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New Revelation Prophesied
By: guest58 Date: May 25, 2019, 2:36 pm
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Jeremiah 33:3 Call to ME, and I will answer thee and show
thee great and mighty[9] things which thou knowest not.
The first question regarding this verse is "who is the subject?"
I believe that the subject is the "it" of the preceding verse,
33:2 Thus saith the LORD, the maker of it, the LORD who formed
it, to establish it, JEHOVAH is HIS name.
From the general context, we can see that this "it" must be
Jerusalem. Therefore, because HE must be speaking of Jerusalem
in verse 2, I believe continuity suggests that it must also be
Jerusalem that HE is addressing in verse 3, that is, Jerusalem
representing GOD's people around the time of their return from
their dispersion (verse 11)
Verse 4 also suggests to whom this word is addressed. 33:4 For
thus saith the LORD, the GOD of Israel, concerning the houses of
this city. In this verse, the houses of the city, that is, the
people in them at the time of this regathering (verses 6,7) are
the persons with whom this word is concerned
Therefore, if we supply them as the subject in verse 3, it
becomes apparent that verse 3 is addressed to those persons
that, in the latter days, will be living "in Jerusalem".
Therefore, this being the case, we can say that verse 3 is a
means of grace to these people, firstly, instructing them what
to do to have all these promises fulfilled; and secondly,
announcing GOD's intention to give them a new revelation of
great and mighty, previously unknown things.
Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way Daniel: for the words are
closed up and sealed till the time of the end.10 Many shall be
purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do
wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise
shall understand
From 12:9 we can see that the disclosing or unsealing of the
angel's words (12:7) will not happen until the time of the end.
Therefore, we can say with assurance that this verse bears
witness that there will be an unsealing, disclosing or revealing
at the time of the end. Therefore may I once again suggest that,
in the end times, we will be given a new understanding, that is,
a revealing of that which has been sealed previously [10]
This verse also tells us that the understanding of the new
disclosures will not be possessed by everyone,[11] but that this
blessing will be possessed only by the wise, that is, the
purified. I also suggest that because the verse says that it is
the wise who shall understand, some in-depth study might be
required to understand the new disclosures, that is, that these
new revelations will not be blinding visions of light, but that
they will most likely appeal to our reason. Stated another way,
they will be doctrinal, that discipline that requires so much
discipline.
Micah 4:1-2 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the
mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the
top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills;
and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and
say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to
the house of the GOD of Jacob; and HE will teach us of HIS ways,
and we will walk in HIS paths: for the law shall go forth of
Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Well, we've been looking into the possibility of a new
revelation being given in the latter days. In these verses we
can see that there are going to be some rather incredible
changes in the religious scene, to say the least, and in the
latter part of verse 2 we are given (at least, a part of) the
reason for such incredible changes, to wit: the word of the LORD
shall go forth from the city of GOD
In other words, there will be at least one latter day revealer
of the word of the LORD, because that's the only way that the
word of the LORD can go forth from the city of David. Well, it
stands to reason that if we're going to get a new revelation,
we're also going to get someone who gives it.
Now, about this word of the LORD, just how do you think it might
come? Do you think that somebody might get up and say: Thus
saith the LORD? Well, that's certainly possible, because we've
had that happen before, haven't we? Yes indeed, we know we've
had that before because somebody wrote it down for us in a Book.
And the word of the LORD might come in another way too, right?
Like, Paul wrote a doctrinal dissertation in a letter to the
Romans, didn't he? Maybe we'll get something along those lines.
Then again, maybe GOD will give someone a vision, or a message,
and I suppose, if the visionary or messenger writes it down,
well, well, well! It seems that, no matter which way we look at
it, we're going to probably get another written word.[12]
Zechariah 5:2-5 I see a flying roll; the length thereof is
twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits. Then he said
unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the
whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on
this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be
cut off as on that side according to it. I will bring it forth,
saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of
the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by MY
name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall
consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.
