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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
By: guest17 Date: September 6, 2018, 11:04 pm
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I'm pro-life pro-baby all the way. Abortion is evil.
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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
By: patrick jane Date: September 22, 2018, 12:53 pm
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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
By: guest13 Date: September 22, 2018, 2:19 pm
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I have no desire to change anyone's mind because I agree that
abortion should not be an option. I DO believe that the issue
would be served better with so quality thought and discussion on
how to solve the problem that doesn't include the KLS argument.
You know ... encouragement and support.
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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
By: patrick jane Date: September 26, 2018, 1:35 pm
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VERY REVEALING Margaret Sanger Interview MUST SEE ! PLANNED
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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
By: patrick jane Date: October 4, 2018, 6:48 pm
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Abortion: When Does Life Begin?
Pivotal to the Roe versus Wade decision was the question of
whether a fetus is a real person who possesses certain
inalienable rights that are protected under the U. S.
Constitution. Since that decision made more than 45 years ago,
over 50 million fetuses have not enjoyed those rights. What
qualifies you to be human? Who gives you the right to call
yourself a living human person? God? The Church? Or should it be
the state?
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Abortion: How Sacred Is Human Life?
Emanuel Kant said that the sacredness of life was self-evident.
The framers of the Declaration of Independence shared his
conviction as they wrote, “We hold these truths to be
self-evident …” Now, things that are self-evident theoretically
need no explanation, but we find ourselves in a day where “these
truths” are being contested. Terms such as “actual” life and
“potential” life are used to draw lines between those who are
protected by law and those who are not.
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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
By: Scripter Date: October 21, 2018, 9:34 am
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re Sanger,
be sure to see the seen in the Irish series LILLIES where the
progressives are promoting abortion and vegetarianism etc. I
can't remember the exact line but they came down on the side of
Germany biologists. They believed it was worse to eat pork than
to fight Germans in WW1...
The above was an aside.
What I meant to post here was this rather 'ultimate' test of
historical poignancy knowledge. It is that in the book HOW
SHOULD WE THEN LIVE? Dr. Schaeffer reported that it was the
generation of West Germans following the Nazi era who appealed
to the US Supreme court etc during Roe V Wade not to permit
abortion.
Let that sink in--the reaction of a generation to its previous
one, etc.
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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
By: patrick jane Date: November 26, 2018, 12:14 am
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‘Heartbeat’ abortion bill passes Ohio House
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COLUMBUS —
After more than an hour of heated debate, a controversial
abortion ban that Gov. John Kasich vetoed two years ago passed
the Ohio House on Thursday 60-35 and now heads to the Senate
where its fate is unclear.
The ‘heartbeat bill’ would prohibit abortions once a fetal
heartbeat can be detected, which is as early as six weeks into a
pregnancy.
“This bill basically says if there is a heartbeat you cannot
abort. If there is a heartbeat, there is life…there is no
debating that,” said state Rep. Ron Hood, R-Ashville, a primary
sponsor. “We can finally save these babies from being
slaughtered before they’re even born.”
Related: Kasich vetoes ‘heartbeat bill,’ signs 20-week abortion
ban
“Abortion is an assault on the family. Abortion is an assault on
Ohio because it destroys the hearts and minds of women,” said
state Rep. Candice Keller, R-Middletown. She said the bill would
help save 20,000 babies each year in Ohio.
State Rep. Nickie Antonio, D-Lakewood, said Ohio’s 11 million
residents are divided on the issue of abortion. “None of us can
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She noted that the bill doesn’t include exemptions for women who
are victims of rape, incest or domestic violence. “This is not
an easy decision but it should be a survivor’s decision to
make,” Antonio said.
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“We all have a beating heart,” said state Rep. Christina Hagan,
R-Marlboro Twp., co-sponsor, while holding her twin infants on
the House floor. She later added that she doesn’t think the “act
of the father” shouldn’t cause the termination of a child.
State Rep. Catherine Ingram, D-Cincinnati, said the decision to
terminate a pregnancy is up to the woman and she’ll be judged by
God in the after life. She also argued that the ban would bring
back dangerous illegal abortions. “I’m old enough to remember
hangars, liquids, shotgun pellets,” she said.
The bill is strongly opposed by many Democrats and reproductive
rights groups such as Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice.
The Ohio Right to Life is neutral on the measure. It still has
to win approval from the Ohio Senate before the two-year
legislative session ends in late December.
Kasich has signed into law at least 18 abortion restrictions
during his eight year tenure as governor. The heartbeat bill is
the only abortion restriction he has vetoed.
