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JUDGEMENT POSTPONED
DIR By: guest58
Date: June 9, 2019, 10:03 pm
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JUDGEMENT POSTPONED
This category deals with some Scriptures which I feel have
something to say about why GOD has not brought HIS enemies to
judgement yet. Why the holy, all powerful, infinitely loving GOD
still allows evil persons to exist in seemingly as much freedom
as the righteous is probably the biggest mystery (apparent
contradiction to some) in the mirky Christian view of things. In
other words, no one has really come up with an answer that the
majority of Christians find acceptable[1] for such questions as:
why didn't GOD judge all the evil angels when they rebelled (why
they were just put out of Paradise and left free to roam the
earthly realms - why hasn't GOD judged the serpent?); and why
hasn't Jesus returned to hold His judgement yet?
Well, pre-conception existence theology has an answer, to wit:
that it was GOD's intention to judge all evil persons (which
includes all the evil angels) at the very first opportunity
(which took place over 5000 years ago) but that HIS judgement
had to be postponed because of the unwillingness of some of HIS
elect creatures to join HIM in this judgement (and because of
HIS unwillingness to condemn them along with the eternally
evil). Therefore, HIS judgement has and will continue to be
postponed until all of HIS elect become willing to join HIM in
it.[2]
Genesis 15:16 But in the fourth generation they (the
Israelites) shall come hither (to the Promised Land) again: for
the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. Now, the thing
that I'd like you to note is that Israel's return to the
Promised Land had to be postponed. My first question is why did
it have to be postponed? Was it because the iniquity of the
Amorites was not yet full enough for their judgement? Okay, then
my second question is who wasn't it full enough for? It should
be obvious to anyone who knows anything about the totally
defiling nature of just one sin, that the Amorites were full
enough in GOD's sight already.[3] So then, just who still looked
on their iniquity as not being full yet, that is, as not being
bad enough to warrant this judgement (that had to take place
before Israel's return)?
According to pre-conception existence theology, there was a four
generation postponement of GOD's judgement because the Amorites
were not yet bad enough in the eyes of the Israelites for the
Israelites to be willing to judge them according to the
judgement decreed by GOD. Therefore, the Israelites became and
had to stay enslaved in Egypt[4] until they became willing to
judge them, that is, until the Israelites became holy (obedient)
enough to see them all judged: men, women and children. (See
Joshua 6:21; 8:26,27; 10:40[5])
Now, this judgement against the Amorites is typical of the
judgement that has to take place before we can inherit the
antitypical “Promised Land”, ie, before GOD's people can enter
into the truest millennium. According to pre-conception
existence theology, this antitypical judgement has also been
postponed, once again because the elect do not yet look on the
iniquity of HIS enemies as being bad enough to warrant HIS
eternal judgement and wrath on them. Therefore, we too have had
to remain in Egypt[6], that is, outside of the “Promised Land”,
still waiting until we become holy enough to have all of GOD's
enemies (men, women and children, even the ones that look like
little wee babies!) killed, that is, judged and forever exiled
to hell. Need I say more?[7]
Matthew 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The
servants said unto Him, Wilt Thou then that we go and gather
them up? 29 But He said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares,
ye root up also the wheat with them Whose fault was it that
GOD's enemies got to do this mixing up? Was GOD too weak to stop
them? Or are we to believe that this waiting had to be because
GOD could not teach HIS angels to differentiate between HIS
children and HIS enemies? (Are the angels blind too?) Surely we
cannot believe that GOD was unable to bring about this
separation because of some fault in HIM or HIS angels, right?
Then, the fault that caused this mix up and delay must be in the
wheat. Hence, from this parable we should be able to see that
the judgement of GOD has been delayed because the elect are not
separate in spirit from the non-elect, and that for this reason
they will have to live together until the tares can be gathered,
that is, separated from the elect and burned [8] without any
harm coming to any one of the elect.
Matthew 22:3 And (HE) sent forth HIS servants to call them that
were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. 4 Again, HE
sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden,
Behold, I have prepared MY dinner: MY oxen and MY fatlings are
killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. In
this parable we can see that the marriage (feast) was ready to
take place, and would have, if those who were invited had come.
But they would not, twice even! Therefore it kept being
postponed presumably until the time when it would be furnished
with guests.
Now since this marriage (feast) takes place before the
judgement, then the judgement must also have been postponed, and
if we look for a reason, it must be because the guests would not
come (out from among HIS enemies) to the marriage feast. So once
again we receive the witness that the judgement of GOD has been
postponed because of the unholiness of HIS people, which means
something theological I think.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the
prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often
would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen
gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Jerusalem went into political dispersion around 600 BC. Since
that time they have never really ever been all together within
their own country, under their own (Jewish) king. Christ said
that He had the solution to their big problem, to wit: His
kingdom (regathering and sovereign protection). Moreover, He
said that He had been ready to put His salvation into action
many times previously. Unfortunately, His salvation-regathering
was conditional and it would seem that they had never been
willing to do their part. Therefore it had been postponed each
and every time. Moreover, we can see that “Jerusalem” still was
not willing to do its part.
