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       Re: Current Events
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       Re: Hong Kong 2019
       By: patrick jane Date: October 4, 2019, 9:02 am
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       The Prophetic Voice of Hong Kong’s Protesters
       The political forces in the region also pose an existential
       threat to the church.
       The people of Hong Kong have protested for greater freedoms for
       years, but the latest demonstrations represent a historic
       outcry.
       Since 1997, July 1 has marked the anniversary of Hong Kong’s
       return as a territory of China after 150 years of British
       colonial rule. Beginning in 2003, it is also the date of annual
       protests by Hong Kong residents calling for increased democracy.
       These demonstrations have been generally peaceful—until this
       summer, when a group of protesters stormed the Legislative
       Council parliament building. They were angry at what they saw as
       China’s most recent, and most egregious, effort to weaken the
       freedoms of Hong Kongers.
       In April, Carrie Lam, the chief executive of Hong Kong, had
       introduced a bill that would allow Hong Kong to detain and
       transfer people wanted in countries and territories with which
       Hong Kong has no formal extradition agreement, including
       mainland China and Taiwan. The bill, she argued, was necessary
       to send a Hong Kong man wanted for murder to trial in Taiwan. It
       specifically included exemptions for political crimes, religious
       crimes, and certain white-collar crimes.
       The Hong Kong public, though, saw the bill as a thinly veiled
       ploy to give China additional power over the semi-autonomous
       territory. The bill has kicked off nearly four months of
       protests that have, at times, had as many as 1.7 million
       participants—a remarkable number for a city of 7.4 million
       people.
       Even as the extradition bill was suspended by Lam, and then
       withdrawn altogether, the protests against Chinese overreach
       have continued, with turnout spiking leading up to another
       anniversary: National Day. October 1 marks the 70th annual
       commemoration of the founding of the People's Republic of China.
       Aside from the bill itself, four of the protesters’ five main
       demands remain: Lam’s resignation, an inquiry into police
       brutality, the release of those arrested, and greater democratic
       freedoms.
       Many Hong Kong Christians, while comprising less than 12 percent
       of the population, have played a prominent role in the
       protests—marching, singing hymns, holding prayer circles, and
       providing food and shelter to other demonstrators. (The Jesus
       People song “Sing Hallelujah to the Lord” became an unexpected
       anthem of the protests, as participants sang the tune to calm
       confrontations with police.)
       For Christians there, the Chinese Communist Party may be the
       greatest existential threat to the Hong Kong church. In the past
       few years Chinese president Xi Jinping has systematically
       cracked down on Christianity in the mainland, razing churches,
       arresting leaders, and ejecting foreign missionaries. The
       persecution has extended to other faiths, with Xi’s government
       detaining as many as one million Muslim Uighur people in
       re-education camps in the country’s western region.
       Under the Hong Kong Basic Law, a constitution agreed to by the
       United Kingdom and the People’s Republic of China when the
       former handed Hong Kong back to the latter, none of these things
       should happen in Hong Kong—at least not until 2047, when the
       Basic Law and Hong Kong’s semi-autonomy expire.
       But in the 22 years since Hong Kong became part of China again,
       the Communist country has shown a willingness to push the
       boundaries of that agreement. The Hong Kong legislature is
       stacked with pro-Beijing lawmakers; the supposedly free press is
       regularly censored. On multiple occasions, China has pushed for
       history curriculum in Hong Kong schools that, among other
       things, erases significant events like Mao Zedong’s disastrous
       Great Leap Forward campaign and the Tiananmen Square massacre.
       Electoral reforms proposed by Beijing, which gave the Chinese
       Communist Party more influence over who was eligible to run for
       office in Hong Kong, sparked the Umbrella Movement in 2014.
       Even without an extradition agreement, China has already shown
       its willingness to abduct and detain Hong Kong residents that
       have angered Communist leaders. Most notably, five Hong Kong
       booksellers who sold books critical of Chinese leaders
       disappeared in 2015, claiming later that they had been
       imprisoned on the mainland. In a country where as many as 99.9
       percent of defendants are found guilty, the idea of justice is
       questionable at best.
       For Chinese Christians within the diaspora, the threat from the
       mainland is no less real. Those born in the 1930s and 1940s grew
       up as Mao Zedong and his staunchly atheist Communist Party came
       to power. Many Chinese Christians who now live abroad fled after
       the establishment of the People’s Republic of China, with Hong
       Kong often being one of their first stops toward the freedom to
       practice their faith.
