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       Re: The exegesis flim flam...
       By: guest58 Date: August 18, 2020, 12:22 am
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       [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=620.msg16398#msg16398
       date=1597723871]If giving you the word of GOD (his authority) is
       slandering you, ok.....He tells us in many places. In Romans
       8:29-30. GOD's word is specific. If your manuals/books for your
       PCE theology does not have these then I suggest you change
       books. I have nothing against you or your Theology....I compare
       your PCE Bible ( I use that word lightly here) with the WORD of
       GOD that has not changed in over 400 years. One that agrees
       99.9% with manuscripts that did not come out of Alexandria. I
       consider it as GOD's WORD.........
       Blade[/quote]
       You do NOT give me the unchanging word of GOD, you give me an
       unchanging INTERPRETATION OF THE WORD OF GOD - an interpretation
       that contains many positions hard for the logical and GOD aware
       person to hold. In no Bible in the world, in no interpretation
       of any scripture is there anything that prohibits PCE from being
       the truth! Nothing in any bible that suggests, let alone forces
       us to accept, PCE as a blasphemy. Not one!
       PCE is an interpretation of the writings about GOD's work with
       mankind which denies that
       - we are sinners because we inherit Adam's sin by the express
       will of God as your valued non-Alexandrian interpretations do.
       PCE contends that only by a real free will decision to sin can
       someone become sinful...and I use the word real to separate it
       from the "we have free will on earth-ers" who deny the plain
       meaning of being a slave to sin because their theology cannot
       deal with no free will here on earth until rebirth.
       - That GOD knew who would end in hell before their creation but
       created them anyway! Those who believe this have a smattering of
       theology but they do not know GOD at all! This blasphemy makes
       GOD the author of all sin because were are only what GOD made
       us. PCE contends that GOD created us all, each and every one,
       truly innocent and we only became sinners when we chose by our
       free will to rebel against HIM.
       The fact that 99% of the Church is willing to live with these
       blasphemies measures their desperation to make their theologies
       "work", NOT their closeness to the Holy Spirit!
       Sorry, tout your favourite bible or passage all you want, if you
       denigrate the loving righteousness and justice of our Holy GOD,
       I cannot abide with you. You accuse me of ignoring your
       favourite verses...I accuse you of ignoring the Holy spirit.
       #Post#: 16408--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The exegesis flim flam...
       By: Billy Evmur Date: August 18, 2020, 4:03 am
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       [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=620.msg13043#msg13043
       date=1589759083]
       [quote author=Ted T. link=topic=620.msg13037#msg13037
       date=1589734812]
       [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=620.msg7993#msg7993
       date=1568856551][font=verdana] He predestinated those of us who
       HE chose with no reason given...[/font][/quote]
       This is a huge step up from the Calvinist position that there
       was no reason for our election (it was UNconditional) except HE
       liked the election of only some and not others.
       Is it really such a blasphemy to think that we can know what HIS
       reason was by HIS later day revelation? That the reason depends
       upon our having had a pre-earth existence is also not a
       blasphemy against HIS goodness even though it is highly
       heretical in light of orthodoxy's commitment to both our being
       created on earth and to the blasphemy of our inherited sin from
       Adam. Heresy is against church doctrine so every sect today is
       heretical from one point of view or another.
       PS
       Your choice of font and the shadow box is highly distinctive but
       it is also almost unreadable. It is to your credit that I find
       in your thoughts the reason to force myself to dig beneath the
       surface details of appearance to understand the message...but it
       is a chore.
       [/quote]
       You said: "except HE liked the election of only some and not
       others."
       Usually when someone tells me they know what GOD likes and
       dislikes, it is time to quite speaking with them.....You are no
       different.
       Have a good day.
       Blade
       [/quote]
       There IS a reason given as to why God elected some and not
       others.
       Whom He FOREKNEW He also predestinated and those He
       predestinated He elected etc.
       He foreknew us, before the world was begun He knew us.
       But this is not election to be saved per se. This election is to
       be conformed to the image of His dear Son. To be a people for
       the praise of His glorious grace. Election to be the church, a
       city set upon a hill WHY? so that everyone else can be damned?
       NO
       So that others can find their way back to God. We are elected to
       be the light of the world.
       This is the meaning of "many are called but few are chosen"
       [chosen means elect] it is not that everyone else gets damned
       but that through the church they may be SAVED.
       #Post#: 16425--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The exegesis flim flam...
       By: guest58 Date: August 18, 2020, 4:53 pm
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       [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=620.msg16408#msg16408
       date=1597741419]There IS a reason given as to why God elected
       some and not others.
       Whom He FOREKNEW He also predestinated and those He
       predestinated He elected etc.
       He foreknew us, before the world was begun He knew us.[/quote]
       There are two kinds of people, the elect whom HE calls foreknown
       and the non-elect whom He claims He NEVER KNEW and consigns to
       hell...
       'Your answer conflates these two peoples suggesting that those
       not foreknown are still called able to enter His Flock.
       [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=620.msg16408#msg16408
       date=1597741419]But this is not election to be saved per se.
       This election is to be conformed to the image of His dear Son.
       [/quote]
       It is impossible to imagine that anyone conformed to HIS Son
       will not be saved which makes these two phrases absolutely
       equal...to be foreknown is to be saved, to be predestined to be
       His Bride, is never condemned if they should sin. Your
       distinction is a false distinction signifying nothing.
       [quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=620.msg16408#msg16408
       date=1597741419]This is the meaning of "many are called but few
       are chosen" [chosen means elect] it is not that everyone else
       gets damned but that through the church they may be
       SAVED.[/quote] ??? ??? ??? ??...0nly a few being chosen proves
       that all are called? A rethink looks to be necessary...
       Only a few sinners are chosen because only a few of the faithful
       rebelled against GOD and became sinners needing to be born on
       earth to come under Christ's death and be saved from their sin.
       The vast majority of sinners on earth are the reprobate, those
       who rejected all forms of faith in YHWH thus sinning the
       unforgivable sin and were passed over for election as unfit to
       ever enter His Heaven, only fit by their free will rejection of
       faith to be damned.
       #Post#: 18587--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The exegesis flim flam...
       By: patrick jane Date: October 9, 2020, 7:48 am
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       Good posts
       #Post#: 31448--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The exegesis flim flam...
       By: guest116 Date: June 11, 2021, 11:59 pm
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       It seems that while good posts and awesome discussions were had,
       it kind of strayed away from the film flam of exegesis writings.
       
       Kinda wished it was still on point.  Had some questions.
       #Post#: 31455--------------------------------------------------
       Re: The exegesis flim flam...
       By: guest58 Date: June 12, 2021, 10:56 am
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       [quote author=Chaplain Mark Schmidt
       link=topic=620.msg31448#msg31448 date=1623473970]
       Kinda wished it was still on point.  Had some questions.
       [/quote]
       I check in here every morning Mark... :)
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