Now I hope that you are also able to see that this little story
is only typical of a much larger story that has a judgement in
it. Therefore once again we have a witness to the effect that
GOD is ready to proceed with HIS judgement but that it has been
postponed because of the disobedience, rebellion, unwillingness
to leave the world and unholiness of His people (the reasons for
why they would not). [9]
Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right
hand, Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom
prepared for you from the foundation of the world. If the
kingdom was prepared away back then, why will it take so much
time for us to enter it? Perhaps it's because these things have
been postponed since that time. According to pre-conception
theology, this verse has a much fuller meaning than any other
theology gives it, to wit: prepared for you means that we could
have entered it way back when, like, even back when we used to
think Adam and Eve had it.
Romans 9:22 What if GOD, willing to show HIS wrath, and to
make HIS power known, endured with much long-suffering the
vessels of wrath fitted to destruction? This verse says that
GOD was (is) willing to judge and prove [10] to HIS people that
HE is the sovereign GOD, but that HE has to endure with much
long-suffering the temporary abrogation of justice concerning
those vessels doomed to wrath. In verse 23 ( Romans 9:23 And
that HE might make known the riches of HIS glory on the vessels
of mercy, which HE had afore prepared unto glory. Paul gives a
reason why GOD had to do this thing which he obviously did not
like or want, that being so that HE could show all the elect the
riches of HIS glory. This must include the fact that HIS way is
so much better than any other way, and that HIS judgement is
necessary, that it can not be abrogated if we are going to live
in peace with HIM in HIS kingdom. [11]
According to the adherents of pre-conception theology, that is
what you are supposed to be learning down here. That is what GOD
wants you to learn from this life. Now wouldn't you say that
they match really well? This verse also presupposes that the
vessels of wrath existed all during this time of postponement,
for when we consider that the number of those who will be judged
is a known and fixed number in GOD's omniscient sight, we must
also realise that they all must have existed at the very first
time HE was willing to bring them to judgement. This then
constitutes another proof of their existence before their
conception.
1 Peter 4:5 Who shall give account to Him that is ready to
judge the quick and the dead. If GOD is ready to judge them why
doesn't HE do it? ??? !!!! What in the world (hint hint) is
stopping HIM if HE is ready? Something must be stopping HIM if
HE is ready but it isn't happening. Hence, we can see additional
testimony that GOD's judgement has been and still is being
postponed against HIS will.
2 Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be
dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy
conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the
coming of the day of GOD. In verse 12, hasting unto may mean
“hastening the coming”, as the NIV has it, “speed its coming”.
If this is true, then one can not help but wonder how it is
possible that we can hasten the coming of the day of GOD's
judgement? What part do we have in it? Well, may I suggest that
if it was postponed because of our disobedience (unholiness),
then we probably will have to repent of that disobedience and
get into all holy conversation before it will happen.
Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw
under the altar [12] the souls of them that were slain for the
word of GOD, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they
cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O LORD, holy and
true, dost THOU not judge and avenge our blood on them that
dwell on the earth?[13] 11 And white robes were given unto every
one of them: and it was said unto them, that they should rest
yet for a little season, until their fellow-servants also and
their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be
fulfilled. Well, from these verses we can see a few things.
First, some people were definitely holy, that is, the ones that
had already been martyred. They were ready to go to the
judgement. [14] Second,we can see that GOD wasn't ready to go,
even though HE is holy and true. Third, we can see part of the
reason why GOD wasn't ready to go, to wit: it was necessary that
some more of GOD's children be martyred.
Now, the question that comes to mind is why did they have to be
martyred? Why couldn't GOD hold HIS judgement right then and
save them from all that torment and pain? According to
pre-conception theology, HIS judgement had to be postponed, that
is, couldn't happen yet, because some of GOD's children were
still unholy, that is, if HE held the judgement right then, they
would be condemned too. Therefore, HIS judgement had to be
postponed until after they all were martyred, that is, made holy
through martyrdom, because that's what it would take for them to
become holy. [15] (Sense, reason and the Bible weren’t working
for them.)
Revelation 10:6 And sware by Him that liveth forever and ever,
Who created heaven, and the things therein are, and the earth,
and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things
which are therein, that there should be time no longer. Someone
in his commentary (#21) said: “The translation of this phrase in
the AV (KJV) is very misleading: 'that there should be time no
longer.'..." What the angel announces is that there will be no
more time intervening before the coming of the end.
The consummation will be no longer delayed; the prayers of the
saints 6:10 [16] are about to be answered.” Well then, surmising
that this comment is correct and that we have understood it
correctly, we can see that this verse intimates that the
judgement of GOD has been delayed, that is, that it was suppose
to happen earlier but something stopped it.
