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#Post#: 6997--------------------------------------------------
JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN
DIR By: doug
Date: July 11, 2019, 5:34 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a
ruler of the Jews:
3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi,
we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do
these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say
unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom
of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is
old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be
born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a
man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the
kingdom of God.
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is
born of the Spirit is spirit.
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
To see the kingdom of God a man must be born again.
The kingdom being spoken of is the prophetic Davidic kingdom on
earth, in which Christ will reign along with the believing
remnant, the Israel of God (Exodus 19:5-6 Luke 12:32 Psalm 22:28
Galatians 6:16).
To enter into the kingdom a man must be born of water and of
the Spirit. Israel had to believe on the name of Jesus; believe
he was the Messiah, the Son of God (John 20:31 1 John 5:13).
Jesus is saying that Israel had to repent and confess their sins
as a nation and be water baptized and receive the Holy Spirit
(Acts 2:38).
The Holy Spirit under the fulfillment of the new testament will
cleanse Israel with water and put a new spirit in them and cause
them to walk in his statutes, keep his judgments, and do them
(Ezekiel 36:24-28).
Jesus in saying "Ye must be born again" speaks of the nation of
Israel.
#Post#: 7014--------------------------------------------------
Re: JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN
DIR By: guest8
Date: July 12, 2019, 8:40 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: doug link ---
>
> John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a
ruler of the Jews:
>
> 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi,
we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do
these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
>
> 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say
unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom
of God.
>
> 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is
old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be
born?
>
> 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a
man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the
kingdom of God.
>
> 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which
is born of the Spirit is spirit.
>
> 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
>
> To see the kingdom of God a man must be born again.
>
> The kingdom being spoken of is the prophetic Davidic kingdom
on earth, in which Christ will reign along with the believing
remnant, the Israel of God (Exodus 19:5-6 Luke 12:32 Psalm 22:28
Galatians 6:16).
>
> To enter into the kingdom a man must be born of water and of
the Spirit. Israel had to believe on the name of Jesus; believe
he was the Messiah, the Son of God (John 20:31 1 John 5:13).
Jesus is saying that Israel had to repent and confess their sins
as a nation and be water baptized and receive the Holy Spirit
(Acts 2:38).
>
> The Holy Spirit under the fulfillment of the new testament
will cleanse Israel with water and put a new spirit in them and
cause them to walk in his statutes, keep his judgments, and do
them (Ezekiel 36:24-28).
>
> Jesus in saying "Ye must be born again" speaks of the nation
of Israel.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]
We know from Jeremiah how the New Covenant will be dispensed to
the remnant of Israel. In those last days leading to the
millennium, Jesus will instill His laws and love into the hearts
and minds of the remnant of Israel.
Blade [/shadow]
#Post#: 7714--------------------------------------------------
Re: JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN
DIR By: guest32
Date: August 27, 2019, 10:47 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=doug link=topic=575.msg6997#msg6997
date=1562884450]
> John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a
ruler of the Jews:
>
> 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi,
we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do
these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
>
> 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say
unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom
of God.
>
> 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is
old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be
born?
>
> 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a
man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the
kingdom of God.
>
> 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which
is born of the Spirit is spirit.
>
> 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
>
> To see the kingdom of God a man must be born again.
>
> The kingdom being spoken of is the prophetic Davidic kingdom
on earth, in which Christ will reign along with the believing
remnant, the Israel of God (Exodus 19:5-6 Luke 12:32 Psalm 22:28
Galatians 6:16).
>
> To enter into the kingdom a man must be born of water and of
the Spirit. Israel had to believe on the name of Jesus; believe
he was the Messiah, the Son of God (John 20:31 1 John 5:13).
Jesus is saying that Israel had to repent and confess their sins
as a nation and be water baptized and receive the Holy Spirit
(Acts 2:38).
>
> The Holy Spirit under the fulfillment of the new testament
will cleanse Israel with water and put a new spirit in them and
cause them to walk in his statutes, keep his judgments, and do
them (Ezekiel 36:24-28).
>
> Jesus in saying "Ye must be born again" speaks of the nation
of Israel.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]
We know from Jeremiah how the New Covenant will be dispensed to
the remnant of Israel. In those last days leading to the
millennium, Jesus will instill His laws and love into the hearts
and minds of the remnant of Israel.
