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The Sin of Onan & The Kinsman Redeemer
DIR By: joechan82
Date: August 14, 2018, 2:25 pm
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Gen 38:4-10 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she
called his name Onan. And she yet again conceived, and bare a
son; and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she
bare him. And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name
was Tamar. And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of
the LORD; and the LORD slew him. And Judah said unto Onan, Go in
unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy
brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it
came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he
spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his
brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD:
wherefore he slew him also.
It is easy to see exactly what Onan did; he spilled his seed.
Why did this action prompt God to kill him? Is this a terrifying
story told to prevent us from spilling our seed or God might
kill us, or is there more to the story than appears on its face?
Why was God displeased? Onan violated the duty of the husband's
brother. Although not codified by Moses in the Law, it was
doubtless known to the Jews prior to the formal written law.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because
of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise
was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a
mediator.
Deut 25:5-10 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die,
and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without
unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and
take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's
brother unto her. And it shall be, that the firstborn which she
beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead,
that his name be not put out of Israel. And if the man like not
to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to
the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth
to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not
perform the duty of my husband's brother. Then the elders of his
city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it,
and say, I like not to take her; Then shall his brother's wife
come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe
from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and
say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up
his brother's house. And his name shall be called in Israel,
The house of him that hath his shoe loosed.
This law of the husband's brother is put in place to protect the
birth right. The eldest son inherited all the land given to his
family by Moses when Israel settled in Canaan. When the eldest
son died childless, the next brother raised up seed to his
brother's wife, and the product of that union inherited the
birthright, not the brother himself. Think about that. The
brother loses the birthright and the son of the eldest gains it
through his wife.
Look at the trap laid for Jesus by the Saducees in Matt 22. They
used this very law to disprove the resurrection. Of course,
Christ easily answered their accusation.
Mat 22:23-33 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say
that there is no resurrection, and asked him, Saying, Master,
Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall
marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. Now there
were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married
a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his
brother: Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the
seventh. And last of all the woman died also. Therefore in the
resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all
had her. Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not
knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the
resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but
are as the angels of God in heaven. But as touching the
resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken
unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of
Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but
of the living. And when the multitude heard this, they were
astonished at his doctrine.
This was the sin of Onan. If you understand this law, then the
book of Ruth makes more sense. Read Ruth chapter 4. You will see
the kinsman redeemer. It is the child, not Boaz. It is the child
born in Bethlem Judah who redeemed the Jewish (Naomi) and the
Gentile (Ruth the Moabite) brides! What a spectacular picture of
Jesus Christ!
Ruth 4:11-15 And all the people that were in the gate, and the
elders, said, We are witnesses. The LORD make the woman that is
come into thine house like Rachel and like Leah, which two did
build the house of Israel: and do thou worthily in Ephratah, and
be famous in Bethlehem: And let thy house be like the house of
Pharez, whom Tamar bare unto Judah, of the seed which the LORD
shall give thee of this young woman. So Boaz took Ruth, and she
was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the LORD gave her
conception, and she bare a son. And the women said unto Naomi,
Blessed be the LORD, which hath not left thee this day without a
kinsman, that his name may be famous in Israel. And he shall be
unto thee a restorer of thy life, and a nourisher of thine old
age: for thy daughter in law, which loveth thee, which is better
to thee than seven sons, hath born him.
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#Post#: 389--------------------------------------------------
Re: The sin of Onan & The kinsman Redeemer
DIR By: Sasha
Date: August 14, 2018, 3:02 pm
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--- Quote from: joechan82 link ---
>
> Gen 38:4-10 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she
called his name Onan. And she yet again conceived, and bare a
son; and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she
bare him. And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name
was Tamar. And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of
the LORD; and the LORD slew him. And Judah said unto Onan, Go in
unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy
brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it
came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he
spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his
brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD:
wherefore he slew him also.
>
> It is easy to see exactly what Onan did; he spilled his seed.
Why did this action prompt God to kill him? Is this a terrifying
story told to prevent us from spilling our seed or God might
kill us, or is there more to the story than appears on its face?
Why was God displeased? Onan violated the duty of the husband's
brother. Although not codified by Moses in the Law, it was
doubtless known to the Jews prior to the formal written law.
>
> Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because
of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise
was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a
mediator.
>
> Deut 25:5-10 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die,
and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without
unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and
take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's
brother unto her. And it shall be, that the firstborn which she
beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead,
that his name be not put out of Israel. And if the man like not
to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to
the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth
to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not
perform the duty of my husband's brother. Then the elders of his
city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it,
and say, I like not to take her; Then shall his brother's wife
come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe
from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and
say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up
his brother's house. And his name shall be called in Israel,
The house of him that hath his shoe loosed.
