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#Post#: 7765--------------------------------------------------
Where in Scripture?
DIR By: guest24
Date: August 31, 2019, 1:28 pm
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Anyone who knows me knows I am a stickler for what scripture
really does say. I am also a stickler for consistency. To that
end, someone recently brought up the discussion of self defense
or defence of a family or friend who is being threatened....is
it okay or not from the standpoint of scripture? In the
discussion it was demanded that scripture of a NT believer
defending themselves or others be brought forth. As I thought
on this topic the question came to me, where in scripture was
any NT Christian brought up that was put in a situation in which
they needed to defend self or others that was NOT about their
stand for Christ.
IOW's we are trying to compare apples to oranges in the question
as it is usually asked. We want evidence that it is okay or not
okay to defend oneself or a family member when all scripture
talks about through example is those who suffer for Christ not
for self or personal attacks of family members. Is there a
scripture I am not thinking about that shows how a NT believer
acted when they or their family were personally attacks that was
not about their stand for Christ?
Now before we start the discussion, there are passages that talk
about not retaliating that many people like to parade on this
topic but we aren't talking about retaliation, we are talking
about defending ones self or a family member in something like a
car jacking or home invasion, or even a potential kidnapping.
not a slap on the cheek for being stupid or falsely accused of
something
#Post#: 7769--------------------------------------------------
Re: Where in Scripture?
DIR By: guest8
Date: August 31, 2019, 9:01 pm
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> Anyone who knows me knows I am a stickler for what scripture
really does say. I am also a stickler for consistency. To that
end, someone recently brought up the discussion of self defense
or defence of a family or friend who is being threatened....is
it okay or not from the standpoint of scripture? In the
discussion it was demanded that scripture of a NT believer
defending themselves or others be brought forth. As I thought
on this topic the question came to me, where in scripture was
any NT Christian brought up that was put in a situation in which
they needed to defend self or others that was NOT about their
stand for Christ.
>
>
>
> IOW's we are trying to compare apples to oranges in the
question as it is usually asked. We want evidence that it is
okay or not okay to defend oneself or a family member when all
scripture talks about through example is those who suffer for
Christ not for self or personal attacks of family members. Is
there a scripture I am not thinking about that shows how a NT
believer acted when they or their family were personally attacks
that was not about their stand for Christ?
>
>
>
> Now before we start the discussion, there are passages that
talk about not retaliating that many people like to parade on
this topic but we aren't talking about retaliation, we are
talking about defending ones self or a family member in
something like a car jacking or home invasion, or even a
potential kidnapping. not a slap on the cheek for being stupid
or falsely accused of something
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]
Wow, you certainly can come up with the most controversial
threads.
LOL,,,,,don't take that to heart.....Have a blessed evening, my
friend.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 7771--------------------------------------------------
Re: Where in Scripture?
DIR By: guest17
Date: September 1, 2019, 6:16 am
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> Anyone who knows me knows I am a stickler for what scripture
really does say. I am also a stickler for consistency. To that
end, someone recently brought up the discussion of self defense
or defence of a family or friend who is being threatened....is
it okay or not from the standpoint of scripture? In the
discussion it was demanded that scripture of a NT believer
defending themselves or others be brought forth. As I thought
on this topic the question came to me, where in scripture was
any NT Christian brought up that was put in a situation in which
they needed to defend self or others that was NOT about their
stand for Christ.
>
>
>
> IOW's we are trying to compare apples to oranges in the
question as it is usually asked. We want evidence that it is
okay or not okay to defend oneself or a family member when all
scripture talks about through example is those who suffer for
Christ not for self or personal attacks of family members. Is
there a scripture I am not thinking about that shows how a NT
believer acted when they or their family were personally attacks
that was not about their stand for Christ?
>
>
>
> Now before we start the discussion, there are passages that
talk about not retaliating that many people like to parade on
this topic but we aren't talking about retaliation, we are
talking about defending ones self or a family member in
something like a car jacking or home invasion, or even a
potential kidnapping. not a slap on the cheek for being stupid
or falsely accused of something
>
--- End Quote ---
I can only think of the scripture that talks about the robber
and the home owner not allowing his house to be broken into. The
scripture talks about keeping watch but doesn't mention the
exact things that the home owner can or can't do in that
situation. It says that if the home owner had been awake, he
would not have allowed his house to be broken into. So if the
home owner would not allow his house to be broken into then
obviously he/she would have to do something to prevent that.
Matt. 24:43 But know this: if the house owner had known in what
watch the robber would come, he would have been awake and would
not have allowed his house to be broken into.
I was in that situation before. I was home alone at night with
my three small children. A group of teenagers were at my door
trying to get in. They had already broken into my elderly
neighbor's apartment and attacked and robbed her.
My husband had bought a small gun. I think it was a 22. I wasn't
worried about my possessions. I was worried for the safety of my
children. So I got the gun and I told them through the door that
I had a gun and that they better not try to break in because I
wouldn't hesitate to use it. After a few more verbal threats
they decided to walk away and leave.
#Post#: 7787--------------------------------------------------
Re: Where in Scripture?