Miami Valley area lawmakers voting in favor of the heartbeat ban
bill were Republicans: Niraj Antani, John Becker, Tom Brinkman,
Jim Butler, Keith Faber, Mike Henne, Steve Huffman, Candice
Keller, Kyle Koehler, George Lang, Scott Lipps, Rick Perales,
Wes Retherford, Todd Smith, Nino Vitale and Paul Zeltwanger.
Opposed was House Minority Leader Fred Strahorn, D-Dayton.
Related: Ohio a key battleground in abortion fight
Last year, there were 20,893 induced abortions in Ohio, a
1-percent increase over 2016, according to a report from the
Ohio Department of Health. Of those, 11,784 were performed at
nine weeks or less of gestation, 6,084 at between nine and 12
weeks, 2,935 at 13 to 20 weeks and 90 at 21 weeks or more, the
report showed.
State Rep. Michele Lepore-Hagan, D-Youngstown, offered an
amendment that would mandate comprehensive sex education in
Ohio’s K-12 schools as a means of reducing unintended
preganancies but that idea was tabled on a 62-31 vote.
Ohio Right to Life lobbyist Jessica Warner said the
anti-abortion group is pushing for passage of two other
restrictions: Senate Bill 28 would require burial or cremation
of fetal remains and Senate Bill 145 would outlaw a common
surgical procedure used for second trimester abortions.
SB 145 passed the Senate 24-9 in June, less than six weeks after
its introduction, and is now pending in the House Criminal
Justice Committee. It would make it a fourth degree felony for
doctors to perform abortions using dilation and extraction,
unless the woman’s life or irreversible bodily harm were at
stake. It makes no exception for rape or incest.
The bill’s primary sponsor is state Sen. Steve Wilson,
R-Maineville.
SB28 passed the Senate 23-9 in January and is awaiting a House
floor vote. If it becomes law, burial or cremation would be
required for aborted fetal remains, including zygotes and
blastocysts — the earliest stages of development.
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Re: Abortion Is Murder - Change My Mind
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Heartbeat Bills Used to Divide Pro-Lifers. Here’s Why That’s
Changing.
Even the “most restrictive” abortion laws—like one vetoed this
week in Ohio—may now have a place in incrementalist strategy.
Two years ago, Ohio Governor John Kasich had the support of the
state’s biggest pro-life group when he vetoed a bill to ban
abortion after about six weeks, once an unborn baby’s heartbeat
is detectable.
Last week, the pro-life politician again vetoed a state
“heartbeat bill”—only this time Ohio Right to Life (ORTL) took a
different stance.
The organization wanted to see the state legislature override
his decision. Though lawmakers failed to do so yesterday, ORTL
plans to lobby his successor to sign the ban, considered the
most restrictive abortion policy in the country, into law.
What changed over the past few years to prompt their new stance?
In short, the Supreme Court.
For years, the pro-life movement has taken on different tactics
toward a shared goal of eliminating abortion. ORTL adopted a
“strategic incremental approach,” at times supporting more
feasible abortion regulations—such as the ban on abortions after
20 weeks Kasich signed in 2016, or the ban on “dismemberment
abortions” he signed this year—over more restrictive legislation
that risked being turned down in the courts.
Kasich defended his veto with nearly identical wording last week
as he did two years prior. “As governor I have worked hard to
strengthen Ohio’s protections for the sanctity of human life,
and I have a deep respect for my fellow members of the pro-life
community and their ongoing efforts in defense of unborn life,”
the outgoing Republican stated.
But the ban runs “contrary to the Supreme Court of the United
States’ current rulings on abortion,” he said, referring to Roe
v. Wade, which allows for the abortion of any child not viable
outside the womb.
Back in 2016, ORTL president Mike Gonidakis agreed with Kasich’s
assessment of the potential legal challenges, saying:
Given the current makeup of the United States Supreme Court,
Governor Kasich got it right by embracing the strategic
incremental approach to ending abortion. The current
pro-abortion Supreme Court was given the opportunity on two
occasions in 2016 to address heartbeat legislation, and both
times refused to hear the case allowing the lower court’s ruling
to stand. Both of those states’ heartbeat laws have been ruled
unconstitutional, never took effect, and saved not one unborn
life.
But this year, the organization was quick to point out that the
bench is different now. “As we look forward, Ohio Right to Life
believes that it is now time to embrace the heartbeat bill as
the next incremental approach to end abortion in Ohio,” said
Marshal Pitchford, chairman of the ORTL board of trustees.
After years of taking a neutral stance on the policy, “we are
now prepared to support our partners in Ohio’s pro-life movement
to enact the heartbeat bill,” he said on Thursday. “With the
additions of Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh to the US Supreme
Court we believe this is the most pro-life court we have seen in
generations. Now is the time to pursue this approach.”