>
> This law of the husband's brother is put in place to protect
the birth right. The eldest son inherited all the land given to
his family by Moses when Israel settled in Canaan. When the
eldest son died childless, the next brother raised up seed to
his brother's wife, and the product of that union inherited the
birthright, not the brother himself. Think about that. The
brother loses the birthright and the son of the eldest gains it
through his wife.
>
> Look at the trap laid for Jesus by the Saducees in Matt 22.
They used this very law to disprove the resurrection. Of course,
Christ easily answered their accusation.
>
> Mat 22:23-33 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which
say that there is no resurrection, and asked him, Saying,
Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his
brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his
brother. Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first,
when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left
his wife unto his brother: Likewise the second also, and the
third, unto the seventh. And last of all the woman died also.
Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the
seven? for they all had her. Jesus answered and said unto them,
Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For
in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in
marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. But as
touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that
which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of
Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not
the God of the dead, but of the living. And when the multitude
heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.
>
> This was the sin of Onan. If you understand this law, then the
book of Ruth makes more sense. Read Ruth chapter 4. You will see
the kinsman redeemer. It is the child, not Boaz. It is the child
born in Bethlem Judah who redeemed the Jewish (Naomi) and the
Gentile (Ruth the Moabite) brides! What a spectacular picture of
Jesus Christ!
>
> Ruth 4:11-15 And all the people that were in the gate, and
the elders, said, We are witnesses. The LORD make the woman that
is come into thine house like Rachel and like Leah, which two
did build the house of Israel: and do thou worthily in Ephratah,
and be famous in Bethlehem: And let thy house be like the house
of Pharez, whom Tamar bare unto Judah, of the seed which the
LORD shall give thee of this young woman. So Boaz took Ruth, and
she was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the LORD gave
her conception, and she bare a son. And the women said unto
Naomi, Blessed be the LORD, which hath not left thee this day
without a kinsman, that his name may be famous in Israel. And
he shall be unto thee a restorer of thy life, and a nourisher of
thine old age: for thy daughter in law, which loveth thee, which
is better to thee than seven sons, hath born him.
>
--- End Quote ---
Awesome thread! And ofcoarse, God was tending or pruning a
divine lineage for ONE special Savior to be born. Tamar is in
the lineage of Christ and interesting enough, Onan desired his
name to go on, but had a “shot” (sorry, couldn’t resist the pun)
at being part of the most important lineage in history.
Unfortunately, he “discharged” his place in that lineage.
Again, excellent thread Joe!!!
#Post#: 391--------------------------------------------------
Re: The sin of Onan & The kinsman Redeemer
DIR By: Sasha
Date: August 14, 2018, 3:17 pm
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Wonderful tread! I get upset when people reduce this passage to
a teaching of men. Even this passage points to Christ and it’s
refreshing to see it exegeted correctly!
#Post#: 393--------------------------------------------------
Re: The sin of Onan & The kinsman Redeemer
DIR By: joechan82
Date: August 14, 2018, 4:13 pm
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I hear a lot of topical sermons. Someone takes a verse or two
and takes off in some direction. I believe that the Bible is the
best commentary on the Bible. It all fits together if you know
where to look. Those puns made me sigh. From what I know of
puns, that is the intent. Thanks for the comments. Very
encouraging indeed.
#Post#: 397--------------------------------------------------
Re: The sin of Onan & The kinsman Redeemer
DIR By: guest11
Date: August 14, 2018, 6:30 pm
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Thanks for this thread. I am in the middle of reading Francine
Rivers’ “Lineage of Grace” going over the lives of Tamar, Rahab,
Ruth, Bathsheba and Mary. I realize it maybe light weight, but I
always have to be reading a novel, so my new genre is Christian
Historical Fiction. I am always interested in any
recommendations of books.
#Post#: 398--------------------------------------------------
Re: The sin of Onan & The kinsman Redeemer
DIR By: Sasha
Date: August 14, 2018, 7:11 pm
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--- Quote from: Lora Hood link ---
>
> Thanks for this thread. I am in the middle of reading Francine
Rivers’ “Lineage of Grace” going over the lives of Tamar, Rahab,
Ruth, Bathsheba and Mary. I realize it maybe light weight, but I
always have to be reading a novel, so my new genre is Christian
Historical Fiction. I am always interested in any
recommendations of books.
>
--- End Quote ---
That sounds like a wonderful book!