Blade [/shadow]
[/quote]Yes, the Ye is plural and is Israel! Thank God someone
is paying attention to details! And let's be sure to show that
their being baptized (baptism of repentance) in water was them
"confessing their sins" according to Matthew 3 and Mark 1/it was
a "baptism of repentance for the remission of sins".
When the times of refreshing comes from the presence of the Lord
(Acts 3:19-21 second coming), that fountain will be opened unto
them according to Zechariah 13!
#Post#: 7726--------------------------------------------------
Re: JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN
DIR By: guest8
Date: August 27, 2019, 11:17 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Phebe link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=575.msg7014#msg7014
date=1562982002]
> [quote author=doug link=topic=575.msg6997#msg6997
date=1562884450]
> John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a
ruler of the Jews:
>
> 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi,
we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do
these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
>
> 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say
unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom
of God.
>
> 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is
old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be
born?
>
> 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a
man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the
kingdom of God.
>
> 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which
is born of the Spirit is spirit.
>
> 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
>
> To see the kingdom of God a man must be born again.
>
> The kingdom being spoken of is the prophetic Davidic kingdom
on earth, in which Christ will reign along with the believing
remnant, the Israel of God (Exodus 19:5-6 Luke 12:32 Psalm 22:28
Galatians 6:16).
>
> To enter into the kingdom a man must be born of water and of
the Spirit. Israel had to believe on the name of Jesus; believe
he was the Messiah, the Son of God (John 20:31 1 John 5:13).
Jesus is saying that Israel had to repent and confess their sins
as a nation and be water baptized and receive the Holy Spirit
(Acts 2:38).
>
> The Holy Spirit under the fulfillment of the new testament
will cleanse Israel with water and put a new spirit in them and
cause them to walk in his statutes, keep his judgments, and do
them (Ezekiel 36:24-28).
>
> Jesus in saying "Ye must be born again" speaks of the nation
of Israel.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]
We know from Jeremiah how the New Covenant will be dispensed to
the remnant of Israel. In those last days leading to the
millennium, Jesus will instill His laws and love into the hearts
and minds of the remnant of Israel.
Blade [/shadow]
[/quote]Yes, the Ye is plural and is Israel! Thank God someone
is paying attention to details! And let's be sure to show that
their being baptized (baptism of repentance) in water was them
"confessing their sins" according to Matthew 3 and Mark 1/it was
a "baptism of repentance for the remission of sins".
When the times of refreshing comes from the presence of the Lord
(Acts 3:19-21 second coming), that fountain will be opened unto
them according to Zechariah 13!
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]The baptism of Israel by John the Baptist was
for washing the body, for repentance of sins. Mat 3:11. This is
not salvation. Repenting of sins is "turning away from them and
not repeating them"
For the first part of Acts, the Church after chapter 2 to
chapter 9, only Jewish people were in the Church. Cornelious was
the first Gentile into the Church (body of Christ).
Israel today is real and out of this population today, will a
remnant be forged who will live in the Millennium. Of course
while they are partially blinded until the fullness of the
Genitles (1/2 of Dan 70th week), there will be those that are
true believers in Jesus Christ and His Gospel. (1 Cor
15:1-4)...These are members of the Church (body of Christ ) and
will be Raptured to Heaven prior to the start of Daniel's 70th
week.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 7730--------------------------------------------------
Re: JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN
DIR By: guest8
Date: August 27, 2019, 11:52 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Phebe link=topic=575.msg7714#msg7714
date=1566920855]
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=575.msg7014#msg7014
date=1562982002]
> [quote author=doug link=topic=575.msg6997#msg6997
date=1562884450]
> John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a
ruler of the Jews:
>
> 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi,
we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do
these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
>
> 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say
unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom
of God.
>
> 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is
old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be
born?
>
> 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a
man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the
kingdom of God.
>
> 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which
is born of the Spirit is spirit.
>
> 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
>
> To see the kingdom of God a man must be born again.
>
> The kingdom being spoken of is the prophetic Davidic kingdom
on earth, in which Christ will reign along with the believing
remnant, the Israel of God (Exodus 19:5-6 Luke 12:32 Psalm 22:28
Galatians 6:16).
>
> To enter into the kingdom a man must be born of water and of
the Spirit. Israel had to believe on the name of Jesus; believe
he was the Messiah, the Son of God (John 20:31 1 John 5:13).
Jesus is saying that Israel had to repent and confess their sins
as a nation and be water baptized and receive the Holy Spirit
(Acts 2:38).