Do you still have any doubts as to the cause of this
postponement? Could you be unwilling to let GOD vent his wrath
(hurt to HIS utmost) and exile to the Lake of Fire and Brimstone
forever, your "nice" but unfaithful, unholy, friend, baby, [17]
child or partner? Perhaps it would be good to remind you of
Matthew 10:34-37 Think not that I am come to send peace on
earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to
set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter
against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother
in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He
that loveth father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me:
and he that loveth son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of
Me.
In Conclusion
From these Scriptures it seems to be fairly apparent that GOD's
judgement is being delayed, and that this delay is against HIS
will. In other words, something is forcing the all-powerful GOD
to do something HE does not want to do. What solution do you
have for this problem? Does it really fit in well with all the
other Scriptures? What part of YHWH's self-attesting revelation
to us do you have to sacrifice to make it creditable?
May I verily, verily suggest that only pre-conception theology
has an answer for this peculiar situation that does not ask its
adherents to set aside other Scriptures or to look on GOD as
being other than infinitely loving, all powerful and holy. Think
about it! This is the only one that is right about the meaning
of life and history. [18] All the rest are wrong! [19]
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Notes for: Judgement Postponed.
1. I'm not saying that we haven't come up with any. There are
some around, but none of them seems that easy to digest in the
opinion of the vast majority of Christians.
2. In other words, we haven't so much a war between good and
evil as we have a war between GOD and HIS people, with the evil
getting to beat on both of THEm. (Just the old divide and
conquer routine. Works pretty good eh? One of the big keys to
the devil’s successes on this planet has been his ability to
keep the good people in the different countries divided, that
is, against each other. He uses false priests to do it.)
3. Like, when GOD finally judges the world, HE is going to
condemn “a lot of people who are not near as bad as the Amorites
were”.
4. Or wandering in the wilderness, if they'd been freed from
Egypt.
5. Joshua 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the
city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and
ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 8:26,27 For Joshua drew
not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until
he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. Only the
cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto
themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which HE
commanded Joshua. Joshua 10:40 So Joshua smote all the country
of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the
springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but
utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD GOD of Israel
commanded.
6. Or, wandering in the wilderness, if we've been converted.
7. Undoubtedly!!!!
8. Any tares in your immediate area that need gathered up and
burned? They have all had over 5000 years to repent you know. Do
you really think that they will change their mind if we give
them a few more years? Or will they just use the time to poison
and destroy the Earth some more?
9. It sort of looks like some still don't believe Him about
which is the better place to be. They'd still rather be out in
the world eating big, fat, juicy worms! But they'd better watch
out because the other end of that “incredibly huge worm” has a
very big serpent’s head on it!!!!!
10. Not necessarily for the first time!
11. Many put forth another interpretation to the effect that the
riches of HIS glory means HIS power and justice. This
interpretation is not valid because, first, as stated in Romans
1:20 For the invisible things of HIM from the creation of the
world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are
made, even HIS eternal power and GODHEAD; so that they are
without excuse:, HIS power has been known since the beginning;
and second, because of the fact that a perfect system of justice
does not need a criminal in order to be perfect. Even if one is
unwilling to accept this fact, one must still accept that a
system of justice which needs a criminal in order to be
perfectly appreciated, still does not need more than one
criminal. Hence, GOD would have to put only one person in hell
for us to have the complete appreciation of the riches of HIS
glory.
12. Altars are for altering things.
13. Notice that they didn't ask “why”, just how long.
14. It's also interesting to note that they did not get their
white robes before this (like when they became converted or went
up to heaven). They got them only after they had made this
saving confession of faith unto holiness.
15. Like, how many times have you prayed the prayer of holiness?
Will you have to be martyred first? I believe quite a few
Christians think that there will be a lot of martyrs in the last
days. (Needless to say, they don't get to preach very often.) If
they're right about it, what do you think your chances are of
escaping it? Well, I'll tell you: if you're not willing to be
holy, they are exactly zero! Hell's angels are coming for you!
16. Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying,
How long, O LORD, holy and true, doest THOU not judge and avenge
our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
17. Of course GOD wouldn't judge your baby if it had just been
created but, if it has been in existence as a spiritually
knowledgeable, sinning, unrepentant satanic person for over 5000
years, He just might eh?
18. Just like the first time, when all the Jews were wrong about
the Messiah. If they were going to keep being right with HIM,
they had to change then, didn't they? And I'll wager that if you
are going to keep being right with HIM this time, you are going
to have to change too. But hey, it’s nicer once you’ve made the
change.
19. And it's not just a case of the present day theologies
simply being outdated by a new theology. No indeed!! They've
always been wrong.
I once asked a budding theologian to criticise this manuscript.