       Today Hong Kong remains the safest haven on the border of
       mainland China for missionaries and ministries, where they go to
       purchase supplies, attend trainings, post on social media, or
       simply to escape the ever watchful Chinese authorities, known
       for monitoring communications and the movements of foreigners.
       Hong Kong often serves as the staging ground or headquarters for
       missions efforts into the mainland. As China attempts to exert
       greater control over Hong Kong, their work is even more at risk.
       Of course, no protest movement is perfect in its motivations and
       actions. Protesters in Hong Kong have been criticized for
       shutting down the city’s bustling international airport on
       multiple occasions, damaging government buildings, scuffling
       with police, and harming the tourism industry.
       But even flawed protest movements can provide a prophetic voice,
       bringing to light the forces threatened by a people who are free
       and empowered. The demonstrators’ persistent efforts have
       highlighted police brutality; they have incurred the aggression
       of the Triads, organized crime syndicates in Hong Kong.
       Protest leaders, including Joshua Wong, a Christian activist who
       rose to prominence during the 2014 protests, and anti-Beijing
       lawmakers have been arrested. The Chinese military is amassing
       security forces on the Hong Kong border as a stark warning to
       the protesters about the possible consequences of their actions.
       In recent years, the international community has been more
       inclined to overlook China’s curbing of human and political
       rights within the mainland and its territories, in hopes of
       currying favor with the economic and military superpower. But
       with these protests, it has become much harder to ignore the
       fact that China ranks 135th on the Human Freedom Index.
       Activists from Hong Kong have recently testified before the
       United Nations Human Rights Council and the US Congress.
       At this point, no one knows how the story unfolding in Hong Kong
       will end. Some could even argue that their efforts are futile,
       given that, in a short 28 years, Hong Kongers will have lost all
       claim to their existing freedoms and political systems. The many
       thriving churches and ministries in Hong Kong may be forced to
       close their doors or go underground after 2047.
       But, for now, they continue to raise their voices. They continue
       to march. And the spotlight continues to shine into some of the
       darkest corners of Chinese rule.
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       Re: Hong Kong 2019
       By: patrick jane Date: October 7, 2019, 3:11 am
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       Re: Hong Kong 2019
       By: patrick jane Date: November 19, 2019, 10:47 am
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       Praying for Hong Kong Can Be Politically Disruptive—Even in
       America
       Why Chinese diaspora churches remain silent while Christians in
       Hong Kong take to the streets.
       On the afternoon of Sunday, August 18, about 70 people gathered
       for a prayer meeting at a church in Vancouver organized by the
       group Vancouver Christians for Love, Peace, and Justice. Their
       focus was the same as their three previous gatherings: to pray
       for the ongoing demonstrations in Hong Kong, for those affected,
       and for human rights and freedom in the city of 7.4 million
       people.
       Before the meeting ended, the Tenth Street church building was
       surrounded by as many as 100 pro-China demonstrators waving
       Chinese and Canadian flags. The attendees inside, according to a
       spokesperson, feared for their safety and were escorted out by
       Vancouver police officers.
       This confrontation took place more than 6,300 miles from Hong
       Kong and six months after Chief Executive Carrie Lam introduced
       a controversial extradition bill that would allow fugitives to
       be extradited into mainland China. The proposal was seen as a
       ploy to grant Beijing more power over the city, setting off
       large-scale demonstrations that have continued to this day.
       While Lam canceled the extradition bill in September, unrest has
       continued as protesters press for Lam’s resignation, an inquiry
       into police brutality during the protests, the release of those
       arrested, and greater democratic freedoms.
       The situation in Hong Kong hits close to home for the 500,000
       Hong Kong immigrants residing in Canada and the more than
       200,000 in the US. Many still have relatives and friends in Hong
       Kong, which is part of China but governed by separate laws.
       Others have directly benefitted from the freedoms and
       opportunities offered by the semi-autonomous region.
       Pastor John D. L. Young grew up in Guangdong Province in
       mainland China, and then spent about six years studying for his
       doctoral degree in Hong Kong before immigrating to the US. “I
       have great affection for Hong Kong. My studies in Hong Kong were
       financially supported by churches there,” Young, who now leads
       two Methodist Chinese churches in the New York metropolitan
       area, said in a recent interview with CT. Speaking in Cantonese,
       he explained, “The church in Hong Kong has given me a lot of
       support and encouragement. They provide a lot of love and
       financial support to the church in China also.”