>
> The Holy Spirit under the fulfillment of the new testament
will cleanse Israel with water and put a new spirit in them and
cause them to walk in his statutes, keep his judgments, and do
them (Ezekiel 36:24-28).
>
> Jesus in saying "Ye must be born again" speaks of the nation
of Israel.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]
We know from Jeremiah how the New Covenant will be dispensed to
the remnant of Israel. In those last days leading to the
millennium, Jesus will instill His laws and love into the hearts
and minds of the remnant of Israel.
Blade [/shadow]
[/quote]Yes, the Ye is plural and is Israel! Thank God someone
is paying attention to details! And let's be sure to show that
their being baptized (baptism of repentance) in water was them
"confessing their sins" according to Matthew 3 and Mark 1/it was
a "baptism of repentance for the remission of sins".
When the times of refreshing comes from the presence of the Lord
(Acts 3:19-21 second coming), that fountain will be opened unto
them according to Zechariah 13!
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]The baptism of Israel by John the Baptist was
for washing the body, for repentance of sins. Mat 3:11. This is
not salvation. Repenting of sins is "turning away from them and
not repeating them"
For the first part of Acts, the Church after chapter 2 to
chapter 9, only Jewish people were in the Church. Cornelious was
the first Gentile into the Church (body of Christ).
Israel today is real and out of this population today, will a
remnant be forged who will live in the Millennium. Of course
while they are partially blinded until the fullness of the
Genitles (1/2 of Dan 70th week), there will be those that are
true believers in Jesus Christ and His Gospel. (1 Cor
15:1-4)...These are members of the Church (body of Christ ) and
will be Raptured to Heaven prior to the start of Daniel's 70th
week.
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]God has two pans for Humanity of the
earth...... I have an article on this at this site:
HTML https://3169.createaforum.com/theologians-men-of-god/two-plans-one-jewish-one-gentile/
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 7734--------------------------------------------------
Re: JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: August 28, 2019, 8:24 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Dear brother Blade.
We agree on so much and it is good to join with you in battle
against the anti-Semites.
We have one little area of disagreement about who are the
remnant, I see that it is not the remnant to be born again, but
the disbelieving Jews. The remnant in every mention of them in
either testament are those who remain faithful.
Paul says when he asks "has God cast away the Jews? "God
forbid!" he speaks about the remnant and says "indeed I myself
am an Israelite" he is placing himself among the remnant.
Speaking about the restoration of Israel he says "and so ALL
Israel will be saved".
I know there is a debate to had about what "all" may mean in
this connection ... I think it does mean all.
But also in Zechariah we read that when they shall look upon Him
whom they have pierced they will mourn for Him as for a
firstborn son.
ALL Israel will mourn for Him, God will pour out a spirit of
supplication upon them and they will pray and seek the Lord.
Husbands will separate from their wives to seek Him in a spirit
of prayer. The husbands will seek Him and the wives will seek
Him separately.
This is not amillennialism, this is the start of the new
millennium.
And I do believe that the Jews are to be kept safe during the
Tribulation.
I am of the belief that Israel's time of anguish is over, I
believe God has already turned back to them although they have
not yet turned back to Him.
Blessings, blessings upon all lovers of Israel.
#Post#: 7753--------------------------------------------------
Re: JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN
DIR By: guest8
Date: August 30, 2019, 1:05 am
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> Dear brother Blade.
>
> We agree on so much and it is good to join with you in battle
against the anti-Semites.
>
> We have one little area of disagreement about who are the
remnant, I see that it is not the remnant to be born again, but
the disbelieving Jews. The remnant in every mention of them in
either testament are those who remain faithful.
>
> Paul says when he asks "has God cast away the Jews? "God
forbid!" he speaks about the remnant and says "indeed I myself
am an Israelite" he is placing himself among the remnant.
>
> Speaking about the restoration of Israel he says "and so ALL
Israel will be saved".
> I know there is a debate to had about what "all" may mean in
this connection ... I think it does mean all.
>
> But also in Zechariah we read that when they shall look upon
Him whom they have pierced they will mourn for Him as for a
firstborn son.
>
> ALL Israel will mourn for Him, God will pour out a spirit of
supplication upon them and they will pray and seek the Lord.
Husbands will separate from their wives to seek Him in a spirit
of prayer. The husbands will seek Him and the wives will seek
Him separately.