He got this far and stopped (somewhat dead in his tracks)
leaving me with this comment: “I would scrap the last lines of
this chapter. The thought of attaining an ultimate revelation is
coercive and presumptuous to me! JEHOVAH has never committed
HIMSELF in detail, and through the vast, very vast studies that
I have entertained, I have never encountered such a childish,
mediocre, presumptuous statement as all the rest are wrong. This
is not in accordance with a spirit of luminosity. To assume,
that through the centuries, ALL that theologians have written is
wrong, is an ultimate statement of PRIDE!, especially coming
from you, who knows so little and has studied so few!”
To this spirit of luminosity and brotherhood (he says that I'm
still and will always be his brother in the LORD) in my defence,
I would like to say that, first of all, I have never claimed to
have the ultimate revelation, just another revelation. I leave
it up to those who have studied this new revelation to decide
for themselves if it’s an ultimate revelation or not.
Second, I believe that YHWH has committed HIMSELF in some detail
regularly throughout the ages. We usually call it the Bible and
it has a lot of concrete details in it. To supply a key that
makes the details make much more sense, although it might be
coercive (toward holiness and true humility) certainly is not
presumptuous, especially if one has been given the key and told
to disclose it, especially if the key has been shown to work,
which has been the case with every Christian (thus far) who has
spent enough time to learn how to use the pre-existence key to a
much fuller (or enlightened) Christian understanding.
Thirdly, all the books in our very vast libraries contain next
to nothing on pre-existence. Therefore everyone, including those
who might have read almost every book, is a neophyte when it
comes to pre-existence... well, almost everyone. I have spent
over twelve years studying pre-existence theology at the time if
this writing. I believe that these studies put me twelve years
ahead of even the best read theologians.
Fourthly, I do admit that faulting all the rest is not in accord
with the present day “spirit of luminosity”. (But see Matthew
7:29 For He taught them as One having authority, and not as the
scribes.) Of course, those of that spirit can't say that I am
wrong either then can they? And if pre-existence is true to any
extent, then anyone can say (and be wholly correct) that all of
them are wrong about it (all, except perhaps the Mormons, who do
know about it but don’t understand it very well at all). This is
not presumption. It is only very basic and sound reason
asserting itself. (If the Earth is round, to say so isn't
presumption! And to say that all the flat earthists are wrong
about it isn't either, especially when one has a lot more
biblical proof than they do!)
Fifth, there is a world of difference between saying “all the
rest are wrong”, and “the rest are all wrong”. Of course,
asserting the second is insane, but I didn't say that. [Maybe it
was some spirits in his mind (luminous ones no doubt) that got
him to think that I did. Any doubts as to whether it was these
same luminous spirits who also inspired him to slander me in the
last line? Funny things start to happen when one rejects the
truth, eh!]
Sixth, as to my so-called lack of study, I do admit that I have
not studied all the theological books simply because my studies
have been almost exclusively in the area of pre-conception
existence. Besides this narrowing of my endeavours to previously
unexplored territory, I was commanded to spend more than a few
years in concentrated study on GOD's Word (which studies must be
differentiated from studying what someone else has to say about
GOD's Word. There is quite a difference!) So although I may be
thought ignorant regarding the various undulations of flat Earth
theology and all its great wisdom, I still don't apologise for
not wasting my time on it, that is, for spending my time reading
mostly the Bible and concentrating on pre-conception existence
theology as the Lord directed me.
Face it, soon (like as soon as you understand this whole book)
you're going to have to admit that every theologian we've had in
the last 1900 years has either been too stupid or too lazy to
explore the territory of our pre-conception existence or else
you will have to admit that I've been given a revelation that
was not to be given before this time.
#Post#: 6217--------------------------------------------------
Re: JUDGEMENT POSTPONED
DIR By: guest8
Date: June 10, 2019, 3:47 pm
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--- Quote from: Ted T. link ---
>
> JUDGEMENT POSTPONED
> This category deals with some Scriptures which I feel have
something to say about why GOD has not brought HIS enemies to
judgement yet. Why the holy, all powerful, infinitely loving GOD
still allows evil persons to exist in seemingly as much freedom
as the righteous is probably the biggest mystery (apparent
contradiction to some) in the mirky Christian view of things. In
other words, no one has really come up with an answer that the
majority of Christians find acceptable[1] for such questions as:
why didn't GOD judge all the evil angels when they rebelled (why
they were just put out of Paradise and left free to roam the
earthly realms - why hasn't GOD judged the serpent?); and why
hasn't Jesus returned to hold His judgement yet?
