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#Post#: 7065--------------------------------------------------
If PCE is true, why hide it???
By: guest58 Date: July 15, 2019, 12:54 pm
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If PCE has any truth to it at all why has this been hidden
since Adam came to earth?
You know what I mean by hidden because this is the way some of
our favourite doctrines were not taught but were hidden for
centuries:
- the Deity of the Messiah,
- the teaching that the OT was NOT the end of all scripture, as
per Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I
command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye
may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command
you.,
- that God would incarnate as a man,
- that the Messiah would be an intermediary for prayer,
- The Triune nature of GOD
- nor any hint of Adamic sin before the NT.
Do we not have some verses in the Bible that tell us that the
end times will bring some people (not all) a new or fuller
understanding of God's Revelation, perhaps in a letter or other
written form? Here are a couple of verses but there are many
more.
Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way Daniel: for the words are
closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be
purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do
wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise
shall understand.
Therefore in the end times, we will be given a new
understanding, a revealing of that which has been sealed
previously.
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceala thing: but the
honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Or:
Douay-Rheims Bible
It is the glory of God to conceal the word, and the glory of
kings to search out the speech.
the word, a thing: Strong's H1697: dabar
1) speech, word, speaking, thing
a) speech
b) saying, utterance
c) word, words
d) business, occupation, acts, matter, case, something, manner
(by extension)
Dabar is also the word for commandment as in the 10
commandments, and for the written chronicles of scripture.
Anyone have any idea what hidden words Solomon is talking about
here? Would it be too far a jump to interpret like this:
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a doctrine: but
the honour of kings is to search out what is hidden.
So why was this all not revealed so long ago? What did it
benefit to keep it hidden until the end times? If the reprobate
knew they were here to serve as bad examples about the effects
of the slavery to sin and the eternal nature of their evil (so
as to hurry the sanctification of the fallen church) and then be
judged, then they would act on either one of two impulses:
1. The reprobate would become terrible in their attack on the
earthly Church (sinful and Holy) if they ever realised in this
life that they were going to hell;
or
2. They would hide their true evil nature as much as they could
to continue to deceive the fallen church as long as possible and
so postpone the day of judgement as long as possible which would
extend the suffering of the church from living with evil for an
unknown but longer time.
In other words, their non-Christian love for Christians and
everyone would be the most loving thing on earth....
Keeping PCE hidden
- hides the true nature of the reprobate from their earthly
consciousness
- decreases the enmity of the whole world towards the Church
- shortens the time the fallen church is lost in idolatry and
addicted to sin
- Who would ever have a child knowing that they would arrive as
a sinner bent on evil and you were chosen to civilize the little
bleaters to learn your own lessons? ???
So that's the rough and ready version of what I believe as near
as I can remember what I was taught, what PCE might teach, but I
am a poor spokesman.
#Post#: 7356--------------------------------------------------
Re: If PCE is true, why hide it???
By: patrick jane Date: July 30, 2019, 7:29 pm
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[quote author=Ted T. link=topic=580.msg7065#msg7065
date=1563213282]
If PCE has any truth to it at all why has this been hidden
since Adam came to earth?
You know what I mean by hidden because this is the way some of
our favourite doctrines were not taught but were hidden for
centuries:
- the Deity of the Messiah,
- the teaching that the OT was NOT the end of all scripture, as
per Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I
command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye
may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command
you.,
- that God would incarnate as a man,
- that the Messiah would be an intermediary for prayer,
- The Triune nature of GOD
- nor any hint of Adamic sin before the NT.
Do we not have some verses in the Bible that tell us that the
end times will bring some people (not all) a new or fuller
understanding of God's Revelation, perhaps in a letter or other
written form? Here are a couple of verses but there are many
more.
Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way Daniel: for the words are
closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be
purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do
wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise
shall understand.
Therefore in the end times, we will be given a new
understanding, a revealing of that which has been sealed
previously.
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceala thing: but the
honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Or:
Douay-Rheims Bible
It is the glory of God to conceal the word, and the glory of
kings to search out the speech.
the word, a thing: Strong's H1697: dabar
1) speech, word, speaking, thing
a) speech
b) saying, utterance
c) word, words
d) business, occupation, acts, matter, case, something, manner
(by extension)
Dabar is also the word for commandment as in the 10
commandments, and for the written chronicles of scripture.
Anyone have any idea what hidden words Solomon is talking about
here? Would it be too far a jump to interpret like this:
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a doctrine: but
the honour of kings is to search out what is hidden.
