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#Post#: 5718--------------------------------------------------
Newby Question About Flat Earth
DIR By: Brett
Date: May 18, 2019, 7:13 pm
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Thanks for accepting my registration.
My wife (Suvel) is a FEer and I am not, but I'm openly
investigating.
I have considered for a while a simple physical test that most
could do themselves to prove one way or the other and want some
feedback on the concept.
The idea is to use a water level (see picture) and a lazer to
test for curvature.
The idea is to link three water level columns with 1000 feet of
tubing at equal distances (column, 500 feet, column, 500 feet
last column).
Given the curvature calcs (8" per mile) there should be a 3/4
inch deflection at the midpoint of these three columns of water.
(~8/5280 * 500 = 0.75)
So if we could set this up and aim a strong lazer light at the
end point column's water levels, the middle column's water level
should be approx 3/4 of an inch higher, if curvature is real.
Where am I going wrong here?
Or is this a way to test if curvature is true or missing?
#Post#: 5719--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newby Question
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: May 18, 2019, 7:26 pm
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--- Quote from: Brett link ---
>
> Thanks for accepting my registration.
>
> My wife (Suvel) is a FEer and I am not, but I'm openly
investigating.
>
> I have considered for a while a simple physical test that most
could do themselves to prove one way or the other and want some
feedback on the concept.
>
> The idea is to use a water level (see picture) and a lazer to
test for curvature.
>
> The idea is to link three water level columns with 1000 feet
of tubing at equal distances (column, 500 feet, column, 500 feet
last column).
>
> Given the curvature calcs (8" per mile) there should be a 3/4
inch deflection at the midpoint of these three columns of water.
(~8/5280 * 500 = 0.75)
>
> So if we could set this up and aim a strong lazer light at the
end point column's water levels, the middle column's water level
should be approx 3/4 of an inch higher, if curvature is real.
>
> Where am I going wrong here?
>
> Or is this a way to test if curvature is true or missing?
>
--- End Quote ---
Thank you for joining. This test should work. Forgive me for not
being familiar with the water level apparatus but I can see how
they would work. I will email a friend that I speak to
periodically in the FE camp and he is better with math and
experiments. It could be days or weeks until I hear from him
unfortunately as we haven't spoken recently but we'll see. I can
also try to pose this question to Del from the YT channel:
Beyond the Imaginary Curve and his friend Gavin who is a
Master's level physicist and mathematician. They are also very
difficult to reach/contact but I will certainly try.
#Post#: 5723--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newby Question
DIR By: Brett
Date: May 18, 2019, 8:32 pm
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Thanks PJ, that would be great to have some independent
confirmations.
Not an urgent thing, but something nagging me in the back of my
head.
Brett
#Post#: 5727--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newby Question
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: May 18, 2019, 10:54 pm
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--- Quote from: Brett link ---
>
> Thanks PJ, that would be great to have some independent
confirmations.
>
> Not an urgent thing, but something nagging me in the back of
my head.
>
> Brett
>
--- End Quote ---
I know your math is right but the entire experiment needs to be
looked at. I already emailed my old FE partner, so hopefully I
will hear back soon. If you ever get a chance try to find that
youtube channel Beyond the imaginary curve. Del and Gavin and he
has a large amount of videos about water and real science
pertaining to the earth. He has a thick Scottish accent, from
Glasgow, but I can understand him OK. Look around here and you
can post about anything that interest you and even start new
topics etc. Thank you Brett !!!
#Post#: 5783--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newby Question
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: May 20, 2019, 11:54 pm
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Brett, I've been thinking about the test. Keep in mind I'm bad
at math and I'm still waiting to hear from my FE expert friend.
As I understand it, I think wherever you are standing is the
"top of the ball" so to speak. Now, from where you are measure
out a square mile around you (I think), regardless, if you
measure out 1 mile there should be 8 inches difference. So
theoretically yes, you could scale that down to 1,000 feet of
tubing and measure and divide.
#Post#: 5827--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newby Question
DIR By: Brett
Date: May 23, 2019, 6:14 pm
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Thanks for the feedback and considerations. Dave Weiss is
looking at my concept as well. I have posted a visual to help
make the concept more clear. Please, anyone who can say why or
why not this is a real proof either way let me know.
#Post#: 5828--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newby Question
DIR By: guest55
Date: May 23, 2019, 7:34 pm
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Your test has been done only they used a laser pointed at a
white screen on a boat and took readings at intervals until they
were 4 miles or so from the laser. If the earth has a curve,
you would expect the laser which projects a planer beam to move
up on the target as the boat progressed away from its location.
I won't spoil it for you. You google "earth curvature laser
experiment" to see the results yourself.
#Post#: 5832--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newby Question
DIR By: guest8
Date: May 23, 2019, 9:50 pm
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--- Quote from: Brett link ---
>
> Thanks for the feedback and considerations. Dave Weiss is
looking at my concept as well. I have posted a visual to help
make the concept more clear. Please, anyone who can say why or
why not this is a real proof either way let me know.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]Good Afternoon Bret and welcome to FEF.
I don't see how your assumptions could work. If the 1st column
was anchored, the middle column would be lower than the first
and the third column would be lower than the 1st and middle
columns. The water in each column would not be affected as it
would stay within the boundaries of each column.
you said in one post:"Or is this a way to test if curvature is
true or missing?"
see picture:..[attach=1]
DO is distance to object
D1 is the Horizon distance
HO is the Eye Height
H1 is the Target Hidden Height. (Note: This is the final answer)
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 6005--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newby Question
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: May 29, 2019, 4:40 pm
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Hey Brett and suvel, where are you, on the other side of the
world or something, LOLOLOL !!!
#Post#: 6006--------------------------------------------------
Re: Newby Question
DIR By: Brett
Date: May 29, 2019, 8:36 pm
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PJ, well we are in South America however FEthers say that.
[member=8]Bladerunner[/member], forgetting the water levels and
the test, if we consider standing water on the alleged globe, it
must be in the form of a curve of 8 inches per mile. The place
closest to you is not higher and the distant place lower. This
test is trying to present te same scenario without the
difficulties of trying to compare open water with all the
natural issues (waves etc.).
@ Grace Accepted. The reason for my test scenario is to present
a way any person can prove flat or not with simple items that
are affordable.
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