>
> Well, pre-conception existence theology has an answer, to
wit: that it was GOD's intention to judge all evil persons
(which includes all the evil angels) at the very first
opportunity (which took place over 5000 years ago) but that HIS
judgement had to be postponed because of the unwillingness of
some of HIS elect creatures to join HIM in this judgement (and
because of HIS unwillingness to condemn them along with the
eternally evil). Therefore, HIS judgement has and will continue
to be postponed until all of HIS elect become willing to join
HIM in it.[2]
>
> Genesis 15:16 But in the fourth generation they (the
Israelites) shall come hither (to the Promised Land) again: for
the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. Now, the thing
that I'd like you to note is that Israel's return to the
Promised Land had to be postponed. My first question is why did
it have to be postponed? Was it because the iniquity of the
Amorites was not yet full enough for their judgement? Okay, then
my second question is who wasn't it full enough for? It should
be obvious to anyone who knows anything about the totally
defiling nature of just one sin, that the Amorites were full
enough in GOD's sight already.[3] So then, just who still looked
on their iniquity as not being full yet, that is, as not being
bad enough to warrant this judgement (that had to take place
before Israel's return)?
>
> According to pre-conception existence theology, there was a
four generation postponement of GOD's judgement because the
Amorites were not yet bad enough in the eyes of the Israelites
for the Israelites to be willing to judge them according to the
judgement decreed by GOD. Therefore, the Israelites became and
had to stay enslaved in Egypt[4] until they became willing to
judge them, that is, until the Israelites became holy (obedient)
enough to see them all judged: men, women and children. (See
Joshua 6:21; 8:26,27; 10:40[5])
>
> Now, this judgement against the Amorites is typical of the
judgement that has to take place before we can inherit the
antitypical “Promised Land”, ie, before GOD's people can enter
into the truest millennium. According to pre-conception
existence theology, this antitypical judgement has also been
postponed, once again because the elect do not yet look on the
iniquity of HIS enemies as being bad enough to warrant HIS
eternal judgement and wrath on them. Therefore, we too have had
to remain in Egypt[6], that is, outside of the “Promised Land”,
still waiting until we become holy enough to have all of GOD's
enemies (men, women and children, even the ones that look like
little wee babies!) killed, that is, judged and forever exiled
to hell. Need I say more?[7]
>
> Matthew 13:28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this.
The servants said unto Him, Wilt Thou then that we go and gather
them up? 29 But He said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares,
ye root up also the wheat with them Whose fault was it that
GOD's enemies got to do this mixing up? Was GOD too weak to stop
them? Or are we to believe that this waiting had to be because
GOD could not teach HIS angels to differentiate between HIS
children and HIS enemies? (Are the angels blind too?) Surely we
cannot believe that GOD was unable to bring about this
separation because of some fault in HIM or HIS angels, right?
Then, the fault that caused this mix up and delay must be in the
wheat. Hence, from this parable we should be able to see that
the judgement of GOD has been delayed because the elect are not
separate in spirit from the non-elect, and that for this reason
they will have to live together until the tares can be gathered,
that is, separated from the elect and burned [8] without any
harm coming to any one of the elect.
>
> Matthew 22:3 And (HE) sent forth HIS servants to call them
that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. 4
Again, HE sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are
bidden, Behold, I have prepared MY dinner: MY oxen and MY
fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the
marriage. In this parable we can see that the marriage (feast)
was ready to take place, and would have, if those who were
invited had come. But they would not, twice even! Therefore it
kept being postponed presumably until the time when it would be
furnished with guests.
>
> Now since this marriage (feast) takes place before the
judgement, then the judgement must also have been postponed, and
if we look for a reason, it must be because the guests would not
come (out from among HIS enemies) to the marriage feast. So once
again we receive the witness that the judgement of GOD has been
postponed because of the unholiness of HIS people, which means
something theological I think.
>
> Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the
prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often
would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen
gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Jerusalem went into political dispersion around 600 BC. Since
that time they have never really ever been all together within
their own country, under their own (Jewish) king. Christ said
that He had the solution to their big problem, to wit: His
kingdom (regathering and sovereign protection). Moreover, He
said that He had been ready to put His salvation into action
many times previously. Unfortunately, His salvation-regathering
was conditional and it would seem that they had never been
willing to do their part. Therefore it had been postponed each
and every time. Moreover, we can see that “Jerusalem” still was
not willing to do its part.
>
> Now I hope that you are also able to see that this little
story is only typical of a much larger story that has a
judgement in it. Therefore once again we have a witness to the
effect that GOD is ready to proceed with HIS judgement but that
it has been postponed because of the disobedience, rebellion,
unwillingness to leave the world and unholiness of His people
(the reasons for why they would not). [9]
> Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on His right
hand, Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom
prepared for you from the foundation of the world. If the
kingdom was prepared away back then, why will it take so much
time for us to enter it? Perhaps it's because these things have
been postponed since that time. According to pre-conception
theology, this verse has a much fuller meaning than any other
theology gives it, to wit: prepared for you means that we could
have entered it way back when, like, even back when we used to
think Adam and Eve had it.