       But these deep ties to Hong Kong have not been enough for
       Chinese churches in North America to take a public stance.
       Meanwhile, Christians in Hong Kong have played an active role in
       the protests: marching, offering food and shelter to
       demonstrators, and attempting to diffuse tensions with the
       police.
       The Hong Kong Christian Council published a strongly worded
       statement in July, calling for the suspension of the extradition
       bill and an independent inquiry into police brutality. In
       contrast, the Chinese church in North America—numbering more
       than 1,000 institutions in the US alone—has been largely silent.
       The choice not to publicly comment on the Hong Kong protests is
       an intentional one, with Chinese Christian leaders fearing
       repercussions from both their own congregants and external
       supporters of Beijing.
       According to Fenggang Yang, founding director of the Center on
       Religion and Chinese Society at Purdue University and author of
       Chinese Christians in America, the majority of Chinese churches
       in the diaspora have members who come from different regions of
       East Asia. “In most congregations, you will find people from
       Hong Kong, Taiwan, mainland China, and southeast Asia,” Yang
       told CT. “Ten years ago, mainland Chinese were still a minority
       in many churches. Now many have a majority from the People’s
       Republic of China.”
       Different origins among ethnic Chinese immigrants can foster
       different political views, with more Christians from China
       supporting the policies of the Chinese government, and those
       from elsewhere often more critical of the Chinese Communist
       Party. Even among Chinese immigrants from the same place, views
       on the situation in Hong Kong can diverge greatly depending on
       age, personal politics, and tolerance for civil disobedience.
       “When you have very nationalistic Chinese Christians and more
       democratic Chinese Christians, it’s hard for them to have any
       meaningful conversation,” said Yang. At his own home church in
       Indiana, a longtime member from Taiwan offered a prayer for the
       situation in Hong Kong, and another member from China
       immediately filed a complaint with church leaders.
       The simplest solution, then, among Chinese church leaders and
       laypeople in the diaspora, is to remain avidly apolitical. There
       is a hard-fought sense of unity within Chinese churches, which
       gather immigrants of diverse backgrounds around shared culture
       and ethnicity. But this unity can be easily disrupted by
       discussions of controversial or complex political issues.
       The current situation in Hong Kong is particularly fraught, as
       it presses on uncomfortable questions of sovereignty,
       nationalism, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, civic
       responsibility, and personal loyalties.
       “Just as Hong Kong Christians most want peace, those in the
       diaspora also want peace in their churches and in Hong Kong,”
       explains Justin Tse, a social and cultural geographer and the
       lead editor of Theological Reflections on the Hong Kong Umbrella
       Movement, which covers the 2014 protests considered a precursor
       to today’s demonstrations.
       As violence has escalated between Hong Kong protesters,
       opponents of the demonstrations, and the police, leading to
       several fatalities and serious injuries in recent weeks, prayers
       for peace are not inconsequential. Prayers for peace are
       certainly significant for the number of Hong Kong pastors who
       are regularly serving as front-line peacemakers in the
       demonstrations, trying to calm tensions and act as buffers in
       confrontations between protesters and police
       But Tse is concerned that broad statements or prayers about
       peace have become a proxy for more substantive conversations.
       “One of my longstanding concerns about the Chinese church is
       that when stuff happens that is upsetting to people in general,
       they don’t want to talk about it,” Tse explains. “Because they
       don’t want to talk about it, they don’t want to learn about it.
       But in not talking about it, they are talking about it.”
       There’s a belief among many Chinese pastors that it’s simply not
       their place. Chinese churches in North America have generally
       stayed out of partisan debates, with the notable exception of
       being vocal opponents of same-sex marriage.
       Joseph Chun, a Hong Kong native who is now the senior pastor of
       First Chinese Baptist Church in Los Angeles, said that he has
       his own personal views of the demonstrations in Hong Kong. “But
       I would not influence my people to have the same opinion I
       have,” he told CT. “That is not my role, to press my opinion
       upon my people that I am shepherding.” Instead, he focuses on
       teaching them biblical principles, such as what is evil and good
       and merciful, and lets them make up their own minds.
