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#Post#: 5709--------------------------------------------------
What I really believe about MAD
By: Billy Evmur Date: May 18, 2019, 3:56 pm
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I thought when I first read MAD that it was a cult and I used to
fight it vigourously. With much discourse I came to see that
they were saved and actually held many precious truths that I
have always held so I lightened up.
It's good to admit you have been wrong, I hope if I am shown in
scripture something I will always be ready to accept scripture.
Never-the-less [you knew there would be a never-the-less]
I have a disagreement which on the face of it seems like a mere
hairline difference but actually is a chasm.
It is in the matter of where they divide the scripture
concerning the Jews
I am so glad that they DO believe in the future rise of the
Jews, it is dear to my heart. But they draw the line at the
Church Jews, Pete, Jimmy and Johnners. They's church you see,
the Body of Christ.
The promises of the OT prophecies are not made to them but to
Israel, that is ethnic Israel, the nation of Jews who are the
seed of Abe.
I do not accept that the gospel to the Jews is or has ever been
different than the gospel to us Gentiles. Jesus did not preach
Moses, He preached grace. It took an awful long time for it to
sink in but following the ruckus at Antioch they were made to
acknowledge that the Gentiles were saved as good as the Jews
through faith and not as a reward for obedience.
There are not two gospels but there are two peoples NOT the Jews
and the Gentiles but the church Jew/Gentiles and the nation of
Israel. It is to Israel that the land promises are made not to
the Jewish church.
#Post#: 5712--------------------------------------------------
Re: What I really believe about MAD
By: patrick jane Date: May 18, 2019, 4:10 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=454.msg5709#msg5709
date=1558212967]
I thought when I first read MAD that it was a cult and I used to
fight it vigourously. With much discourse I came to see that
they were saved and actually held many precious truths that I
have always held so I lightened up.
It's good to admit you have been wrong, I hope if I am shown in
scripture something I will always be ready to accept scripture.
Never-the-less [you knew there would be a never-the-less]
I have a disagreement which on the face of it seems like a mere
hairline difference but actually is a chasm.
It is in the matter of where they divide the scripture
concerning the Jews
I am so glad that they DO believe in the future rise of the
Jews, it is dear to my heart. But they draw the line at the
Church Jews, Pete, Jimmy and Johnners. They's church you see,
the Body of Christ.
The promises of the OT prophecies are not made to them but to
Israel, that is ethnic Israel, the nation of Jews who are the
seed of Abe.
I do not accept that the gospel to the Jews is or has ever been
different than the gospel to us Gentiles. Jesus did not preach
Moses, He preached grace. It took an awful long time for it to
sink in but following the ruckus at Antioch they were made to
acknowledge that the Gentiles were saved as good as the Jews
through faith and not as a reward for obedience.
There are not two gospels but there are two peoples NOT the Jews
and the Gentiles but the church Jew/Gentiles and the nation of
Israel. It is to Israel that the land promises are made not to
the Jewish church.
[/quote]I'm of the belief that NOW there is one gospel 1
Corinthians 12:13-14 KJV but before Paul there were more than
one. Remember "gospel" is simply good news. There's more than
one piece of good news in the Bible. Israel is on hold because
of more unbelief.
#Post#: 5748--------------------------------------------------
Re: What I really believe about MAD
By: guest8 Date: May 19, 2019, 9:43 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=454.msg5712#msg5712
date=1558213855]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=454.msg5709#msg5709
date=1558212967]
I thought when I first read MAD that it was a cult and I used to
fight it vigourously. With much discourse I came to see that
they were saved and actually held many precious truths that I
have always held so I lightened up.
It's good to admit you have been wrong, I hope if I am shown in
scripture something I will always be ready to accept scripture.
Never-the-less [you knew there would be a never-the-less]
I have a disagreement which on the face of it seems like a mere
hairline difference but actually is a chasm.
It is in the matter of where they divide the scripture
concerning the Jews
I am so glad that they DO believe in the future rise of the
Jews, it is dear to my heart. But they draw the line at the
Church Jews, Pete, Jimmy and Johnners. They's church you see,
the Body of Christ.