>
> Romans 9:22 What if GOD, willing to show HIS wrath, and to
make HIS power known, endured with much long-suffering the
vessels of wrath fitted to destruction? This verse says that
GOD was (is) willing to judge and prove [10] to HIS people that
HE is the sovereign GOD, but that HE has to endure with much
long-suffering the temporary abrogation of justice concerning
those vessels doomed to wrath. In verse 23 ( Romans 9:23 And
that HE might make known the riches of HIS glory on the vessels
of mercy, which HE had afore prepared unto glory. Paul gives a
reason why GOD had to do this thing which he obviously did not
like or want, that being so that HE could show all the elect the
riches of HIS glory. This must include the fact that HIS way is
so much better than any other way, and that HIS judgement is
necessary, that it can not be abrogated if we are going to live
in peace with HIM in HIS kingdom. [11]
>
> According to the adherents of pre-conception theology, that
is what you are supposed to be learning down here. That is what
GOD wants you to learn from this life. Now wouldn't you say that
they match really well? This verse also presupposes that the
vessels of wrath existed all during this time of postponement,
for when we consider that the number of those who will be judged
is a known and fixed number in GOD's omniscient sight, we must
also realise that they all must have existed at the very first
time HE was willing to bring them to judgement. This then
constitutes another proof of their existence before their
conception.
>
> 1 Peter 4:5 Who shall give account to Him that is ready to
judge the quick and the dead. If GOD is ready to judge them why
doesn't HE do it? ??? !!!! What in the world (hint hint) is
stopping HIM if HE is ready? Something must be stopping HIM if
HE is ready but it isn't happening. Hence, we can see additional
testimony that GOD's judgement has been and still is being
postponed against HIS will.
>
>
> 2 Peter 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be
dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy
conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the
coming of the day of GOD. In verse 12, hasting unto may mean
“hastening the coming”, as the NIV has it, “speed its coming”.
If this is true, then one can not help but wonder how it is
possible that we can hasten the coming of the day of GOD's
judgement? What part do we have in it? Well, may I suggest that
if it was postponed because of our disobedience (unholiness),
then we probably will have to repent of that disobedience and
get into all holy conversation before it will happen.
>
>
> Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw
under the altar [12] the souls of them that were slain for the
word of GOD, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they
cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O LORD, holy and
true, dost THOU not judge and avenge our blood on them that
dwell on the earth?[13] 11 And white robes were given unto every
one of them: and it was said unto them, that they should rest
yet for a little season, until their fellow-servants also and
their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be
fulfilled. Well, from these verses we can see a few things.
First, some people were definitely holy, that is, the ones that
had already been martyred. They were ready to go to the
judgement. [14] Second,we can see that GOD wasn't ready to go,
even though HE is holy and true. Third, we can see part of the
reason why GOD wasn't ready to go, to wit: it was necessary that
some more of GOD's children be martyred.
>
> Now, the question that comes to mind is why did they have to
be martyred? Why couldn't GOD hold HIS judgement right then and
save them from all that torment and pain? According to
pre-conception theology, HIS judgement had to be postponed, that
is, couldn't happen yet, because some of GOD's children were
still unholy, that is, if HE held the judgement right then, they
would be condemned too. Therefore, HIS judgement had to be
postponed until after they all were martyred, that is, made holy
through martyrdom, because that's what it would take for them to
become holy. [15] (Sense, reason and the Bible weren’t working
for them.)
>
>
> Revelation 10:6 And sware by Him that liveth forever and
ever, Who created heaven, and the things therein are, and the
earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the
things which are therein, that there should be time no longer.
Someone in his commentary (#21) said: “The translation of this
phrase in the AV (KJV) is very misleading: 'that there should be
time no longer.'..." What the angel announces is that there will
be no more time intervening before the coming of the end.
> The consummation will be no longer delayed; the prayers of the
saints 6:10 [16] are about to be answered.” Well then, surmising
that this comment is correct and that we have understood it
correctly, we can see that this verse intimates that the
judgement of GOD has been delayed, that is, that it was suppose
to happen earlier but something stopped it.
>
> Do you still have any doubts as to the cause of this
postponement? Could you be unwilling to let GOD vent his wrath
(hurt to HIS utmost) and exile to the Lake of Fire and Brimstone
forever, your "nice" but unfaithful, unholy, friend, baby, [17]
child or partner? Perhaps it would be good to remind you of
Matthew 10:34-37 Think not that I am come to send peace on
earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to
set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter
against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother
in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He
that loveth father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me:
and he that loveth son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of
Me.
>
>
> In Conclusion
> From these Scriptures it seems to be fairly apparent that
GOD's judgement is being delayed, and that this delay is against
HIS will. In other words, something is forcing the all-powerful
GOD to do something HE does not want to do. What solution do you
have for this problem? Does it really fit in well with all the
other Scriptures? What part of YHWH's self-attesting revelation
to us do you have to sacrifice to make it creditable?
>
>
> May I verily, verily suggest that only pre-conception theology
has an answer for this peculiar situation that does not ask its
adherents to set aside other Scriptures or to look on GOD as
being other than infinitely loving, all powerful and holy. Think
about it! This is the only one that is right about the meaning
of life and history. [18] All the rest are wrong! [19]
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Notes for: Judgement Postponed.