>
> This is not amillennialism, this is the start of the new
millennium.
>
> And I do believe that the Jews are to be kept safe during the
Tribulation.
>
> I am of the belief that Israel's time of anguish is over, I
believe God has already turned back to them although they have
not yet turned back to Him.
>
> Blessings, blessings upon all lovers of Israel.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]Good evening Brother Billy:
If you wish, we can hash this out in this thread so that others
can follow our reasoning (both sides). However, I must warn you,
I believe you will come over to my side once all is said.
What say you? If you agree, start us out by giving your
reasoning, verses, etc. on why you believe your way. Take your
time and if you want to to do it in parts (i.e. past, present
and future of Israel, etc.) by all means, have at it.
I was aware that you did not believe as I do but we are both for
Israel and her people.
Hope you have a blessed evening.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 7758--------------------------------------------------
Re: JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: August 30, 2019, 3:47 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[font=times new roman][size=14pt][color=blue]I don't really want
to get into a wrangle too much, it is bad enough fighting off
the ant-semites. You present them with what really are
unassailable scriptures which they simply ignore and present
scriptures which they cherry pick that seem to support their own
view, and they are so dishonest.
But to simply state my case :)
You can read the early chapters of any of the prophets and see
from them that they were to be punished and eventually removed
from the land, the outlook is bleak. "Oh that my head was a
fountain of tears" cries Jeremiah when he sees the evil that
will fall upon his people.
Folks read these prophecies and that's where they get their idea
that Israel is going to cop it big time.
But they are looking in the wrong place. They are reading the
FALL of Israel which we all know about. But as well as the fall
of Israel all the prophets tell about the eventual RISE of
Israel, their restoration and for this you have to read the
later chapters of Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel etc.
Let me zero in to the matter at hand, how Israel will fare in
the last days.
Jeremiah ch.30.v.3-11
[size=14pt][/[color=blue]For behold the days are coming says the
Lord when I will restore the fortunes of My people, Israel and
Judah says the Lord, and I will bring them back to the land
which I gave to their fathers and they shall take possession of
it.
These are the words which the Lord spoke concerning Israel and
Judah
Thus says the Lord
we have heard a cry of panic, of terror and not peace,
ask now and see, can a man bear a child?
why then do I see every man with his hands on his loins like a
woman in labour?
why has every face turned pale?
Alas! that day is so great there is none like it, it is the
time of Jacob's trouble
BUT
he shall be saved out of it
and it shall come to pass in that day says the Lord of hosts
that I will break the yoke off their necks and I will burst
their bonds and strangers shall no more make servants of them.
But they shall serve the Lord their God and David their king
whom I will raise up for them.
So FEAR NOT O Jacob My servant, BE NOT DISMAYED O Israel for lo
I will SAVE YOU from afar and your offspring from the land of
their captivity
Jacob shall return AND HAVE QUIET AND EASE AND NONE SHALL MAKE
HIM AFRAID. for I am with you to SAVE you says the Lord
I will make a full end of all the nations among whom I scattered
you but of you I will not make a full end.
I will chasten you in just measure and I will by no means leave
you unpunished.
+
You see from this that the time of Jacob's trouble is in view or
the Great Trouble, like no other before or since. The Great
Tribulation.
But God says they will be saved, they will even be at ease and
none shall make them afraid.
Now the later prophecies concerning Israel in Isaiah and Ezekiel
say exactly the same thing, it is the time of vindication for
the Jews.
Daniel.12.v.1=3
At that time shall arise Michael the great prince who has charge
of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble such as has
never been since there was a nation till that time
BUT
at that time your people shall be delivered. Every one whose
name shall be found written in the book. And many of those who
sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting
life and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the
firmament and those who turn many to righteousness like the
stars forever and ever.
+
You see it again, the time of great trouble, and the Jews are
delivered.
#Post#: 7759--------------------------------------------------
Re: JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: August 30, 2019, 4:26 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
Just look at what God says to Jeremiah
Everybody afraid, panicking, WHY? God asks, why are you afraid?
why all this talk of terror?
Does a man travail in childbirth?