The promises of the OT prophecies are not made to them but to
Israel, that is ethnic Israel, the nation of Jews who are the
seed of Abe.
I do not accept that the gospel to the Jews is or has ever been
different than the gospel to us Gentiles. Jesus did not preach
Moses, He preached grace. It took an awful long time for it to
sink in but following the ruckus at Antioch they were made to
acknowledge that the Gentiles were saved as good as the Jews
through faith and not as a reward for obedience.
There are not two gospels but there are two peoples NOT the Jews
and the Gentiles but the church Jew/Gentiles and the nation of
Israel. It is to Israel that the land promises are made not to
the Jewish church.
[/quote]I'm of the belief that NOW there is one gospel 1
Corinthians 12:13-14 KJV but before Paul there were more than
one. Remember "gospel" is simply good news. There's more than
one piece of good news in the Bible. Israel is on hold because
of more unbelief.
[/quote]
[shadow=Blade,left]
The MAD believers are Christians.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 5770--------------------------------------------------
Re: What I really believe about MAD
By: Billy Evmur Date: May 20, 2019, 5:58 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=454.msg5712#msg5712
date=1558213855]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=454.msg5709#msg5709
date=1558212967]
I thought when I first read MAD that it was a cult and I used to
fight it vigourously. With much discourse I came to see that
they were saved and actually held many precious truths that I
have always held so I lightened up.
It's good to admit you have been wrong, I hope if I am shown in
scripture something I will always be ready to accept scripture.
Never-the-less [you knew there would be a never-the-less]
I have a disagreement which on the face of it seems like a mere
hairline difference but actually is a chasm.
It is in the matter of where they divide the scripture
concerning the Jews
I am so glad that they DO believe in the future rise of the
Jews, it is dear to my heart. But they draw the line at the
Church Jews, Pete, Jimmy and Johnners. They's church you see,
the Body of Christ.
The promises of the OT prophecies are not made to them but to
Israel, that is ethnic Israel, the nation of Jews who are the
seed of Abe.
I do not accept that the gospel to the Jews is or has ever been
different than the gospel to us Gentiles. Jesus did not preach
Moses, He preached grace. It took an awful long time for it to
sink in but following the ruckus at Antioch they were made to
acknowledge that the Gentiles were saved as good as the Jews
through faith and not as a reward for obedience.
There are not two gospels but there are two peoples NOT the Jews
and the Gentiles but the church Jew/Gentiles and the nation of
Israel. It is to Israel that the land promises are made not to
the Jewish church.
[/quote]I'm of the belief that NOW there is one gospel 1
Corinthians 12:13-14 KJV but before Paul there were more than
one. Remember "gospel" is simply good news. There's more than
one piece of good news in the Bible. Israel is on hold because
of more unbelief.
[/quote]
There has [as I see it] only been one gospel ever but the
Jerusalem crowd just couldn't get their heads around it … God
kept showing them and telling them.
It took Paul to come along to reveal it.
For example and it is but one of any number
Jesus states clears as any scripture anywhere in the bible "If
any man hear My voice and believe on Him who sent Me he shall be
saved and I will raise him up at the last day"
That is pure grace gospel, it is the gospel Paul preached.
Antioch brought the issue to a head and the Jerusalem crowd were
made to see they had not fully grasped the purity of the grace
gospel.
The teaching that MAD has that the Jewish salvation is not for
this present time is a shocker.
#Post#: 6022--------------------------------------------------
Re: What I really believe about MAD
By: guest8 Date: May 30, 2019, 9:41 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=454.msg5770#msg5770
date=1558393091]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=454.msg5712#msg5712
date=1558213855]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=454.msg5709#msg5709
date=1558212967]
I thought when I first read MAD that it was a cult and I used to
fight it vigourously. With much discourse I came to see that
they were saved and actually held many precious truths that I
have always held so I lightened up.
It's good to admit you have been wrong, I hope if I am shown in
scripture something I will always be ready to accept scripture.