       Several Chinese pastors in the US declined to be interviewed for
       this article, citing similar reasons: They don’t want to speak
       for their congregations; they don’t want to risk harming the
       unity of their community; they don’t feel like they know enough;
       or they haven’t discussed the Hong Kong protests at all with
       their churches.
       Kevin Xiyi Yao, a native of mainland China who is now an
       associate professor of World Christianity and Asian Studies at
       Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, understands why Chinese
       congregations in North America choose not to take sides on
       controversial political issues. But, in this case, he believes
       they’re missing an opportunity to address a fundamental
       challenge that extends beyond current events and plagues Chinese
       people as a whole: a strong prejudice against other Chinese
       based on language, culture, and geographic origin.
       In the current demonstrations, “I would say there is a lot of
       rhetoric and mentality of parochialism and outright
       discrimination,” he told CT in a recent interview. Among many
       Hong Kong protesters, there is an overt bias against people from
       mainland China. Many mainland Chinese, in turn, see Hong Kongers
       as entitled troublemakers. Such prejudices are often brought
       into Chinese churches in the diaspora—but they aren’t discussed.
       Addressing such biases “could be painful in the short term, but
       in the long term it’s good for the health of the church, to make
       the church stronger. If you want to cover it over to maintain
       the peace on the surface, then you end up with a weak church,”
       said Yao. As an alternative, he recommends that church leaders
       “talk about what reconciliation means. Let’s talk about issues
       of social justice. What’s the Christian vision of a just and
       peaceful society?”
       For now, these kinds of conversations are rare among North
       American Chinese churches. And while church leaders fear that
       speaking out about Hong Kong or other hot button topics could
       drive out members, silence could very well have the same effect.
       Tse, for example, is part of a group of second-generation
       Chinese Americans and Chinese Canadians who left the evangelical
       church after its refusal to address the 2014 Umbrella Movement
       in Hong Kong.
       As the few churches and Chinese Christian leaders who have
       spoken out have discovered, there are risks to being vocal. Tse
       knows of several congregations that support the Hong Kong
       protests, including his own Eastern Catholic congregation in the
       suburbs of Vancouver, that have been visited by strangers who
       photographed all the attendees and posted their images on social
       media. Others, like Vancouver Christians for Love, Peace, and
       Justice, have been harassed by pro-China demonstrators.
       It’s also common for Chinese churches in the diaspora to be
       connected to ministries and Christian leaders in Hong Kong and
       China through giving, missions work, and denominational ties.
       They fear that if they become known as outspoken pro-democracy
       advocates, their partners could face harassment and oppression
       by Chinese authorities.
       And yet refusing to engage with current events, especially when
       it concerns human rights and social justice, comes with its own
       costs, according to Tenth Church senior pastor Ken Shigematsu.
       “There’s a danger in being politically partisan, but there’s
       also a danger in not speaking out prophetically and boldly on
       the issues of our day,” he told CT. “And I would say that’s an
       even greater danger.”
       Despite the incident on one of his church’s five sites back in
       August, Shigematsu continues to encourage prayer and dialogue
       about the demonstrations in Hong Kong within his multiethnic
       congregation. He hopes that more pastors will do the same.
       “I would say that it’s important to be informed on the issues,
       to be praying for wisdom and discernment. But when we see human
       rights violated, intimidation and violence, I believe that it’s
       important as pastors to speak out against those kinds of
       injustices,” he said. “There sometimes is an overlap between
       justice issues and political issues. When that happens, we’re
       not going to shy away from the issue. We’ll sometimes wade into
       controversy.”
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       Re: Hong Kong 2019
       By: guest8 Date: November 19, 2019, 8:13 pm
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       Praying for Hong Kong Can Be Politically Disruptive—Even in
       America
       Why Chinese diaspora churches remain silent while Christians in
       Hong Kong take to the streets.
       On the afternoon of Sunday, August 18, about 70 people gathered
       for a prayer meeting at a church in Vancouver organized by the
       group Vancouver Christians for Love, Peace, and Justice. Their
       focus was the same as their three previous gatherings: to pray
       for the ongoing demonstrations in Hong Kong, for those affected,
       and for human rights and freedom in the city of 7.4 million
       people.
       Before the meeting ended, the Tenth Street church building was
       surrounded by as many as 100 pro-China demonstrators waving
       Chinese and Canadian flags. The attendees inside, according to a
       spokesperson, feared for their safety and were escorted out by
       Vancouver police officers.