#Post#: 403--------------------------------------------------
Re: The sin of Onan & The kinsman Redeemer
DIR By: guest2
Date: August 14, 2018, 8:33 pm
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Therefore it behooved him to be made like unto his brethren. 8)
:)
#Post#: 443--------------------------------------------------
Re: The sin of Onan & The kinsman Redeemer
DIR By: joechan82
Date: August 16, 2018, 11:14 am
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Awesome thread! And ofcoarse, God was tending or pruning a
divine lineage for ONE special Savior to be born. Tamar is in
the lineage of Christ and interesting enough, Onan desired his
name to go on, but had a “shot” (sorry, couldn’t resist the pun)
at being part of the most important lineage in history.
Unfortunately, he “discharged” his place in that lineage.
Again, excellent thread Joe!!!
[/quote]
" … tending or pruning a divine lineage." What an elegant turn
of phrase! If lineage was of no consequence, then why does
scripture spend so much time on it. The seed of the woman vs the
seed of the serpent. Sometimes it is spiritual, but sometimes it
is literal. Before Christ's sacrifice could satisfy God, Jesus
had to be exactly who He said He was. Many were crucified by the
Romans, but only Jesus satisfied all of the demands of a holy
God. Who can fathom all that? Not me.
#Post#: 457--------------------------------------------------
Re: The sin of Onan & The kinsman Redeemer
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: August 16, 2018, 6:57 pm
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--- Quote from: joechan82 link ---
>
> Gen 38:4-10 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she
called his name Onan. And she yet again conceived, and bare a
son; and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she
bare him. And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name
was Tamar. And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of
the LORD; and the LORD slew him. And Judah said unto Onan, Go in
unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy
brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it
came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he
spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his
brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD:
wherefore he slew him also.
>
> It is easy to see exactly what Onan did; he spilled his seed.
Why did this action prompt God to kill him? Is this a terrifying
story told to prevent us from spilling our seed or God might
kill us, or is there more to the story than appears on its face?
Why was God displeased? Onan violated the duty of the husband's
brother. Although not codified by Moses in the Law, it was
doubtless known to the Jews prior to the formal written law.
>
> Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because
of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise
was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a
mediator.
>
> Deut 25:5-10 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die,
and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without
unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and
take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's
brother unto her. And it shall be, that the firstborn which she
beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead,
that his name be not put out of Israel. And if the man like not
to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to
the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth
to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not
perform the duty of my husband's brother. Then the elders of his
city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it,
and say, I like not to take her; Then shall his brother's wife
come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe
from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and
say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up
his brother's house. And his name shall be called in Israel,
The house of him that hath his shoe loosed.
>
> This law of the husband's brother is put in place to protect
the birth right. The eldest son inherited all the land given to
his family by Moses when Israel settled in Canaan. When the
eldest son died childless, the next brother raised up seed to
his brother's wife, and the product of that union inherited the
birthright, not the brother himself. Think about that. The
brother loses the birthright and the son of the eldest gains it
through his wife.
>
> Look at the trap laid for Jesus by the Saducees in Matt 22.
They used this very law to disprove the resurrection. Of course,
Christ easily answered their accusation.
>
> Mat 22:23-33 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which
say that there is no resurrection, and asked him, Saying,
Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his
brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his
brother. Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first,
when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left
his wife unto his brother: Likewise the second also, and the
third, unto the seventh. And last of all the woman died also.
Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the
seven? for they all had her. Jesus answered and said unto them,
Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For
in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in
marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. But as
touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that
which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of
Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not
the God of the dead, but of the living. And when the multitude
heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.
>
> [glow=red,2,300]This was the sin of Onan. If you understand
this law, then the book of Ruth makes more sense. Read Ruth
chapter 4. You will see the kinsman redeemer. It is the child,
not Boaz. It is the child born in Bethlem Judah who redeemed the
Jewish (Naomi) and the Gentile (Ruth the Moabite) brides! What a
spectacular picture of Jesus Christ!
>
> Ruth 4:11-15 And all the people that were in the gate, and
the elders, said, We are witnesses. The LORD make the woman that
is come into thine house like Rachel and like Leah, which two
did build the house of Israel: and do thou worthily in Ephratah,
and be famous in Bethlehem: And let thy house be like the house
of Pharez, whom Tamar bare unto Judah, of the seed which the
LORD shall give thee of this young woman. So Boaz took Ruth, and
she was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the LORD gave
her conception, and she bare a son. And the women said unto
Naomi, Blessed be the LORD, which hath not left thee this day
without a kinsman, that his name may be famous in Israel. And
he shall be unto thee a restorer of thy life, and a nourisher of
thine old age: for thy daughter in law, which loveth thee, which
is better to thee than seven sons, hath born him.
> [/glow]
--- End Quote ---
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Re: The sin of Onan & The kinsman Redeemer
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: August 16, 2018, 7:03 pm
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