Never-the-less [you knew there would be a never-the-less]
I have a disagreement which on the face of it seems like a mere
hairline difference but actually is a chasm.
It is in the matter of where they divide the scripture
concerning the Jews
I am so glad that they DO believe in the future rise of the
Jews, it is dear to my heart. But they draw the line at the
Church Jews, Pete, Jimmy and Johnners. They's church you see,
the Body of Christ.
The promises of the OT prophecies are not made to them but to
Israel, that is ethnic Israel, the nation of Jews who are the
seed of Abe.
I do not accept that the gospel to the Jews is or has ever been
different than the gospel to us Gentiles. Jesus did not preach
Moses, He preached grace. It took an awful long time for it to
sink in but following the ruckus at Antioch they were made to
acknowledge that the Gentiles were saved as good as the Jews
through faith and not as a reward for obedience.
There are not two gospels but there are two peoples NOT the Jews
and the Gentiles but the church Jew/Gentiles and the nation of
Israel. It is to Israel that the land promises are made not to
the Jewish church.
[/quote]I'm of the belief that NOW there is one gospel 1
Corinthians 12:13-14 KJV but before Paul there were more than
one. Remember "gospel" is simply good news. There's more than
one piece of good news in the Bible. Israel is on hold because
of more unbelief.
[/quote]
There has [as I see it] only been one gospel ever but the
Jerusalem crowd just couldn't get their heads around it … God
kept showing them and telling them.
It took Paul to come along to reveal it.
For example and it is but one of any number
Jesus states clears as any scripture anywhere in the bible "If
any man hear My voice and believe on Him who sent Me he shall be
saved and I will raise him up at the last day"
That is pure grace gospel, it is the gospel Paul preached.
Antioch brought the issue to a head and the Jerusalem crowd were
made to see they had not fully grasped the purity of the grace
gospel.
The teaching that MAD has that the Jewish salvation is not for
this present time is a shocker.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]I read this and I got to question?
What happened to the 3,000 Jews who were saved and received the
Holy Spirit in Acts 2 or the other 5,000 Jews who were
subsequently saved and received the Holy Spirit just prior to
Cornelius's (the first Gentile)Salvation?
The Law of Moses was the GOSPEL (OT) until John the Baptist.
Then the Gospel of the Kingdom (OT) was preached until Jesus'
death and Resurrection. After that, the Gospel of Jesus Christ
(the Church)(NT) has been preached until the Church (Body/Bride)
of Christ is removed just prior to Daniel's 70th week. After
this, the Everlasting Gospel will be preached by the 144,000,
the two witnesses and the angels on high. This will be the
Gospel for the Millennium.
Yes, God has a special Plan for Israel and for those that have
not converted to Christianity during the "Period of Grace" we
have today. After the removal of the Church, the Israelis will
be put through a test of fire and brimstone which will include
the whole world. Until the AoD event happens, many Jews will die
in the Name of Jesus Christ and will become Tribulation Saints.
Those who are living in and around Jerusalem, those who see the
AoD take place (CNN), will flees to Petra in the mountains south
(Jordan) for protections by the Lord our GOD. These living Jews
will become the remnant (1/3) of all Israel. All other Jews will
die (some in the Name of Jesus Christ thus becoming tribulation
saints) and the others 2/3 of Israel will die and be taken to
HELL.
The New Covenant will install into every living Jew at Petra,
the laws of God into their heart and they will sin no more. They
will rule Israel and Jerusalem with Jesus during the next 1000
years.
The other gentile nations that survived Daniel's 70th week, will
be judged at the Sheep and Goat Judgement. Those nation's, who
helped/befriended Israel will see their citizens live at least
100 years into the millennium. They will be known as the Sheep.
The Goats will be the Nations who did not befriend Israel. Their
citizens will be thrown into HELL.
Just prior to the Millennium beginnings, the earth will receive
a new face lift. All cities will are said to be flattened.
