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Consuming Jesus' Flesh And Blood
By: Olde Tymer Date: May 31, 2019, 8:28 am
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[font=arial]Regardless of how Christ's teachings are
interpreted-- ritually, literally, or metaphorically --unless
people somehow eat his flesh and drink his blood, they have no
life in them; viz: they are quite dead on the hoof regardless of
their health, age, race, religion, and/or gender.
John 6:53 . . Amen, Amen, I say to you: unless you eat the flesh
of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life
within you.
The kind of life about which the Lord spoke is very unusual to
say the least because it's supernatural.
John 6:54 . . .Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has
eternal life,
Eternal life always was, it always is, and it always will be
because eternal life is divine. (John 1:1-4 and 1John 1:1-2)
When the Word came to be in human form (John 1:1-14), he came
with not only human life, but also eternal life.
John 5:26 . . For just as the Father has life in Himself, so
also He gave to His son the possession of life in himself.
When Jesus spoke of eternal life, he wasn't talking about
immortality because in spite of the Lord's possession of his
Father's life, Jesus didn't survive crucifixion.
So then, the power of life obtained by eating Jesus' flesh and
imbibing his blood isn't meant to keep people's bodies alive
forever, sort of like the tree of life in the garden of Eden,
because if Jesus' body was vulnerable to death in spite of his
possession of eternal life, then the bodies of the consumers of
his flesh and blood remain vulnerable to death too in spite of
their possession of eternal life.
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Re: Consuming Jesus' Flesh And Blood
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 1, 2019, 8:33 am
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[font=arial]John 6:50-51 . . This is the bread that comes down
from heaven so that one may eat it and not die. I am the living
bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will
live forever
Where are the apostles? They're all deceased. Where are the
early church fathers? They're all deceased. Where are all the
Christians beginning from around 35CE up till one hundred and
fifty years ago-- roughly one thousand, eight hundred, and
thirty four years of Christians? They're all deceased.
Now, out of all those Christians-- including the apostles and
the early church fathers --somebody, somewhere, among them ate
the living bread correctly. So then, why are they all deceased?
John 10:27-28 . . My sheep hear my voice; I know them, and they
follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never
perish.
"eternal life" speaks of Jesus' flesh and blood. (John 6:53-54)
"never perish" speaks of the living bread. (John 6:50-51)
Jesus identified the living bread as his flesh; viz: his body.
John 6:51b . . the bread that I will give is my flesh for the
life of the world.
I'm pretty sure that nobody anywhere on Earth today is more than
150 years old, yet Jesus said whoever eats this bread-- a.k.a.
his flesh --would never perish, viz: would live forever, i.e.
they would be immortal.
Now if eating Jesus' flesh, and drinking his blood, gives people
eternal life and immortality, then what's the frequency-- what's
the regimen? Hourly? Daily? Weekly? Annually? What?
Moses' people had to eat manna on a daily basis because one
ration of manna didn't have enough energy in it to keep them
alive for very long. In other words: they had to eat the stuff
every day or they'd eventually die of malnutrition. In point of
fact, they died anyway. But Jesus said that his flesh has enough
energy in it to keep people alive forever, in other words;
people only need one ration of the bread of life rather than
ration after ration after ration like as if it were manna.
In conclusion: If Catholicism's Eucharist is the correct manner
in which to eat Jesus' flesh, and to imbibe his blood; then it
would be necessary to consume the species just once and people
would be good to go for eternity.
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Re: Consuming Jesus' Flesh And Blood
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 2, 2019, 10:11 pm
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[font=arial]1Cor 15:51-53 . . Behold, I tell you a mystery. We
shall not all fall asleep, but we will all be changed, in an
instant, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the
trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised incorruptible, and
we shall be changed. For that which is corruptible must clothe
itself with incorruptibility, and that which is mortal must
clothe itself with immortality.
Seeing as how that passage speaks of immortality relative to a
future resurrection; then would it be okay to assume that the
bread of life Jesus spoke of in John 6:50-51 doesn't take effect
right away?
Well; if we restrict "resurrection" to our bodies, then okay,
yes, the bread of life doesn't take effect right away. However;
In John 5:24-29, Jesus spoke of a future resurrection and a now
resurrection. I think we can be pretty sure that the future
resurrection is for our bodies because he said:
"The hour is coming in which all who are in the tombs will hear
his voice and will come out" (John 5:28-29)
So: about this "now" resurrection. What's the story on that? If
it's not for our bodies, then what is it?
John 5:24 . . Amen, Amen, I say to you, whoever hears my word
and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life and will
not come to condemnation, but has passed from death to life.
([I]Don't miss the grammatical tense of "has passed" because
it's not future[/I].)
People who've passed from death to life have done so in a way
not easily detected because it's supernatural.
John 3:6 . . What is born of flesh is flesh, what is born of
spirit is spirit.