Well, what do we have here? A flying roll that GOD will bring
forth. Do you recall getting this one before? I don't think you
do. Maybe that is because it still is to come. Let's see. Flying
would probably connote something of an heavenly or unearthly
character. Since it is a book (sc-roll) it would probably
contain some ideas of an unearthly (previously unrevealed)
nature. Its measurement "just happens" to match the holy place
of GOD's temple, so it would probably be a holy book. And its
holy message will have a profound effect on some people, for it
obviously has some bad news for the thieves (that is, sinners -
Jesus died between two thieves - in this case, those who would
be interested in stealing God's glory, that is, those who have
"better ideas" than GOD's way for them, that is, "Christians"
who do not follow HIM,[13] that is, hypocrites, that is, false
swearers[14])
For these people it shall constitute a curse, that is, it will
create a very profound separation between them and the holy GOD
who brings it forth. And even worse than that, it shall have a
lingering effect on them, for it shall enter into their house,
that is their life (we are houses for the spirits we worship)
and slowly destroy the strength thereof.[15]
Well, maybe PCE is it, and maybe not, but we are definitely
going to get such a roll sometime.[16]-[17]
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Notes for: New Revelation
9. KJV margin: hidden. Marginal translations are not thought to
be quite as good as the one the translators used, that is the
one used in the text but the marginal translation was thought to
have enough merit to be noted in the margin.
In other words, the translators were not very sure on how to
exactly translate a lot of verses (like this one) so they gave
us two translations, the textual one being their favourite (or
best educated guess) and the marginal coming in second.
In other words, if they were wrong on the first, they are hoping
to redeem themselves with the second.
10. Now if we are going to get one, what says that we'll get
only one?
11. Wouldn't you say that this might just indicate that these
revelations will be given before Jesus' return?
12. Perhaps even accompanied by a somewhat inspired apology, eh?
13. Kiel(#2) comments: “The roll therefore symbolised the curse
which will fall upon sinners throughout the whole land,
consuming them with their houses, and thus sweeping them out of
the nation of GOD.” (In other words, Armageddon.)
14. That the thief and the false swearer are the same person is
shown by “and it shall remain in the midst of his house.” If
they were two, that is, different persons, wouldn't it have to
be “their houses”?
15. Since it takes awhile, this has to be taking place at least
awhile before the judgement.
16. Kiel(#3) comments: “The vision certainly refers to the
remote future of the kingdom of GOD.”
17. Bet you didn't know that “flying” is literally: covered
(either with wings or feathers, or obscurity). In other words,
it might not be a flying roll at all. It might be an obscure
(previously hidden) roll.
#Post#: 9505--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Revelation Prophesied
By: guest58 Date: January 5, 2020, 6:12 pm
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John 16:25 These things have I (Jesus) spoken unto you in
proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto
you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
Which time coming was Jesus referring to? Was He speaking of a
time more in the future (say like this time)? Well, if it was a
time more in the future, then He would be referring to a future
doctrinal revelation, would He not?
I guess that one way to tell the time of its fulfilment is to
ask ourselves whether we (that is, our educated commentators)
yet plainly know of the Father, or whether we do not have it so
plainly yet? In other words, do we understand the Bible
plainly, or does it yet speak to us in proverbs?
Revelation 10:8 Then the voice that I had heard from heaven
spoke to me once more: "Go, take the scroll that lies open in
the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the
land." 9 So I went to the angel and asked him to give me the
little scroll. He said to me, "Take it and eat it. It will turn
your stomach sour, but in your mouth it will be as sweet as
honey." 10 I took the little scroll from the angel's hand and
ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had
eaten it, my stomach turned sour. Very interesting, no? As a
sign of the last days, a "scroll" or KJV "little book" a
diminutive form of the Greek biblos or in English, bible.
Since 'book' or 'scroll' denotes writing to me, I suggest that
eating is a metaphor for reading the scroll and is used so we
can get the analogy of sweetness and bitterness/ sour taste into
the metaphor.