Also, all mountains will be flattened out as the highest place
on earth will be that of Jerusalem and the Temple. Here Jesus
will reign for 1,000 years
This 1,000 years will be a time of peace, tranquility as every
weapon will be turned into plow shares. The wolf will lie down
with the Lamb. A reset of the original atmospheric conditions
will most likely happen. Everything, humans, animals, birds etc.
will become Vegan.
Once per year, a pilgrimage to the Holy Land will take place.
This scripture tells me the earth (continents) will have been
reverted back to their original places prior to Peleg's birth
(Gen 10:25). This pilgrimage to Jerusalem will be mandatory for
everyone.
The Gentiles that live in the Millennium will have 100 years to
decide to accept Jesus Christ as the savior or NOT!. To decide
to accept Jesus as their savior, they will continue to live in
the millennium. There is no mention of translated Saints coming
from the Millennium.
Those who do not accept Jesus as their savior at their 100th
year date, will be thrown into HELL to await the Great White
Throne Judgement at the end of the Millennium.
During the Millennium, Jesus will rule with an Iron Fist. There
will be judgement quickly and decisively. I believe here, those
judged will also go to HELL.
The Tribulation Saints will serve the Lord Jesus Night and Day
most likely within the 50x50 mile Temple built just north of
Jerusalem.
The Bride (church/Body) of Jesus Christ will become Kings and
Priest and most likely will have some duties with Gentile
Nations under the reign of Jesus for 1,000 years.
At the end of the 1,000 Years, Satan will be released from the
Bottomless Pit and will incite another Gog/Magog insurrection.
When the forces surround Jerusalem, Jesus will bring down fire
on all of them and immediately send them to HELL.
Once this is completed, The Great White Throne Judgement will
most likely commence. The second resurrection will pair all the
souls that are awaiting in HELL to their bodies asleep on/in the
earth/seas, etc.
After the White Throne Judgement and all those found guilty are
thrown into the eternal "Lake of Fire", It is my conjecture
that God will remove ALL on earth to the third Heaven as the
Earth itself is will be destroyed by fire and rebuilt without
oceans or seas.
After it is rebuilt, a New Jerusalem will come down from heaven.
It is my suspicion that the New Jerusalem will take the place of
the
50x50 mile temple used by Jesus during the Millennium. It is
also assumed the New Jerusalem never lands on earth as we are
never told that it does.
There is no mention of Saints coming out of the Millennium. Do
the people (in the flesh) that lived through the Millennium,
populate the New Earth. Since the New Jerusalem contains the
Tree of Life where all the people will eat from it and live
forever it is assumed that the lifestyle of the Millennium will
be continued on the New Earth for an eternity.
Blade
[/shadow]
#Post#: 6674--------------------------------------------------
Re: What I really believe about MAD
By: patrick jane Date: June 29, 2019, 11:04 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Good post Blade.
#Post#: 6931--------------------------------------------------
Re: What I really believe about MAD
By: patrick jane Date: July 11, 2019, 5:46 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=454.msg6674#msg6674
date=1561824244]
Good post Blade.
[/quote]I concur.
#Post#: 12684--------------------------------------------------
Re: What I really believe about MAD
By: Billy Evmur Date: May 6, 2020, 3:36 am
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=454.msg6022#msg6022
date=1559270479]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=454.msg5770#msg5770
date=1558393091]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=454.msg5712#msg5712
date=1558213855]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=454.msg5709#msg5709
date=1558212967]
I thought when I first read MAD that it was a cult and I used to
fight it vigourously. With much discourse I came to see that
they were saved and actually held many precious truths that I
have always held so I lightened up.
It's good to admit you have been wrong, I hope if I am shown in
scripture something I will always be ready to accept scripture.
Never-the-less [you knew there would be a never-the-less]
I have a disagreement which on the face of it seems like a mere
hairline difference but actually is a chasm.
It is in the matter of where they divide the scripture
concerning the Jews
I am so glad that they DO believe in the future rise of the
Jews, it is dear to my heart. But they draw the line at the
Church Jews, Pete, Jimmy and Johnners. They's church you see,
the Body of Christ.