You see Israel is God's firstborn son
It is the WOMAN who travails in childbirth ... the church
#Post#: 7760--------------------------------------------------
Re: JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN
DIR By: guest8
Date: August 30, 2019, 8:35 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
--- Quote from: Billy Evmur link ---
>
> [font=times new roman][size=14pt][color=blue]I don't really
want to get into a wrangle too much, it is bad enough fighting
off the ant-semites. You present them with what really are
unassailable scriptures which they simply ignore and present
scriptures which they cherry pick that seem to support their own
view, and they are so dishonest.
>
> But to simply state my case :)
>
> You can read the early chapters of any of the prophets and see
from them that they were to be punished and eventually removed
from the land, the outlook is bleak. "Oh that my head was a
fountain of tears" cries Jeremiah when he sees the evil that
will fall upon his people.
>
> Folks read these prophecies and that's where they get their
idea that Israel is going to cop it big time.
>
> But they are looking in the wrong place. They are reading the
FALL of Israel which we all know about. But as well as the fall
of Israel all the prophets tell about the eventual RISE of
Israel, their restoration and for this you have to read the
later chapters of Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel etc.
>
> Let me zero in to the matter at hand, how Israel will fare in
the last days.
>
> Jeremiah ch.30.v.3-11
> [size=14pt][/[color=blue]For behold the days are coming says
the Lord when I will restore the fortunes of My people, Israel
and Judah says the Lord, and I will bring them back to the land
which I gave to their fathers and they shall take possession of
it.
>
> These are the words which the Lord spoke concerning Israel and
Judah
>
> Thus says the Lord
> we have heard a cry of panic, of terror and not peace,
> ask now and see, can a man bear a child?
> why then do I see every man with his hands on his loins like a
woman in labour?
> why has every face turned pale?
>
> Alas! that day is so great there is none like it, it is the
time of Jacob's trouble
>
> BUT
>
> he shall be saved out of it
>
> and it shall come to pass in that day says the Lord of hosts
that I will break the yoke off their necks and I will burst
their bonds and strangers shall no more make servants of them.
But they shall serve the Lord their God and David their king
whom I will raise up for them.
>
> So FEAR NOT O Jacob My servant, BE NOT DISMAYED O Israel for
lo I will SAVE YOU from afar and your offspring from the land of
their captivity
>
> Jacob shall return AND HAVE QUIET AND EASE AND NONE SHALL MAKE
HIM AFRAID. for I am with you to SAVE you says the Lord
> I will make a full end of all the nations among whom I
scattered you but of you I will not make a full end.
> I will chasten you in just measure and I will by no means
leave you unpunished.
> +
> You see from this that the time of Jacob's trouble is in view
or the Great Trouble, like no other before or since. The Great
Tribulation.
>
> But God says they will be saved, they will even be at ease and
none shall make them afraid.
>
> Now the later prophecies concerning Israel in Isaiah and
Ezekiel say exactly the same thing, it is the time of
vindication for the Jews.
>
> Daniel.12.v.1=3
> At that time shall arise Michael the great prince who has
charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble such
as has never been since there was a nation till that time
>
> BUT
>
> at that time your people shall be delivered. Every one whose
name shall be found written in the book. And many of those who
sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting
life and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
>
> And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the
firmament and those who turn many to righteousness like the
stars forever and ever.
>
> +
> You see it again, the time of great trouble, and the Jews are
delivered.
>
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[shadow=blue,left]Billy, I have a hard time reading your text
when it is written in dark blue.
As far as Jeremiah, Isaiah go, I agree with you. Yet, their
prophecies for the most part are in chunks and are in no
particular order. We see this more in Isaiah than the others.
Jacob's Trouble corresponds to the second half of Daniel's 70th
week which is also spoke of as "the Great Tribulation" by Jesus
in the Gospels.
This time period begins with the Antichrist/Satan (son of
Perdition) committing the AoD. From the prophecy Jesus gave
those in the temple that day (Luke 21), those who believe in
those words,and see the AoD happen will flee Jerusalem to the
mountains of Petra in Jordan.
Notice only those in Jerusalem are going to flee. Also, not
every Jewish person will believe in this prophecy (see today the
abandonment of the Lord). Jesus tells us that 2/3 of the Jewish
population will die. The 1/3 will receive the New Covenant and
will receive the land GOD promised them from the Abrahamic and
other covenants. They will live during the Millennium ruling
over all Israel with the Lord Jesus.
You have one problem that i see and that is you consider that
Jesus will save all Israel. The remnant according to the bible
will be only 1/3 of the population during those days. By the
way, roughly 1/3 of Israel died
under Hitler's Germany.
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