So why was this all not revealed so long ago? What did it
benefit to keep it hidden until the end times? If the reprobate
knew they were here to serve as bad examples about the effects
of the slavery to sin and the eternal nature of their evil (so
as to hurry the sanctification of the fallen church) and then be
judged, then they would act on either one of two impulses:
1. The reprobate would become terrible in their attack on the
earthly Church (sinful and Holy) if they ever realised in this
life that they were going to hell;
or
2. They would hide their true evil nature as much as they could
to continue to deceive the fallen church as long as possible and
so postpone the day of judgement as long as possible which would
extend the suffering of the church from living with evil for an
unknown but longer time.
In other words, their non-Christian love for Christians and
everyone would be the most loving thing on earth....
Keeping PCE hidden
- hides the true nature of the reprobate from their earthly
consciousness
- decreases the enmity of the whole world towards the Church
- shortens the time the fallen church is lost in idolatry and
addicted to sin
- Who would ever have a child knowing that they would arrive as
a sinner bent on evil and you were chosen to civilize the little
bleaters to learn your own lessons? ???
So that's the rough and ready version of what I believe as near
as I can remember what I was taught, what PCE might teach, but I
am a poor spokesman.
[/quote]Great post Ted.
#Post#: 16326--------------------------------------------------
Re: If PCE is true, why hide it???
By: patrick jane Date: August 16, 2020, 9:25 am
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[quote author=Ted T. link=topic=580.msg7065#msg7065
date=1563213282]
If PCE has any truth to it at all why has this been hidden
since Adam came to earth?
You know what I mean by hidden because this is the way some of
our favourite doctrines were not taught but were hidden for
centuries:
- the Deity of the Messiah,
- the teaching that the OT was NOT the end of all scripture, as
per Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I
command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye
may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command
you.,
- that God would incarnate as a man,
- that the Messiah would be an intermediary for prayer,
- The Triune nature of GOD
- nor any hint of Adamic sin before the NT.
Do we not have some verses in the Bible that tell us that the
end times will bring some people (not all) a new or fuller
understanding of God's Revelation, perhaps in a letter or other
written form? Here are a couple of verses but there are many
more.
Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way Daniel: for the words are
closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be
purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do
wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise
shall understand.
Therefore in the end times, we will be given a new
understanding, a revealing of that which has been sealed
previously.
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceala thing: but the
honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Or:
Douay-Rheims Bible
It is the glory of God to conceal the word, and the glory of
kings to search out the speech.
the word, a thing: Strong's H1697: dabar
1) speech, word, speaking, thing
a) speech
b) saying, utterance
c) word, words
d) business, occupation, acts, matter, case, something, manner
(by extension)
Dabar is also the word for commandment as in the 10
commandments, and for the written chronicles of scripture.
Anyone have any idea what hidden words Solomon is talking about
here? Would it be too far a jump to interpret like this:
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a doctrine: but
the honour of kings is to search out what is hidden.
So why was this all not revealed so long ago? What did it
benefit to keep it hidden until the end times? If the reprobate
knew they were here to serve as bad examples about the effects
of the slavery to sin and the eternal nature of their evil (so
as to hurry the sanctification of the fallen church) and then be
judged, then they would act on either one of two impulses:
1. The reprobate would become terrible in their attack on the
earthly Church (sinful and Holy) if they ever realised in this
life that they were going to hell;
or
2. They would hide their true evil nature as much as they could
to continue to deceive the fallen church as long as possible and
so postpone the day of judgement as long as possible which would
extend the suffering of the church from living with evil for an
unknown but longer time.
In other words, their non-Christian love for Christians and
everyone would be the most loving thing on earth....
Keeping PCE hidden
- hides the true nature of the reprobate from their earthly
consciousness
- decreases the enmity of the whole world towards the Church
- shortens the time the fallen church is lost in idolatry and
addicted to sin
- Who would ever have a child knowing that they would arrive as
a sinner bent on evil and you were chosen to civilize the little
bleaters to learn your own lessons? ???
So that's the rough and ready version of what I believe as near
as I can remember what I was taught, what PCE might teach, but I
am a poor spokesman.
[/quote]Some of the same reasons they hide the shape of the
earth.
Romans 1:18-25 KJV -
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all
ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in
unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them;
for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the
world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are
made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are
without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as
God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their
imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image
made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted
beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the
lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between
themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and
served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for
ever. Amen.
#Post#: 18578--------------------------------------------------
Re: If PCE is true, why hide it???
By: patrick jane Date: October 9, 2020, 7:45 am
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