The promises of the OT prophecies are not made to them but to
Israel, that is ethnic Israel, the nation of Jews who are the
seed of Abe.
I do not accept that the gospel to the Jews is or has ever been
different than the gospel to us Gentiles. Jesus did not preach
Moses, He preached grace. It took an awful long time for it to
sink in but following the ruckus at Antioch they were made to
acknowledge that the Gentiles were saved as good as the Jews
through faith and not as a reward for obedience.
There are not two gospels but there are two peoples NOT the Jews
and the Gentiles but the church Jew/Gentiles and the nation of
Israel. It is to Israel that the land promises are made not to
the Jewish church.
[/quote]I'm of the belief that NOW there is one gospel 1
Corinthians 12:13-14 KJV but before Paul there were more than
one. Remember "gospel" is simply good news. There's more than
one piece of good news in the Bible. Israel is on hold because
of more unbelief.
[/quote]
There has [as I see it] only been one gospel ever but the
Jerusalem crowd just couldn't get their heads around it … God
kept showing them and telling them.
It took Paul to come along to reveal it.
For example and it is but one of any number
Jesus states clears as any scripture anywhere in the bible "If
any man hear My voice and believe on Him who sent Me he shall be
saved and I will raise him up at the last day"
That is pure grace gospel, it is the gospel Paul preached.
Antioch brought the issue to a head and the Jerusalem crowd were
made to see they had not fully grasped the purity of the grace
gospel.
The teaching that MAD has that the Jewish salvation is not for
this present time is a shocker.
[/quote]
I read this and I got to question?
What happened to the 3,000 Jews who were saved and received the
Holy Spirit in Acts 2 or the other 5,000 Jews who were
subsequently saved and received the Holy Spirit just prior to
Cornelius's (the first Gentile)Salvation?
The Law of Moses was the GOSPEL (OT) until John the Baptist.
Then the Gospel of the Kingdom (OT) was preached until Jesus'
death and Resurrection. After that, the Gospel of Jesus Christ
(the Church)(NT) has been preached until the Church (Body/Bride)
of Christ is removed just prior to Daniel's 70th week. After
this, the Everlasting Gospel will be preached by the 144,000,
the two witnesses and the angels on high. This will be the
Gospel for the Millennium.
Yes, God has a special Plan for Israel and for those that have
not converted to Christianity during the "Period of Grace" we
have today. After the removal of the Church, the Israelis will
be put through a test of fire and brimstone which will include
the whole world. Until the AoD event happens, many Jews will die
in the Name of Jesus Christ and will become Tribulation Saints.
Those who are living in and around Jerusalem, those who see the
AoD take place (CNN), will flees to Petra in the mountains south
(Jordan) for protections by the Lord our GOD. These living Jews
will become the remnant (1/3) of all Israel. All other Jews will
die (some in the Name of Jesus Christ thus becoming tribulation
saints) and the others 2/3 of Israel will die and be taken to
HELL.
The New Covenant will install into every living Jew at Petra,
the laws of God into their heart and they will sin no more. They
will rule Israel and Jerusalem with Jesus during the next 1000
years.
The other gentile nations that survived Daniel's 70th week, will
be judged at the Sheep and Goat Judgement. Those nation's, who
helped/befriended Israel will see their citizens live at least
100 years into the millennium. They will be known as the Sheep.
The Goats will be the Nations who did not befriend Israel. Their
citizens will be thrown into HELL.
Just prior to the Millennium beginnings, the earth will receive
a new face lift. All cities will are said to be flattened.
Also, all mountains will be flattened out as the highest place
on earth will be that of Jerusalem and the Temple. Here Jesus
will reign for 1,000 years
This 1,000 years will be a time of peace, tranquility as every
weapon will be turned into plow shares. The wolf will lie down
with the Lamb. A reset of the original atmospheric conditions
will most likely happen. Everything, humans, animals, birds etc.
will become Vegan.
Once per year, a pilgrimage to the Holy Land will take place.
