someone become sinful...and I use the word real to separate it
from the "we have free will on earth-ers" who deny the plain
meaning of being a slave to sin because their theology cannot
deal with no free will here on earth until rebirth.
- That GOD knew who would end in hell before their creation but
created them anyway! Those who believe this have a smattering of
theology but they do not know GOD at all! This blasphemy makes
GOD the author of all sin because were are only what GOD made
us. PCE contends that GOD created us all, each and every one,
truly innocent and we only became sinners when we chose by our
free will to rebel against HIM.
The fact that 99% of the Church is willing to live with these
blasphemies measures their desperation to make their theologies
"work", NOT their closeness to the Holy Spirit!
Sorry, tout your favourite bible or passage all you want, if you
denigrate the loving righteousness and justice of our Holy GOD,
I cannot abide with you. You accuse me of ignoring your
favourite verses...I accuse you of ignoring the Holy spirit.
#Post#: 16408--------------------------------------------------
Re: The exegesis flim flam...
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: August 18, 2020, 4:03 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Ted T. link=topic=620.msg13037#msg13037
date=1589734812]
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=620.msg7993#msg7993
date=1568856551] He predestinated those of us who HE chose with
no reason given...
--- End Quote ---
This is a huge step up from the Calvinist position that there
was no reason for our election (it was UNconditional) except HE
liked the election of only some and not others.
Is it really such a blasphemy to think that we can know what HIS
reason was by HIS later day revelation? That the reason depends
upon our having had a pre-earth existence is also not a
blasphemy against HIS goodness even though it is highly
heretical in light of orthodoxy's commitment to both our being
created on earth and to the blasphemy of our inherited sin from
Adam. Heresy is against church doctrine so every sect today is
heretical from one point of view or another.
PS
Your choice of font and the shadow box is highly distinctive but
it is also almost unreadable. It is to your credit that I find
in your thoughts the reason to force myself to dig beneath the
surface details of appearance to understand the message...but it
is a chore.
[/quote]
You said: "except HE liked the election of only some and not
others."
Usually when someone tells me they know what GOD likes and
dislikes, it is time to quite speaking with them.....You are no
different.
Have a good day.
Blade
[/quote]
There IS a reason given as to why God elected some and not
others.
Whom He FOREKNEW He also predestinated and those He
predestinated He elected etc.
He foreknew us, before the world was begun He knew us.
But this is not election to be saved per se. This election is to
be conformed to the image of His dear Son. To be a people for
the praise of His glorious grace. Election to be the church, a
city set upon a hill WHY? so that everyone else can be damned?
NO
So that others can find their way back to God. We are elected to
be the light of the world.
This is the meaning of "many are called but few are chosen"
[chosen means elect] it is not that everyone else gets damned
but that through the church they may be SAVED.
#Post#: 16425--------------------------------------------------
Re: The exegesis flim flam...
DIR By: guest58
Date: August 18, 2020, 4:53 pm
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--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
> There IS a reason given as to why God elected some and not
others.
>
> Whom He FOREKNEW He also predestinated and those He
predestinated He elected etc.
>
> He foreknew us, before the world was begun He knew us.
--- End Quote ---
There are two kinds of people, the elect whom HE calls
foreknown and the non-elect whom He claims He NEVER KNEW and
consigns to hell...
'Your answer conflates these two peoples suggesting that those
not foreknown are still called able to enter His Flock.
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
> But this is not election to be saved per se. This election is
to be conformed to the image of His dear Son.
--- End Quote ---
It is impossible to imagine that anyone conformed to HIS Son
will not be saved which makes these two phrases absolutely
equal...to be foreknown is to be saved, to be predestined to be
His Bride, is never condemned if they should sin. Your
distinction is a false distinction signifying nothing.
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
> This is the meaning of "many are called but few are chosen"
[chosen means elect] it is not that everyone else gets damned
but that through the church they may be SAVED.
--- End Quote ---
??? ??? ??? ??...0nly a few being chosen proves that all are
called? A rethink looks to be necessary...
Only a few sinners are chosen because only a few of the faithful
rebelled against GOD and became sinners needing to be born on
earth to come under Christ's death and be saved from their sin.
The vast majority of sinners on earth are the reprobate, those
who rejected all forms of faith in YHWH thus sinning the
unforgivable sin and were passed over for election as unfit to
ever enter His Heaven, only fit by their free will rejection of
faith to be damned.
#Post#: 18587--------------------------------------------------
Re: The exegesis flim flam...
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: October 9, 2020, 7:48 am
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Good posts
#Post#: 31448--------------------------------------------------
Re: The exegesis flim flam...
DIR By: guest116
Date: June 11, 2021, 11:59 pm
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It seems that while good posts and awesome discussions were had,
it kind of strayed away from the film flam of exegesis writings.
Kinda wished it was still on point. Had some questions.
#Post#: 31455--------------------------------------------------
Re: The exegesis flim flam...
DIR By: guest58
Date: June 12, 2021, 10:56 am
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--- Quote from: Chaplain Mark Schmidt link ---
>
>
> Kinda wished it was still on point. Had some questions.
>
--- End Quote ---
I check in here every morning Mark... :)
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