> 1. I'm not saying that we haven't come up with any. There are
some around, but none of them seems that easy to digest in the
opinion of the vast majority of Christians.
>
>
> 2. In other words, we haven't so much a war between good and
evil as we have a war between GOD and HIS people, with the evil
getting to beat on both of THEm. (Just the old divide and
conquer routine. Works pretty good eh? One of the big keys to
the devil’s successes on this planet has been his ability to
keep the good people in the different countries divided, that
is, against each other. He uses false priests to do it.)
>
> 3. Like, when GOD finally judges the world, HE is going to
condemn “a lot of people who are not near as bad as the Amorites
were”.
>
> 4. Or wandering in the wilderness, if they'd been freed from
Egypt.
>
> 5. Joshua 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the
city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and
ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 8:26,27 For Joshua drew
not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until
he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. Only the
cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto
themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which HE
commanded Joshua. Joshua 10:40 So Joshua smote all the country
of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the
springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but
utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD GOD of Israel
commanded.
>
> 6. Or, wandering in the wilderness, if we've been converted.
>
> 7. Undoubtedly!!!!
>
> 8. Any tares in your immediate area that need gathered up and
burned? They have all had over 5000 years to repent you know. Do
you really think that they will change their mind if we give
them a few more years? Or will they just use the time to poison
and destroy the Earth some more?
>
> 9. It sort of looks like some still don't believe Him about
which is the better place to be. They'd still rather be out in
the world eating big, fat, juicy worms! But they'd better watch
out because the other end of that “incredibly huge worm” has a
very big serpent’s head on it!!!!!
>
> 10. Not necessarily for the first time!
>
> 11. Many put forth another interpretation to the effect that
the riches of HIS glory means HIS power and justice. This
interpretation is not valid because, first, as stated in Romans
1:20 For the invisible things of HIM from the creation of the
world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are
made, even HIS eternal power and GODHEAD; so that they are
without excuse:, HIS power has been known since the beginning;
and second, because of the fact that a perfect system of justice
does not need a criminal in order to be perfect. Even if one is
unwilling to accept this fact, one must still accept that a
system of justice which needs a criminal in order to be
perfectly appreciated, still does not need more than one
criminal. Hence, GOD would have to put only one person in hell
for us to have the complete appreciation of the riches of HIS
glory.
>
> 12. Altars are for altering things.
>
> 13. Notice that they didn't ask “why”, just how long.
>
> 14. It's also interesting to note that they did not get their
white robes before this (like when they became converted or went
up to heaven). They got them only after they had made this
saving confession of faith unto holiness.
>
> 15. Like, how many times have you prayed the prayer of
holiness? Will you have to be martyred first? I believe quite a
few Christians think that there will be a lot of martyrs in the
last days. (Needless to say, they don't get to preach very
often.) If they're right about it, what do you think your
chances are of escaping it? Well, I'll tell you: if you're not
willing to be holy, they are exactly zero! Hell's angels are
coming for you!
>
> 16. Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying,
How long, O LORD, holy and true, doest THOU not judge and avenge
our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
>
> 17. Of course GOD wouldn't judge your baby if it had just been
created but, if it has been in existence as a spiritually
knowledgeable, sinning, unrepentant satanic person for over 5000
years, He just might eh?
>
> 18. Just like the first time, when all the Jews were wrong
about the Messiah. If they were going to keep being right with
HIM, they had to change then, didn't they? And I'll wager that
if you are going to keep being right with HIM this time, you are
going to have to change too. But hey, it’s nicer once you’ve
made the change.
>
> 19. And it's not just a case of the present day theologies
simply being outdated by a new theology. No indeed!! They've
always been wrong.
>
> I once asked a budding theologian to criticise this
manuscript. He got this far and stopped (somewhat dead in his
tracks) leaving me with this comment: “I would scrap the last
lines of this chapter. The thought of attaining an ultimate
revelation is coercive and presumptuous to me! JEHOVAH has never
committed HIMSELF in detail, and through the vast, very vast
studies that I have entertained, I have never encountered such a
childish, mediocre, presumptuous statement as all the rest are
wrong. This is not in accordance with a spirit of luminosity. To
assume, that through the centuries, ALL that theologians have
written is wrong, is an ultimate statement of PRIDE!, especially
coming from you, who knows so little and has studied so few!”
> To this spirit of luminosity and brotherhood (he says that I'm
still and will always be his brother in the LORD) in my defence,
I would like to say that, first of all, I have never claimed to
have the ultimate revelation, just another revelation. I leave
it up to those who have studied this new revelation to decide
for themselves if it’s an ultimate revelation or not.