This scripture tells me the earth (continents) will have been
reverted back to their original places prior to Peleg's birth
(Gen 10:25). This pilgrimage to Jerusalem will be mandatory for
everyone.
The Gentiles that live in the Millennium will have 100 years to
decide to accept Jesus Christ as the savior or NOT!. To decide
to accept Jesus as their savior, they will continue to live in
the millennium. There is no mention of translated Saints coming
from the Millennium.
Those who do not accept Jesus as their savior at their 100th
year date, will be thrown into HELL to await the Great White
Throne Judgement at the end of the Millennium.
During the Millennium, Jesus will rule with an Iron Fist. There
will be judgement quickly and decisively. I believe here, those
judged will also go to HELL.
The Tribulation Saints will serve the Lord Jesus Night and Day
most likely within the 50x50 mile Temple built just north of
Jerusalem.
The Bride (church/Body) of Jesus Christ will become Kings and
Priest and most likely will have some duties with Gentile
Nations under the reign of Jesus for 1,000 years.
At the end of the 1,000 Years, Satan will be released from the
Bottomless Pit and will incite another Gog/Magog insurrection.
When the forces surround Jerusalem, Jesus will bring down fire
on all of them and immediately send them to HELL.
Once this is completed, The Great White Throne Judgement will
most likely commence. The second resurrection will pair all the
souls that are awaiting in HELL to their bodies asleep on/in the
earth/seas, etc.
After the White Throne Judgement and all those found guilty are
thrown into the eternal "Lake of Fire", It is my conjecture
that God will remove ALL on earth to the third Heaven as the
Earth itself is will be destroyed by fire and rebuilt without
oceans or seas.
After it is rebuilt, a New Jerusalem will come down from heaven.
It is my suspicion that the New Jerusalem will take the place of
the
50x50 mile temple used by Jesus during the Millennium. It is
also assumed the New Jerusalem never lands on earth as we are
never told that it does.
There is no mention of Saints coming out of the Millennium. Do
the people (in the flesh) that lived through the Millennium,
populate the New Earth. Since the New Jerusalem contains the
Tree of Life where all the people will eat from it and live
forever it is assumed that the lifestyle of the Millennium will
be continued on the New Earth for an eternity.
Blade
[/quote]
Where you make your glaring [to me] error is that you say Jews
are to be slaughtered in the tribulation after the church is
removed you say until the abomination of desolation not
understanding that Antichrist sitting in the temple declaring
that he himself is God [with the agreement and adoration of the
nations] IS that abomination. He is slain instantly in the
temple.
Who then is going to slaughter the Jews?
When Jesus returns He destroys Antichrist and the armies that
come up with him against Israel, this is written in all the
prophets, And Israel "shall look upon Him who they have pierced
and mourn for Him as for a firstborn son" God [Zechariah 14
clearly says] will pour a spirit of supplication upon them and
they will seek Him in prayer ALL Israel will seek Him, every
single Jewish family, the women and the men seperate. .
The whole nation will be converted at the time of the Rapture.
And Jesus begins His reign ... there IS no tribulation after the
Rapture. There is the wrath of God poured out upon the
unbelieving nations. ... though many will repent.
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Re: What I really believe about MAD
By: guest8 Date: May 6, 2020, 11:09 am
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[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=454.msg12684#msg12684
date=1588754199]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=454.msg6022#msg6022
date=1559270479]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=454.msg5770#msg5770
date=1558393091]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=454.msg5712#msg5712
date=1558213855]
[quote author=Billy Evmur link=topic=454.msg5709#msg5709
date=1558212967]
I thought when I first read MAD that it was a cult and I used to
fight it vigourously. With much discourse I came to see that
they were saved and actually held many precious truths that I
have always held so I lightened up.
It's good to admit you have been wrong, I hope if I am shown in
scripture something I will always be ready to accept scripture.
Never-the-less [you knew there would be a never-the-less]
I have a disagreement which on the face of it seems like a mere
hairline difference but actually is a chasm.