"born of flesh" speaks of a natural beginning; while "born of
spirit" speaks of a very different beginning.
John 1:12-13 . . But to those who did accept him he gave power
to become children of God, to those who believe in his name, who
were born not by natural generation nor by human choice nor by a
man’s decision; but of God.
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Re: Consuming Jesus' Flesh And Blood
By: Olde Tymer Date: June 8, 2019, 8:52 am
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[font=arial]John 6:53 . . Amen, Amen, I say to you, unless you
eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not
have life within you.
FAQ: Does that apply to Old Testament personages, e.g. Able,
Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joshua. Ruth, Gideon, Samson, and
David, et al?
A: Yes; all of them.
FAQ: How do you know that?
A: Jesus' flesh benefits the whole world rather than only a
portion of the world.
John 6:51b . . the bread that I will give is my flesh for the
life of the world.
FAQ: Did they even know about Jesus back then?
A: They may not have known his name, but they were all aware
that a savior was on the way-- beginning with Adam and Eve.
Gen 3:15 . . I will put enmity between you and the woman, and
between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and
you shall bruise his heel.
It's pretty much agreed on both sides of the aisle that the seed
is Christ.
Others besides Adam and Eve knew.
Abraham:
John 8:56 . . Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it and
was glad.
Jacob:
Gen 49:18 . . I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord
Isaiah:
Isa 52:14 . .There were many who were appalled at him-- his
appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form
marred beyond human likeness
Isa 53:6 . .We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has
turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity
of us all.
All the prophets:
1Pet 1:10-11 . . Concerning this salvation, prophets who
prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and
investigated it, investigating the time and circumstances that
the Spirit of Christ within them indicated when it testified in
advance to the sufferings destined for Christ and the glories to
follow them.
David:
Ps 16:10 . . You will not abandon my soul to Sheol, nor let your
devout one see the pit. (cf. Acts 2:25-36)
FAQ: Well, if there was no such thing as a communion service
until Jesus' last supper, then how did those people back there
eat his flesh and drink his blood?
A: Hook, line, and sinker; so to speak.
John 3:16-18 . . For God so loved the world that he gave His
only son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish
but might have eternal life. For God did not send His son into
the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be
saved through him. Whoever believes in him will not be
condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been
condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only
son of God.
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Re: Consuming Jesus' Flesh And Blood
By: guest8 Date: June 8, 2019, 9:25 am
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[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=522.msg6162#msg6162
date=1560001944]
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[font=arial]John 6:53 . . Amen, Amen, I say to you, unless you
eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not
have life within you.
FAQ: Does that apply to Old Testament personages, e.g. Able,
Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joshua. Ruth, Gideon, Samson, and
David, et al?
A: Yes; all of them.
FAQ: How do you know that?
A: Jesus' flesh benefits the whole world rather than only a
portion of the world.
John 6:51b . . the bread that I will give is my flesh for the
life of the world.
FAQ: Did they even know about Jesus back then?
A: They may not have known his name, but they were all aware
that a savior was on the way-- beginning with Adam and Eve.
Gen 3:15 . . I will put enmity between you and the woman, and
between your seed and her seed; he shall bruise your head, and
you shall bruise his heel.
It's pretty much agreed on both sides of the aisle that the seed
is Christ.
Others besides Adam and Eve knew.
Abraham:
John 8:56 . . Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it and
was glad.
Jacob:
Gen 49:18 . . I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord
Isaiah:
Isa 52:14 . .There were many who were appalled at him-- his
appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form
marred beyond human likeness
Isa 53:6 . .We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has
turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity
of us all.
All the prophets:
1Pet 1:10-11 . . Concerning this salvation, prophets who
prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and
investigated it, investigating the time and circumstances that
the Spirit of Christ within them indicated when it testified in
advance to the sufferings destined for Christ and the glories to
follow them.
David:
Ps 16:10 . . You will not abandon my soul to Sheol, nor let your
devout one see the pit. (cf. Acts 2:25-36)
FAQ: Well, if there was no such thing as a communion service
until Jesus' last supper, then how did those people back there
eat his flesh and drink his blood?
A: Hook, line, and sinker; so to speak.
John 3:16-18 . . For God so loved the world that he gave His
only son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish
but might have eternal life. For God did not send His son into
the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be
saved through him. Whoever believes in him will not be
condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been
condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only
son of God.
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[shadow=blue,left]you said:"FAQ: Well, if there was no such
thing as a communion service until Jesus' last supper, then how
did those people back there eat his flesh and drink his blood?
A: Hook, line, and sinker; so to speak.
John 3:16-18 . . For God so loved the world that he gave His
only son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish
but might have eternal life. For God did not send His son into
the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be
saved through him. Whoever believes in him will not be
condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been
condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only
son of God."
You contradict yourself... OT did know of the messiah to come
but did not know of John 3:16.....
Blade[/shadow]
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