DIR By: guest8
Date: September 2, 2019, 7:39 pm
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--- Quote from: truthjourney link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=608.msg7765#msg7765
date=1567276133]
> Anyone who knows me knows I am a stickler for what scripture
really does say. I am also a stickler for consistency. To that
end, someone recently brought up the discussion of self defense
or defence of a family or friend who is being threatened....is
it okay or not from the standpoint of scripture? In the
discussion it was demanded that scripture of a NT believer
defending themselves or others be brought forth. As I thought
on this topic the question came to me, where in scripture was
any NT Christian brought up that was put in a situation in which
they needed to defend self or others that was NOT about their
stand for Christ.
>
>
>
> IOW's we are trying to compare apples to oranges in the
question as it is usually asked. We want evidence that it is
okay or not okay to defend oneself or a family member when all
scripture talks about through example is those who suffer for
Christ not for self or personal attacks of family members. Is
there a scripture I am not thinking about that shows how a NT
believer acted when they or their family were personally attacks
that was not about their stand for Christ?
>
>
>
> Now before we start the discussion, there are passages that
talk about not retaliating that many people like to parade on
this topic but we aren't talking about retaliation, we are
talking about defending ones self or a family member in
something like a car jacking or home invasion, or even a
potential kidnapping. not a slap on the cheek for being stupid
or falsely accused of something
>
--- End Quote ---
I can only think of the scripture that talks about the robber
and the home owner not allowing his house to be broken into. The
scripture talks about keeping watch but doesn't mention the
exact things that the home owner can or can't do in that
situation. It says that if the home owner had been awake, he
would not have allowed his house to be broken into. So if the
home owner would not allow his house to be broken into then
obviously he/she would have to do something to prevent that.
Matt. 24:43 But know this: if the house owner had known in what
watch the robber would come, he would have been awake and would
not have allowed his house to be broken into.
I was in that situation before. I was home alone at night with
my three small children. A group of teenagers were at my door
trying to get in. They had already broken into my elderly
neighbor's apartment and attacked and robbed her.
My husband had bought a small gun. I think it was a 22. I wasn't
worried about my possessions. I was worried for the safety of my
children. So I got the gun and I told them through the door that
I had a gun and that they better not try to break n because I
wouldn't hesitate to use it. After a few more verbal threats
they decided to walk away and leave.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Exodus 22:2-3
Luke 22:36-38..... These verses are referring to missionaries.
There are many more indirect verses.
Be assured, self defense is allowed.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 7796--------------------------------------------------
Re: Where in Scripture?
DIR By: guest24
Date: September 3, 2019, 10:23 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=truthjourney link=topic=608.msg7771#msg7771
date=1567336573]
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=608.msg7765#msg7765
date=1567276133]
> Anyone who knows me knows I am a stickler for what scripture
really does say. I am also a stickler for consistency. To that
end, someone recently brought up the discussion of self defense
or defence of a family or friend who is being threatened....is
it okay or not from the standpoint of scripture? In the
discussion it was demanded that scripture of a NT believer
defending themselves or others be brought forth. As I thought
on this topic the question came to me, where in scripture was
any NT Christian brought up that was put in a situation in which
they needed to defend self or others that was NOT about their
stand for Christ.
>
>
>
> IOW's we are trying to compare apples to oranges in the
question as it is usually asked. We want evidence that it is
okay or not okay to defend oneself or a family member when all
scripture talks about through example is those who suffer for
Christ not for self or personal attacks of family members. Is
there a scripture I am not thinking about that shows how a NT
believer acted when they or their family were personally attacks
that was not about their stand for Christ?
>
>
>
> Now before we start the discussion, there are passages that
talk about not retaliating that many people like to parade on
this topic but we aren't talking about retaliation, we are
talking about defending ones self or a family member in
something like a car jacking or home invasion, or even a
potential kidnapping. not a slap on the cheek for being stupid
or falsely accused of something
>
--- End Quote ---
I can only think of the scripture that talks about the robber
and the home owner not allowing his house to be broken into. The
scripture talks about keeping watch but doesn't mention the
exact things that the home owner can or can't do in that
situation. It says that if the home owner had been awake, he
would not have allowed his house to be broken into. So if the
home owner would not allow his house to be broken into then
obviously he/she would have to do something to prevent that.
Matt. 24:43 But know this: if the house owner had known in what
watch the robber would come, he would have been awake and would
not have allowed his house to be broken into.
I was in that situation before. I was home alone at night with
my three small children. A group of teenagers were at my door
trying to get in. They had already broken into my elderly
neighbor's apartment and attacked and robbed her.
My husband had bought a small gun. I think it was a 22. I wasn't
worried about my possessions. I was worried for the safety of my
children. So I got the gun and I told them through the door that
I had a gun and that they better not try to break n because I
wouldn't hesitate to use it. After a few more verbal threats
they decided to walk away and leave.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Exodus 22:2-3
Luke 22:36-38..... These verses are referring to missionaries.
There are many more indirect verses.
Be assured, self defense is allowed.
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]if it is that clear, provide the scriptures please
#Post#: 18227--------------------------------------------------
Re: Where in Scripture?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: October 2, 2020, 11:40 am
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;D
#Post#: 30282--------------------------------------------------
Re: Where in Scripture?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: May 27, 2021, 4:46 pm
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> ;D
>
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