It is in the matter of where they divide the scripture
concerning the Jews
I am so glad that they DO believe in the future rise of the
Jews, it is dear to my heart. But they draw the line at the
Church Jews, Pete, Jimmy and Johnners. They's church you see,
the Body of Christ.
The promises of the OT prophecies are not made to them but to
Israel, that is ethnic Israel, the nation of Jews who are the
seed of Abe.
I do not accept that the gospel to the Jews is or has ever been
different than the gospel to us Gentiles. Jesus did not preach
Moses, He preached grace. It took an awful long time for it to
sink in but following the ruckus at Antioch they were made to
acknowledge that the Gentiles were saved as good as the Jews
through faith and not as a reward for obedience.
There are not two gospels but there are two peoples NOT the Jews
and the Gentiles but the church Jew/Gentiles and the nation of
Israel. It is to Israel that the land promises are made not to
the Jewish church.
[/quote]I'm of the belief that NOW there is one gospel 1
Corinthians 12:13-14 KJV but before Paul there were more than
one. Remember "gospel" is simply good news. There's more than
one piece of good news in the Bible. Israel is on hold because
of more unbelief.
[/quote]
There has [as I see it] only been one gospel ever but the
Jerusalem crowd just couldn't get their heads around it …
God kept showing them and telling them.
It took Paul to come along to reveal it.
For example and it is but one of any number
Jesus states clears as any scripture anywhere in the bible "If
any man hear My voice and believe on Him who sent Me he shall be
saved and I will raise him up at the last day"
That is pure grace gospel, it is the gospel Paul preached.
Antioch brought the issue to a head and the Jerusalem crowd were
made to see they had not fully grasped the purity of the grace
gospel.
The teaching that MAD has that the Jewish salvation is not for
this present time is a shocker.
[/quote]
I read this and I got to question?
What happened to the 3,000 Jews who were saved and received the
Holy Spirit in Acts 2 or the other 5,000 Jews who were
subsequently saved and received the Holy Spirit just prior to
Cornelius's (the first Gentile)Salvation?
The Law of Moses was the GOSPEL (OT) until John the Baptist.
Then the Gospel of the Kingdom (OT) was preached until Jesus'
death and Resurrection. After that, the Gospel of Jesus Christ
(the Church)(NT) has been preached until the Church (Body/Bride)
of Christ is removed just prior to Daniel's 70th week. After
this, the Everlasting Gospel will be preached by the 144,000,
the two witnesses and the angels on high. This will be the
Gospel for the Millennium.
Yes, God has a special Plan for Israel and for those that have
not converted to Christianity during the "Period of Grace" we
have today. After the removal of the Church, the Israelis will
be put through a test of fire and brimstone which will include
the whole world. Until the AoD event happens, many Jews will die
in the Name of Jesus Christ and will become Tribulation Saints.
Those who are living in and around Jerusalem, those who see the
AoD take place (CNN), will flees to Petra in the mountains south
(Jordan) for protections by the Lord our GOD. These living Jews
will become the remnant (1/3) of all Israel. All other Jews will
die (some in the Name of Jesus Christ thus becoming tribulation
saints) and the others 2/3 of Israel will die and be taken to
HELL.
The New Covenant will install into every living Jew at Petra,
the laws of God into their heart and they will sin no more. They
will rule Israel and Jerusalem with Jesus during the next 1000
years.
The other gentile nations that survived Daniel's 70th week, will
be judged at the Sheep and Goat Judgement. Those nation's, who
helped/befriended Israel will see their citizens live at least
100 years into the millennium. They will be known as the Sheep.
The Goats will be the Nations who did not befriend Israel. Their
citizens will be thrown into HELL.
Just prior to the Millennium beginnings, the earth will receive
a new face lift. All cities will are said to be flattened.
Also, all mountains will be flattened out as the highest place
on earth will be that of Jerusalem and the Temple. Here Jesus
will reign for 1,000 years
This 1,000 years will be a time of peace, tranquility as every
weapon will be turned into plow shares. The wolf will lie down
with the Lamb. A reset of the original atmospheric conditions
will most likely happen. Everything, humans, animals, birds etc.
will become Vegan.