       This confrontation took place more than 6,300 miles from Hong
       Kong and six months after Chief Executive Carrie Lam introduced
       a controversial extradition bill that would allow fugitives to
       be extradited into mainland China. The proposal was seen as a
       ploy to grant Beijing more power over the city, setting off
       large-scale demonstrations that have continued to this day.
       While Lam canceled the extradition bill in September, unrest has
       continued as protesters press for Lam’s resignation, an inquiry
       into police brutality during the protests, the release of those
       arrested, and greater democratic freedoms.
       The situation in Hong Kong hits close to home for the 500,000
       Hong Kong immigrants residing in Canada and the more than
       200,000 in the US. Many still have relatives and friends in Hong
       Kong, which is part of China but governed by separate laws.
       Others have directly benefitted from the freedoms and
       opportunities offered by the semi-autonomous region.
       Pastor John D. L. Young grew up in Guangdong Province in
       mainland China, and then spent about six years studying for his
       doctoral degree in Hong Kong before immigrating to the US. “I
       have great affection for Hong Kong. My studies in Hong Kong were
       financially supported by churches there,” Young, who now leads
       two Methodist Chinese churches in the New York metropolitan
       area, said in a recent interview with CT. Speaking in Cantonese,
       he explained, “The church in Hong Kong has given me a lot of
       support and encouragement. They provide a lot of love and
       financial support to the church in China also.”
       But these deep ties to Hong Kong have not been enough for
       Chinese churches in North America to take a public stance.
       Meanwhile, Christians in Hong Kong have played an active role in
       the protests: marching, offering food and shelter to
       demonstrators, and attempting to diffuse tensions with the
       police.
       The Hong Kong Christian Council published a strongly worded
       statement in July, calling for the suspension of the extradition
       bill and an independent inquiry into police brutality. In
       contrast, the Chinese church in North America—numbering more
       than 1,000 institutions in the US alone—has been largely silent.
       The choice not to publicly comment on the Hong Kong protests is
       an intentional one, with Chinese Christian leaders fearing
       repercussions from both their own congregants and external
       supporters of Beijing.
       According to Fenggang Yang, founding director of the Center on
       Religion and Chinese Society at Purdue University and author of
       Chinese Christians in America, the majority of Chinese churches
       in the diaspora have members who come from different regions of
       East Asia. “In most congregations, you will find people from
       Hong Kong, Taiwan, mainland China, and southeast Asia,” Yang
       told CT. “Ten years ago, mainland Chinese were still a minority
       in many churches. Now many have a majority from the People’s
       Republic of China.”
       Different origins among ethnic Chinese immigrants can foster
       different political views, with more Christians from China
       supporting the policies of the Chinese government, and those
       from elsewhere often more critical of the Chinese Communist
       Party. Even among Chinese immigrants from the same place, views
       on the situation in Hong Kong can diverge greatly depending on
       age, personal politics, and tolerance for civil disobedience.
       “When you have very nationalistic Chinese Christians and more
       democratic Chinese Christians, it’s hard for them to have any
       meaningful conversation,” said Yang. At his own home church in
       Indiana, a longtime member from Taiwan offered a prayer for the
       situation in Hong Kong, and another member from China
       immediately filed a complaint with church leaders.
       The simplest solution, then, among Chinese church leaders and
       laypeople in the diaspora, is to remain avidly apolitical. There
       is a hard-fought sense of unity within Chinese churches, which
       gather immigrants of diverse backgrounds around shared culture
       and ethnicity. But this unity can be easily disrupted by
       discussions of controversial or complex political issues.
       The current situation in Hong Kong is particularly fraught, as
       it presses on uncomfortable questions of sovereignty,
       nationalism, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, civic
       responsibility, and personal loyalties.
       “Just as Hong Kong Christians most want peace, those in the
       diaspora also want peace in their churches and in Hong Kong,”
       explains Justin Tse, a social and cultural geographer and the
       lead editor of Theological Reflections on the Hong Kong Umbrella
       Movement, which covers the 2014 protests considered a precursor
       to today’s demonstrations.