To continue with the thought would take us to: I read the words
on the little book and at first I thought they were very
wonderful and gratifying (sweet) but later as I dwelt upon their
meaning, I found them hard to digest, (sour in my stomach), that
is hard to accept in their full meaning. This leads me to
consider that in the last days a new revelation will be learned
that at first seems great but then makes us scared or dismayed
as we learn its implications.
In the context of the next verse: Revelation 10:11 And he said
unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and
nations, and tongues, and kings. This person who read and
studied until he understood the words in the little book must go
out and be a prophet from the Lord, probably teaching us the
words / ideas / revelation of the little book.
Since we all know the warnings of Rev 22:18: For I testify unto
every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,
If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him
the plagues that are written in this book: I'd also suggest
that this new revelation is probably more correctly called a new
understanding of a previous revelation similar to the way we got
a new understanding about the Messiah from Jesus and the
Apostles.
So I guess we had all better be open to a theological
explanation of God's reality about the Church and/or the world,
one that is different from all previous explanations we have
been taught. It is funny that people say "this new
interpretation is not in the scriptures" when they really mean
"I was never taught an understanding of the scriptures in this
way." How could it be if the scroll had not been proclaimed yet
during the last 2000 years?
Might not such an occurrence put the Churches in the position of
the Pharisees, stuck on their old understandings of the theology
of the scriptures and rejecting the new understanding written in
the little book? Being faithful to your church does not
necessarily make you faithful to GOD.
#Post#: 16329--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Revelation Prophesied
By: patrick jane Date: August 16, 2020, 9:27 am
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New & Improved?
#Post#: 16351--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Revelation Prophesied
By: guest58 Date: August 16, 2020, 11:10 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=511.msg16329#msg16329
date=1597588032]
New & Improved?
[/quote]
Your betcha!! :)
#Post#: 16357--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Revelation Prophesied
By: guest8 Date: August 16, 2020, 12:17 pm
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[quote author=Ted T. link=topic=511.msg9505#msg9505
date=1578269535]
John 16:25 These things have I (Jesus) spoken unto you in
proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto
you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
Which time coming was Jesus referring to? Was He speaking of a
time more in the future (say like this time)? Well, if it was a
time more in the future, then He would be referring to a future
doctrinal revelation, would He not?
I guess that one way to tell the time of its fulfilment is to
ask ourselves whether we (that is, our educated commentators)
yet plainly know of the Father, or whether we do not have it so
plainly yet? In other words, do we understand the Bible
plainly, or does it yet speak to us in proverbs?
Revelation 10:8 Then the voice that I had heard from heaven
spoke to me once more: "Go, take the scroll that lies open in
the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the
land." 9 So I went to the angel and asked him to give me the
little scroll. He said to me, "Take it and eat it. It will turn
your stomach sour, but in your mouth it will be as sweet as
honey." 10 I took the little scroll from the angel's hand and
ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had
eaten it, my stomach turned sour. Very interesting, no? As a
sign of the last days, a "scroll" or KJV "little book" a
diminutive form of the Greek biblos or in English, bible.
Since 'book' or 'scroll' denotes writing to me, I suggest that
eating is a metaphor for reading the scroll and is used so we
can get the analogy of sweetness and bitterness/ sour taste into
the metaphor.
To continue with the thought would take us to: I read the words
on the little book and at first I thought they were very
wonderful and gratifying (sweet) but later as I dwelt upon their
meaning, I found them hard to digest, (sour in my stomach), that
is hard to accept in their full meaning. This leads me to
consider that in the last days a new revelation will be learned
that at first seems great but then makes us scared or dismayed
as we learn its implications.
In the context of the next verse: Revelation 10:11 And he said
unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and
nations, and tongues, and kings. This person who read and
studied until he understood the words in the little book must go
out and be a prophet from the Lord, probably teaching us the
words / ideas / revelation of the little book.
Since we all know the warnings of Rev 22:18: For I testify unto
every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,
If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him
the plagues that are written in this book: I'd also suggest
that this new revelation is probably more correctly called a new
understanding of a previous revelation similar to the way we got
a new understanding about the Messiah from Jesus and the
Apostles.