> Second, I believe that YHWH has committed HIMSELF in some
detail regularly throughout the ages. We usually call it the
Bible and it has a lot of concrete details in it. To supply a
key that makes the details make much more sense, although it
might be coercive (toward holiness and true humility) certainly
is not presumptuous, especially if one has been given the key
and told to disclose it, especially if the key has been shown to
work, which has been the case with every Christian (thus far)
who has spent enough time to learn how to use the pre-existence
key to a much fuller (or enlightened) Christian understanding.
>
> Thirdly, all the books in our very vast libraries contain next
to nothing on pre-existence. Therefore everyone, including those
who might have read almost every book, is a neophyte when it
comes to pre-existence... well, almost everyone. I have spent
over twelve years studying pre-existence theology at the time if
this writing. I believe that these studies put me twelve years
ahead of even the best read theologians.
>
> Fourthly, I do admit that faulting all the rest is not in
accord with the present day “spirit of luminosity”. (But see
Matthew 7:29 For He taught them as One having authority, and not
as the scribes.) Of course, those of that spirit can't say that
I am wrong either then can they? And if pre-existence is true to
any extent, then anyone can say (and be wholly correct) that all
of them are wrong about it (all, except perhaps the Mormons, who
do know about it but don’t understand it very well at all). This
is not presumption. It is only very basic and sound reason
asserting itself. (If the Earth is round, to say so isn't
presumption! And to say that all the flat earthists are wrong
about it isn't either, especially when one has a lot more
biblical proof than they do!)
>
> Fifth, there is a world of difference between saying “all the
rest are wrong”, and “the rest are all wrong”. Of course,
asserting the second is insane, but I didn't say that. [Maybe it
was some spirits in his mind (luminous ones no doubt) that got
him to think that I did. Any doubts as to whether it was these
same luminous spirits who also inspired him to slander me in the
last line? Funny things start to happen when one rejects the
truth, eh!]
> Sixth, as to my so-called lack of study, I do admit that I
have not studied all the theological books simply because my
studies have been almost exclusively in the area of
pre-conception existence. Besides this narrowing of my
endeavours to previously unexplored territory, I was commanded
to spend more than a few years in concentrated study on GOD's
Word (which studies must be differentiated from studying what
someone else has to say about GOD's Word. There is quite a
difference!) So although I may be thought ignorant regarding the
various undulations of flat Earth theology and all its great
wisdom, I still don't apologise for not wasting my time on it,
that is, for spending my time reading mostly the Bible and
concentrating on pre-conception existence theology as the Lord
directed me.
> Face it, soon (like as soon as you understand this whole book)
you're going to have to admit that every theologian we've had in
the last 1900 years has either been too stupid or too lazy to
explore the territory of our pre-conception existence or else
you will have to admit that I've been given a revelation that
was not to be given before this time.
>
>
>
>
--- End Quote ---
The Holy Bible to all account still has some 1100 prophecies
that have not been fulfilled. As we read Revelation (some 900
Prophecies within), we will see everything is progressing
according to His two plans.
Blade
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Re: JUDGEMENT POSTPONED
DIR By: guest58
Date: June 11, 2019, 12:49 pm
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [shadow=blue,left]The Holy Bible to all account still has some
1100 prophecies that have not been fulfilled. As we read
Revelation (some 900 Prophecies within), we will see everything
is progressing according to His two plans.
>
> Blade[/shadow]
--- End Quote ---
Not so much interested at this time in the meaning or
fulfillment of prophecy...this study is about the way the verses
teach that the judgment has been postponed, a serious hole in
orthodox thinking for which any answer is seldom offered.
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Re: JUDGEMENT POSTPONED
DIR By: guest8
Date: June 11, 2019, 9:57 pm
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--- Quote from: Ted T. link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=538.msg6217#msg6217
date=1560199668]
> The Holy Bible to all account still has some 1100 prophecies
that have not been fulfilled. As we read Revelation (some 900
Prophecies within), we will see everything is progressing
according to His two plans.
>
> Blade
--- End Quote ---
Not so much interested at this time in the meaning or
fulfillment of prophecy...this study is about the way the verses
teach that the judgment has been postponed, a serious hole in
orthodox thinking for which any answer is seldom offered.
[/quote]
But prophecies tell you when Judgement is coming? Yes, Israel
is still partially blinded and will be until the fullness of the
gentiles.
Rom 11:25.."For I would not, brethren, that ye should be
ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own
conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until
the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." "THE RAPTURE"
and then comes Daniel 70th Week.JUDGEMENT for Israel and the
whole world.
Blade
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Re: JUDGEMENT POSTPONED
DIR By: guest73
Date: February 21, 2020, 10:17 am
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Very interesting Ted.
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Re: JUDGEMENT POSTPONED
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: August 16, 2020, 9:27 am
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--- Quote from: Jesus Truth link ---
>
> Very interesting Ted.
>
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Indeed
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Re: JUDGEMENT POSTPONED
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: October 9, 2020, 7:46 am
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Jesus Truth link=topic=538.msg10405#msg10405
date=1582301871]
> Very interesting Ted.
>
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Indeed
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