Once per year, a pilgrimage to the Holy Land will take place.
This scripture tells me the earth (continents) will have been
reverted back to their original places prior to Peleg's birth
(Gen 10:25). This pilgrimage to Jerusalem will be mandatory for
everyone.
The Gentiles that live in the Millennium will have 100 years to
decide to accept Jesus Christ as the savior or NOT!. To decide
to accept Jesus as their savior, they will continue to live in
the millennium. There is no mention of translated Saints coming
from the Millennium.
Those who do not accept Jesus as their savior at their 100th
year date, will be thrown into HELL to await the Great White
Throne Judgement at the end of the Millennium.
During the Millennium, Jesus will rule with an Iron Fist. There
will be judgement quickly and decisively. I believe here, those
judged will also go to HELL.
The Tribulation Saints will serve the Lord Jesus Night and Day
most likely within the 50x50 mile Temple built just north of
Jerusalem.
The Bride (church/Body) of Jesus Christ will become Kings and
Priest and most likely will have some duties with Gentile
Nations under the reign of Jesus for 1,000 years.
At the end of the 1,000 Years, Satan will be released from the
Bottomless Pit and will incite another Gog/Magog insurrection.
When the forces surround Jerusalem, Jesus will bring down fire
on all of them and immediately send them to HELL.
Once this is completed, The Great White Throne Judgement will
most likely commence. The second resurrection will pair all the
souls that are awaiting in HELL to their bodies asleep on/in the
earth/seas, etc.
After the White Throne Judgement and all those found guilty are
thrown into the eternal "Lake of Fire", It is my conjecture
that God will remove ALL on earth to the third Heaven as the
Earth itself is will be destroyed by fire and rebuilt without
oceans or seas.
After it is rebuilt, a New Jerusalem will come down from heaven.
It is my suspicion that the New Jerusalem will take the place of
the
50x50 mile temple used by Jesus during the Millennium. It is
also assumed the New Jerusalem never lands on earth as we are
never told that it does.
There is no mention of Saints coming out of the Millennium. Do
the people (in the flesh) that lived through the Millennium,
populate the New Earth. Since the New Jerusalem contains the
Tree of Life where all the people will eat from it and live
forever it is assumed that the lifestyle of the Millennium will
be continued on the New Earth for an eternity.
Blade
[/quote]
Where you make your glaring [to me] error is that you say Jews
are to be slaughtered in the tribulation after the church is
removed you say until the abomination of desolation not
understanding that Antichrist sitting in the temple declaring
that he himself is God [with the agreement and adoration of the
nations] IS that abomination. He is slain instantly in the
temple.
Who then is going to slaughter the Jews?
When Jesus returns He destroys Antichrist and the armies that
come up with him against Israel, this is written in all the
prophets, And Israel "shall look upon Him who they have pierced
and mourn for Him as for a firstborn son" God [Zechariah 14
clearly says] will pour a spirit of supplication upon them and
they will seek Him in prayer ALL Israel will seek Him, every
single Jewish family, the women and the men seperate. .
The whole nation will be converted at the time of the Rapture.
And Jesus begins His reign ... there IS no tribulation after the
Rapture. There is the wrath of God poured out upon the
unbelieving nations. ... though many will repent.
[/quote]
you said:"Antichrist sitting in the temple declaring that he
himself is God [with the agreement and adoration of the nations]
IS that abomination. He is slain instantly in the temple."
Your view of events are way off. The anti-christ (man of sin) at
some point just prior to the AoD receives a wound to the head
and left eye. It appears He is dead (unknown) for He suddenly
arises and becomes the beast....(Satan has taken over His Body)
and becomes the Son of Perdition. This is what Daniel 9:27 was
speaking of..
How, can you read what you do and still believe in Jesus...You
believe in nothing He said.....or it appears that way.
Blade
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Re: What I really believe about MAD
By: Billy Evmur Date: May 7, 2020, 5:34 am
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oh dear ... this is awful Blade
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