So I guess we had all better be open to a theological
explanation of God's reality about the Church and/or the world,
one that is different from all previous explanations we have
been taught. It is funny that people say "this new
interpretation is not in the scriptures" when they really mean
"I was never taught an understanding of the scriptures in this
way." How could it be if the scroll had not been proclaimed yet
during the last 2000 years?
Might not such an occurrence put the Churches in the position of
the Pharisees, stuck on their old understandings of the theology
of the scriptures and rejecting the new understanding written in
the little book? Being faithful to your church does not
necessarily make you faithful to GOD.
[/quote]
You "new/improved" interpretation in the first two post, does
not inspire me to drop my Eschatology and leave behind my
theology.
Blade
#Post#: 18583--------------------------------------------------
Re: New Revelation Prophesied
By: patrick jane Date: October 9, 2020, 7:47 am
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=511.msg16357#msg16357
date=1597598243]
[quote author=Ted T. link=topic=511.msg9505#msg9505
date=1578269535]
John 16:25 These things have I (Jesus) spoken unto you in
proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto
you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
Which time coming was Jesus referring to? Was He speaking of a
time more in the future (say like this time)? Well, if it was a
time more in the future, then He would be referring to a future
doctrinal revelation, would He not?
I guess that one way to tell the time of its fulfilment is to
ask ourselves whether we (that is, our educated commentators)
yet plainly know of the Father, or whether we do not have it so
plainly yet? In other words, do we understand the Bible
plainly, or does it yet speak to us in proverbs?
Revelation 10:8 Then the voice that I had heard from heaven
spoke to me once more: "Go, take the scroll that lies open in
the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the
land." 9 So I went to the angel and asked him to give me the
little scroll. He said to me, "Take it and eat it. It will turn
your stomach sour, but in your mouth it will be as sweet as
honey." 10 I took the little scroll from the angel's hand and
ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had
eaten it, my stomach turned sour. Very interesting, no? As a
sign of the last days, a "scroll" or KJV "little book" a
diminutive form of the Greek biblos or in English, bible.
Since 'book' or 'scroll' denotes writing to me, I suggest that
eating is a metaphor for reading the scroll and is used so we
can get the analogy of sweetness and bitterness/ sour taste into
the metaphor.
To continue with the thought would take us to: I read the words
on the little book and at first I thought they were very
wonderful and gratifying (sweet) but later as I dwelt upon their
meaning, I found them hard to digest, (sour in my stomach), that
is hard to accept in their full meaning. This leads me to
consider that in the last days a new revelation will be learned
that at first seems great but then makes us scared or dismayed
as we learn its implications.
In the context of the next verse: Revelation 10:11 And he said
unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and
nations, and tongues, and kings. This person who read and
studied until he understood the words in the little book must go
out and be a prophet from the Lord, probably teaching us the
words / ideas / revelation of the little book.
Since we all know the warnings of Rev 22:18: For I testify unto
every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book,
If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him
the plagues that are written in this book: I'd also suggest
that this new revelation is probably more correctly called a new
understanding of a previous revelation similar to the way we got
a new understanding about the Messiah from Jesus and the
Apostles.
So I guess we had all better be open to a theological
explanation of God's reality about the Church and/or the world,
one that is different from all previous explanations we have
been taught. It is funny that people say "this new
interpretation is not in the scriptures" when they really mean
"I was never taught an understanding of the scriptures in this
way." How could it be if the scroll had not been proclaimed yet
during the last 2000 years?
Might not such an occurrence put the Churches in the position of
the Pharisees, stuck on their old understandings of the theology
of the scriptures and rejecting the new understanding written in
the little book? Being faithful to your church does not
necessarily make you faithful to GOD.
[/quote]
You "new/improved" interpretation in the first two post, does
not inspire me to drop my Eschatology and leave behind my
theology.
Blade
[/quote] ;D
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