The strategic shift by ORTL, the state chapter of America’s
largest and oldest pro-life group, the National Right to Life
Committee (NRLC), aligns them with fellow pro-life voices that
argued for heartbeat bills on principle even when the court
makeup was less favorable.
One of the most vocal critics of Kasich’s earlier veto was James
Dobson, president of Family Talk and founder of Focus on the
Family.
“This was a cowardly and shameful action,” Dobson said in 2016.
“[T]here is a growing movement to finally reject the barbarism
of abortion and to fully protect the rights of the unborn. This
bill was an important step in that direction, and we mustn't be
silent in response to the governor's action.”
However, some abortion-rights advocates did agree—though not
happily—with ORTL at the time.
The 20-week-ban “may actually be a bigger threat to the
pro-choice movement—a ban on abortion after 20 weeks, with no
exceptions for rape, incest, or fetal anomaly, and only very
limited exceptions for a woman’s health,” wrote Emily Crockett
for Vox.
“Even if Kasich has let the six-week ban become law, it would
have had no chance of surviving the inevitable, immediate court
challenge that would follow,” she wrote. “But the 20-week ban
might survive in court, and could eventually be taken up by the
Supreme Court. And if it did, it would directly challenge Roe v.
Wade.”
With its “fetal pain” law, Ohio joined 12 other states that have
banned abortion after 20 weeks—technically, a few weeks before
the viability deadline. The laws lean on the idea that unborn
children are capable of feeling pain at 20 weeks. This week, it
became the 10th state to ban abortion through a procedure known
as dilation and evacuation or “D&E.”
No state has successfully implemented a ban as early as Ohio’s
heartbeat law, which would be the most restrictive abortion
policy in the country if adopted by the next administration.
The incremental approach to stopping abortion has been
effective—231 abortion restrictions were enacted in 27 states
from 2011 to 2014, according to the Guttmacher Institute. The
abortion rate in the United States is now the lowest since Roe
v. Wade was decided in 1973. Last month, the Centers for Disease
Control reported that abortions fell 24 percent from 2006 to
2015.
Pro-lifers on various levels have disagreed over whether to
continue relying on incrementalism or to take stronger moral
stands on abortion regulations. When the pro-life “born alive”
bill—protecting babies who survive abortion attempts—passed in
the US House of Representatives a year ago, some advocates were
disappointed the legislature hadn’t taken up a less popular
national heartbeat bill.
The Christian group Operation Rescue had blamed NRLC for
supporting the born-alive bill over the heartbeat bill, calling
it “the one obstacle standing in the way of protecting nearly a
million children” and “no greater betrayal of innocent blood
since Judas.”
“It is not true that National Right to Life has blocked
congressional consideration of the heartbeat bill. Nor is it
true to say that National Right to Life lobbied congressional
leadership against the heartbeat bill,” said Carol Tobias, NRLC
president. “National Right to Life does not oppose the heartbeat
bill. Divisiveness and attacks on fellow pro-lifers does not
save babies.”
Tobias previously praised the US House of Representatives for
passing the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act in 2013.
Meanwhile the flagship pro-life group, which counts more than
3,000 chapters in all 50 states, jettisoned Georgia Right to
Life for encouraging state senators to vote against the bill
because it contained exceptions allowing later abortions in dire
circumstances.
Some, including CT, argue that instead of contested medical
findings, resistance to abortion should be based on the inherent
dignity of the personhood of the child.
“If we have any historical memory, we know science is a fickle
handmaiden,” wrote former CT managing editor Katelyn Beaty.
“We don't wish this to be true, but research may soon confirm
that unborn babies can't experience pain until much later in
development. Meanwhile, abortion providers could find ways to
perform ‘pain-free’ abortions. Of course, in these cases we
would still vehemently oppose the abortion, because we believe
it takes a life, not just a life that feels pain.”
Similarly, as CT reported earlier this year, some doctors
challenge the existence of a heartbeat as a measure of viability
for the pregnancy.
Following the Ohio legislature’s failure to override Kasich’s
veto, “Ohio Right to Life is prepared to support the current
pro-life organizations working tirelessly to pass the heartbeat
bill during the next General Assembly in 2019,” the group
stated.
“We will partner with Greater Toledo Right to Life, Cleveland
Right to Life, Right to Life of Greater Cincinnati and others to
get the heartbeat bill to Governor-elect Mike DeWine’s desk. We
make this public commitment today.”
Additional reporting by Kate Shellnutt.
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