       As violence has escalated between Hong Kong protesters,
       opponents of the demonstrations, and the police, leading to
       several fatalities and serious injuries in recent weeks, prayers
       for peace are not inconsequential. Prayers for peace are
       certainly significant for the number of Hong Kong pastors who
       are regularly serving as front-line peacemakers in the
       demonstrations, trying to calm tensions and act as buffers in
       confrontations between protesters and police
       But Tse is concerned that broad statements or prayers about
       peace have become a proxy for more substantive conversations.
       “One of my longstanding concerns about the Chinese church is
       that when stuff happens that is upsetting to people in general,
       they don’t want to talk about it,” Tse explains. “Because they
       don’t want to talk about it, they don’t want to learn about it.
       But in not talking about it, they are talking about it.”
       There’s a belief among many Chinese pastors that it’s simply not
       their place. Chinese churches in North America have generally
       stayed out of partisan debates, with the notable exception of
       being vocal opponents of same-sex marriage.
       Joseph Chun, a Hong Kong native who is now the senior pastor of
       First Chinese Baptist Church in Los Angeles, said that he has
       his own personal views of the demonstrations in Hong Kong. “But
       I would not influence my people to have the same opinion I
       have,” he told CT. “That is not my role, to press my opinion
       upon my people that I am shepherding.” Instead, he focuses on
       teaching them biblical principles, such as what is evil and good
       and merciful, and lets them make up their own minds.
       Several Chinese pastors in the US declined to be interviewed for
       this article, citing similar reasons: They don’t want to speak
       for their congregations; they don’t want to risk harming the
       unity of their community; they don’t feel like they know enough;
       or they haven’t discussed the Hong Kong protests at all with
       their churches.
       Kevin Xiyi Yao, a native of mainland China who is now an
       associate professor of World Christianity and Asian Studies at
       Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, understands why Chinese
       congregations in North America choose not to take sides on
       controversial political issues. But, in this case, he believes
       they’re missing an opportunity to address a fundamental
       challenge that extends beyond current events and plagues Chinese
       people as a whole: a strong prejudice against other Chinese
       based on language, culture, and geographic origin.
       In the current demonstrations, “I would say there is a lot of
       rhetoric and mentality of parochialism and outright
       discrimination,” he told CT in a recent interview. Among many
       Hong Kong protesters, there is an overt bias against people from
       mainland China. Many mainland Chinese, in turn, see Hong Kongers
       as entitled troublemakers. Such prejudices are often brought
       into Chinese churches in the diaspora—but they aren’t discussed.
       Addressing such biases “could be painful in the short term, but
       in the long term it’s good for the health of the church, to make
       the church stronger. If you want to cover it over to maintain
       the peace on the surface, then you end up with a weak church,”
       said Yao. As an alternative, he recommends that church leaders
       “talk about what reconciliation means. Let’s talk about issues
       of social justice. What’s the Christian vision of a just and
       peaceful society?”
       For now, these kinds of conversations are rare among North
       American Chinese churches. And while church leaders fear that
       speaking out about Hong Kong or other hot button topics could
       drive out members, silence could very well have the same effect.
       Tse, for example, is part of a group of second-generation
       Chinese Americans and Chinese Canadians who left the evangelical
       church after its refusal to address the 2014 Umbrella Movement
       in Hong Kong.
       As the few churches and Chinese Christian leaders who have
       spoken out have discovered, there are risks to being vocal. Tse
       knows of several congregations that support the Hong Kong
       protests, including his own Eastern Catholic congregation in the
       suburbs of Vancouver, that have been visited by strangers who
       photographed all the attendees and posted their images on social
       media. Others, like Vancouver Christians for Love, Peace, and
       Justice, have been harassed by pro-China demonstrators.
       It’s also common for Chinese churches in the diaspora to be
       connected to ministries and Christian leaders in Hong Kong and
       China through giving, missions work, and denominational ties.
       They fear that if they become known as outspoken pro-democracy
       advocates, their partners could face harassment and oppression
       by Chinese authorities.
       And yet refusing to engage with current events, especially when
       it concerns human rights and social justice, comes with its own
       costs, according to Tenth Church senior pastor Ken Shigematsu.
       “There’s a danger in being politically partisan, but there’s
       also a danger in not speaking out prophetically and boldly on
       the issues of our day,” he told CT. “And I would say that’s an
       even greater danger.”
       Despite the incident on one of his church’s five sites back in
       August, Shigematsu continues to encourage prayer and dialogue
       about the demonstrations in Hong Kong within his multiethnic
       congregation. He hopes that more pastors will do the same.
