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       #Post#: 5718--------------------------------------------------
       Newby Question About Flat Earth
       By: Brett Date: May 18, 2019, 7:13 pm
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       Thanks for accepting my registration.
       My wife (Suvel) is a FEer and I am not, but I'm openly
       investigating.
       I have considered for a while a simple physical test that most
       could do themselves to prove one way or the other and want some
       feedback on the concept.
       The idea is to use a water level (see picture) and a lazer to
       test for curvature.
       The idea is to link three water level columns with 1000 feet of
       tubing at equal distances (column, 500 feet, column, 500 feet
       last column).
       Given the curvature calcs (8" per mile) there should be a 3/4
       inch deflection at the midpoint of these three columns of water.
       (~8/5280 * 500 = 0.75)
       So if we could set this up and aim a strong lazer light at the
       end point column's water levels, the middle column's water level
       should be approx 3/4 of an inch higher, if curvature is real.
       Where am I going wrong here?
       Or is this a way to test if curvature is true or missing?
       #Post#: 5719--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Newby Question
       By: patrick jane Date: May 18, 2019, 7:26 pm
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       [quote author=Brett link=topic=455.msg5718#msg5718
       date=1558224821]
       Thanks for accepting my registration.
       My wife (Suvel) is a FEer and I am not, but I'm openly
       investigating.
       I have considered for a while a simple physical test that most
       could do themselves to prove one way or the other and want some
       feedback on the concept.
       The idea is to use a water level (see picture) and a lazer to
       test for curvature.
       The idea is to link three water level columns with 1000 feet of
       tubing at equal distances (column, 500 feet, column, 500 feet
       last column).
       Given the curvature calcs (8" per mile) there should be a 3/4
       inch deflection at the midpoint of these three columns of water.
       (~8/5280 * 500 = 0.75)
       So if we could set this up and aim a strong lazer light at the
       end point column's water levels, the middle column's water level
       should be approx 3/4 of an inch higher, if curvature is real.
       Where am I going wrong here?
       Or is this a way to test if curvature is true or missing?
       [/quote]Thank you for joining. This test should work. Forgive me
       for not being familiar with the water level apparatus but I can
       see how they would work. I will email a friend that I speak to
       periodically in the FE camp and he is better with math and
       experiments. It could be days or weeks until I hear from him
       unfortunately as we haven't spoken recently but we'll see. I can
       also try to pose this question to Del from the YT channel:
       Beyond the Imaginary Curve and his friend Gavin who is a
       Master's level physicist and mathematician. They are also very
       difficult to reach/contact but I will certainly try.
       #Post#: 5723--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Newby Question
       By: Brett Date: May 18, 2019, 8:32 pm
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       Thanks PJ, that would be great to have some independent
       confirmations.
       Not an urgent thing, but something nagging me in the back of my
       head.
       Brett
       #Post#: 5727--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Newby Question
       By: patrick jane Date: May 18, 2019, 10:54 pm
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       [quote author=Brett link=topic=455.msg5723#msg5723
       date=1558229555]
       Thanks PJ, that would be great to have some independent
       confirmations.
       Not an urgent thing, but something nagging me in the back of my
       head.
       Brett
       [/quote]I know your math is right but the entire experiment
       needs to be looked at. I already emailed my old FE partner, so
       hopefully I will hear back soon. If you ever get a chance try to
       find that youtube channel Beyond the imaginary curve. Del and
       Gavin and he has a large amount of videos about water and real
       science pertaining to the earth. He has a thick Scottish accent,
       from Glasgow, but I can understand him OK. Look around here and
       you can post about anything that interest you and even start new
       topics etc. Thank you Brett !!!
       #Post#: 5783--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Newby Question
       By: patrick jane Date: May 20, 2019, 11:54 pm
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       Brett, I've been thinking about the test. Keep in mind I'm bad
       at math and I'm still waiting to hear from my FE expert friend.
       As I understand it, I think wherever you are standing is the
       "top of the ball" so to speak. Now, from where you are measure
       out a square mile around you (I think), regardless, if you
       measure out 1 mile there should be 8 inches difference. So
       theoretically yes, you could scale that down to 1,000 feet of
       tubing and measure and divide.
       #Post#: 5827--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Newby Question
       By: Brett Date: May 23, 2019, 6:14 pm
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       Thanks for the feedback and considerations.  Dave Weiss is
       looking at my concept as well.  I have posted a visual to help
       make the concept more clear.  Please, anyone who can say why or
       why not this is a real proof either way let me know.
       #Post#: 5828--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Newby Question
       By: guest55 Date: May 23, 2019, 7:34 pm
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       Your test has been done only they used a laser pointed at a
       white screen on a boat and took readings at intervals until they
       were 4 miles or so from the laser.  If the earth has a curve,
       you would expect the laser which projects a planer beam to move
       up on the target as the boat progressed away from its location.
       I won't spoil it for you.  You google "earth curvature laser
       experiment" to see the results yourself.
       #Post#: 5832--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Newby Question
       By: guest8 Date: May 23, 2019, 9:50 pm
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       [quote author=Brett link=topic=455.msg5827#msg5827
       date=1558653240]
       Thanks for the feedback and considerations.  Dave Weiss is
       looking at my concept as well.  I have posted a visual to help
       make the concept more clear.  Please, anyone who can say why or
       why not this is a real proof either way let me know.
       [/quote]
       [shadow=blue,left]Good Afternoon Bret and welcome to FEF.
       I don't see how your assumptions could work. If the 1st column
       was anchored, the middle column would be lower than the first
       and the third column would be lower than the 1st and middle
       columns. The water in each column would not be affected as it
       would stay within the boundaries of each column.
       you said in one post:"Or is this a way to test if curvature is
       true or missing?"
       see picture:..[attach=1]
       DO is distance to object
       D1 is the Horizon distance
       HO is the Eye Height
       H1 is the Target Hidden Height. (Note: This is the final answer)
       Blade[/shadow]
       #Post#: 6005--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Newby Question
       By: patrick jane Date: May 29, 2019, 4:40 pm
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       Hey Brett and suvel, where are you, on the other side of the
       world or something, LOLOLOL !!!
       #Post#: 6006--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Newby Question
       By: Brett Date: May 29, 2019, 8:36 pm
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       PJ, well we are in South America however FEthers say that.
       [member=8]Bladerunner[/member], forgetting the water levels and
       the test, if we consider standing water on the alleged globe, it
       must be in the form of a curve of 8 inches per mile.  The place
       closest to you is not higher and the distant place lower.  This
       test is trying to present te same scenario without the
       difficulties of trying to compare open water with all the
       natural issues (waves etc.).
       @ Grace Accepted.  The reason for my test scenario is to present
       a way any person can prove flat or not with simple items that
       are affordable.
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