       “I would say that it’s important to be informed on the issues,
       to be praying for wisdom and discernment. But when we see human
       rights violated, intimidation and violence, I believe that it’s
       important as pastors to speak out against those kinds of
       injustices,” he said. “There sometimes is an overlap between
       justice issues and political issues. When that happens, we’re
       not going to shy away from the issue. We’ll sometimes wade into
       controversy.”
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       Re: Hong Kong 2019
       By: patrick jane Date: June 6, 2020, 1:45 pm
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       Hong Kong Christians Respond as Beijing’s Grip Tightens
       Pastors repent for staying silent to protect ministry at the
       expense of justice.
       Moments before law enforcement officers violently cleared
       protesters in Lafayette Park so President Donald Trump could
       walk from the White House to St. John’s Church and have his
       picture taken holding a Bible, a journalist who had recently
       spent months on the streets of Hong Kong confidently donned a
       gas mask while nearby colleagues looked on confusedly as they
       became engulfed in the ensuing melee.
       Chemical irritants and flash-bang grenades are not the only
       similarities between the clashes taking place in Washington DC
       and those that have consumed Hong Kong for the past year. As in
       the United States, Christians in Hong Kong struggle to define
       their role in a society marred by institutionalized injustice
       and sharp division.
       An open letter drafted by a group of evangelical pastors,
       theologians, and parachurch leaders and signed by more than
       2,400 Christians in Hong Kong echoed sentiments shared by many
       believers in the US and elsewhere in the world: commitment to
       the fullness of the gospel; refusal to submit to an
       authoritarian regime; dedication to walk with the people of
       their community; and the church’s need to repent of apathy and
       inaction.
       Whether in Washington or Hong Kong, the current conflicts center
       around abuse of official power. In Hong Kong’s case, China’s
       central government has effectively thrown out the “one country,
       two systems” formula under which the former British colony was
       to be governed for 50 years after 1997. Smashing through the
       wall of separation that was meant to protect the city from the
       vagaries of China’s socialist legal system, China’s leaders are
       now unilaterally imposing draconian national security measures
       that would render illegal any opposition in word or action to
       the regime in Beijing.
       While Hong Kong churches and the many Christian organizations
       that play a vital role in the city’s social infrastructure
       continue to enjoy freedom as before, many have curtailed their
       outreach activities in mainland China. (Believers account for
       about 12 percent of the population in Hong Kong, compared with
       about 7 percent on the mainland.
       Under the new security legislation, the appearance of
       connections to foreign “anti-China” individuals or groups, or to
       local political activists, could have possible legal
       consequences. So could speaking out on sensitive issues,
       including the treatment of Christians in the mainland.
       Declaring God’s sovereignty in the face of this political
       overreach, the Hong Kong pastors stated in their letter:
       “The King of Heaven does not rule by controlling the world.
       Rather, He rules by showing His love and humble servitude….
       Thus, as the King of Heaven, His political blueprint is ‘to
       proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim
       freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind,
       to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s
       favor.’ (Luke 4:18-19)”
       Their letter confessed that churches have been “too focused on
       their internal affairs” and neglected social justice—including
       speaking up for oppressed minorities in the city—and have been
       silent in the face of mounting authoritarianism:
       “When facing the authority’s strong governance and the
       persecution and suppression towards the dissidents, churches
       often chose to protect themselves. They engaged in
       self-censorship and remained silent towards the evil deeds of
       the authority, with their only wish being the smooth and
       uninterrupted operation of church ministries.”
       Proclaiming Christ as the highest authority, the pastors offered
       “sincere repentance” and vowed not to submit to the leadership
       of any government entity or political party whose demands run
       counter to biblical teaching.
       Pent-up Frustration
       Similar to those protesting the murder of George Floyd in
       Minneapolis police custody, Hong Kong’s protesters are voicing
       the pent-up frustration of years of seeing personal liberties
       eroded as the Chinese government has systematically tightened
       its stranglehold on the city’s media, schools, civic
       organizations, and the business community, including a vibrant
       expat population that is key to Hong Kong’s status as an
       international financial center.
       “Everybody understands that Hong Kong is very useful to China
       for the exchange of currency and many other things,” said
       Cardinal Joseph Zen, bishop emeritus of Hong Kong, in an
       interview last month. “And now, they are ready to destroy
       everything, and we can do nothing because Hong Kong is a small
       thing—[China] can crush it as they like.”
       Many local politicians across the US have encouraged their
       citizens to seek change at the polls, not merely in the streets.
       In Hong Kong, however, the goalposts for universal suffrage
       promised under the “one country, two systems” framework continue
       to move further downfield with every new decision emanating from
       Beijing.
       Hong Kong’s protestors have grown weary of tone-deaf local
       officials charged with looking out for the city’s interests who
       have increasingly defined those interests in terms of Beijing’s
       demands. This includes championing restrictive election reform
       measures designed to strengthen central government control, as
       well as white elephant infrastructure projects that enrich
       mainland companies and local business elites.
       On the streets of Hong Kong, living under the watchful eye of
       what had been considered “Asia’s Finest” brings not reassurance
       but fear, compounded by the eventuality of China’s own national
       security agents being introduced into Hong Kong as part of the
       new national security provisions. In the eyes of those assigned
       to protect them, the people of Hong Kong have become the enemy,
       some being labeled as terrorists by officials.
       Now that the gloves are off and Beijing has chosen to bypass
       Hong Kong’s partially elected legislature entirely, the local
       government has become largely irrelevant. Like many of those
       seen on American streets this week, Hong Kong’s protesters feel
       they have reached the end of their rope; there is no legitimate
       forum in which to air their grievances.
       “We have nothing good to hope for,” said Cardinal Zen. “Hong
       Kong is simply completely under [China’s] control. We depend on
       China even for our food and water. But we put ourselves in the
       hands of God.”
       Institutional Sins
       The conflicts raging on the streets of Hong Kong and the US did
       not appear overnight, but are the result of deep-rooted
       institutional sins.
       Hong Kong’s lopsided prosperity and its tenuous political
       situation are, paradoxically, the twin offspring of
       colonization, beginning with Britain’s military conquest in the
       opium wars of the mid-19th century. While in the 1980s, hopes of
       China’s eventual democratization inspired the optimistic
       rhetoric of the “one country, two systems” formula, Hong Kong
       has since gone from being seen as a laboratory for what China
       could become to an example of what China’s paranoid leaders fear
       most.
       As these leaders become increasingly anti-foreign, Hong Kong
       becomes a casualty in the unraveling of China’s relationships
       with the West. How the Trump administration chooses to follow
       through on its recent determination that Hong Kong is no longer
       sufficiently autonomous to warrant special treatment will
       significantly impact the city’s future.
       Like a tear gas canister lobbed abruptly into an unsuspecting
       crowd, the mainland government’s recent moves have left those
       who sought lasting change for Hong Kong gasping for air.
       For many Hong Kong Christians, it is neither a time to retreat
       nor to take political matters into their own hands, but rather
       to double down on their commitment to the people of Hong Kong.
       As Mimi Lau, a journalist with Hong Kong’s English daily South
       China Morning Post, urged in a Twitter thread:
       “#HKers : now is not the time to desert your home. Rise up to
       your roles, become a KOL [key opinion leader] in your own fields
       and stand by your core values and believes. Most importantly,
       have #Faith. #HongKong is worth fighting for.
       …
       What else can I do as a #HK journalist? What can I do as a
       disciple of Christ? What can I do as a friend, as a collegue
       [sic], as a member of my community, as a daughter and as a
       sister? What would I give to #StandWithHongKong ?”
       The pastors in their open letter pledged that “no matter how
       tough it gets, we shall hold onto our duty as the church to walk
       together with all Hongkongers, and to uphold Hong Kong
       ceaselessly with prayers and pastoral care, as a living
       testimony of ‘Emmanuel’ — God is here with those who are
       suffering.”
       Affirming their belief that God will lead Hong Kong people
       through the dark days ahead, they offered a reminder that seems
       equally appropriate for Christians in the politically fractured
       United States:
       “The church is neither a political party or a political
       organization, therefore, political agendas or demands should not
       become the main focus of the church. However, when facing
       injustice and evilness in the society, the church should act as
       the social conscience and fulfil [sic] its prophetic role to
       denounce injustice, to proclaim the will of God, and to bear
       witness to truth.”
       Brent Fulton is founder and catalyst of ChinaSource.
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       Re: Hong Kong 2019
       By: patrick jane Date: March 17, 2021, 4:25 pm
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       China will assume more control and more power in Hong Kong now.
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