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DIR Return to: Biblical Pre-Conception Existence Theology (PCE)
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#Post#: 32524--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pre-Conception Existence - an intro
DIR By: guest58
Date: June 29, 2021, 10:46 am
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Yep - the full 2 shot.
#Post#: 32525--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pre-Conception Existence - an intro
DIR By: guest58
Date: June 29, 2021, 10:59 am
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--- Quote from: La Shonda link ---
>
> [quote author=Mr E link=topic=442.msg32511#msg32511
date=1624923503]
> [quote author=La Shonda link=topic=442.msg32509#msg32509
date=1624923104]
> I edited the post hopefully it's fixed...
>
--- End Quote ---
La Shonda-- you are amazing! Whiz kid!
... how?
[/quote]I was deleting the coded bracelets ][ that's how I took
the stuff out each place where it had those at with the size and
font and colorThat's how I deleted those on there..
[/quote]
They will just reappear on my next post - I've been doing this
for months and quit because no one was paying attention, :)
#Post#: 32527--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pre-Conception Existence - an intro
DIR By: guest125
Date: June 29, 2021, 11:08 am
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--- Quote from: Ted T. link ---
>
> [quote author=La Shonda link=topic=442.msg32519#msg32519
date=1624941158]
> [quote author=Mr E link=topic=442.msg32511#msg32511
date=1624923503]
> [quote author=La Shonda link=topic=442.msg32509#msg32509
date=1624923104]
> I edited the post hopefully it's fixed...
>
--- End Quote ---
La Shonda-- you are amazing! Whiz kid!
... how?
[/quote]I was deleting the coded bracelets ][ that's how I took
the stuff out each place where it had those at with the size and
font and colorThat's how I deleted those on there..
[/quote]
They will just reappear on my next post - I've been doing this
for months and quit because no one was paying attention, :)
[/quote]
Perhaps, but now- thanks to Shonda, we know how to fix it.
#Post#: 32532--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pre-Conception Existence - an intro
DIR By: guest58
Date: June 29, 2021, 11:30 am
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--- Quote from: Mr E link ---
>
> Hi Ted-- I'd like to hear more from you on your view of 'the
genesis' of our fall into sin, and the fall of the bride in
particular.
>
> This is a very PCE discussion to have. I wonder how far back
you are looking?
--- End Quote ---
In this section the editor was not used for any modification of
any text...
I start before the creation of anything...with the purpose for
our creation as an act of love.
My two basic premises are 1. sin is accrued by the created
person ONLY by a free will decision to reject YHWH as GOD or,
while accepting HIS claims to be our GOD, to rebel against a
command HE gave us.
2. The election of some and not others to salvation from any
future sin CANNOT HAVE BEEN unconditional because no matter how
it is sussed, unconditional election means also unconditional
reprobation and damnation and that is not loving. PERIOD.
I also find that the reason for our election or reprobation
before the foundation of the world must have two corollaries:
1. we were actually alive, ie, in existence, and deciding by
our free will what we wanted our relationship with YHWH to be
and 2. this decisionabout our future relationship was by faith
ie, an unproven hope, which is the source, start, of all saving
faith.
#Post#: 32533--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pre-Conception Existence - an intro
DIR By: guest58
Date: June 29, 2021, 11:31 am
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--- Quote from: Mr E link ---
>
>
> Hi Ted-- I'd like to hear more from you on your view of 'the
genesis' of our fall into sin, and the fall of the bride in
particular.
>
> This is a very PCE discussion to have. I wonder how far back
you are looking?
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: Mr E link ---
> [/size]Hi Ted-- I'd like to hear more from you on your view of
'the genesis' of our fall into sin, and the fall of the bride in
particular.This is a very PCE discussion to have. I wonder how
far back you are looking?
--- End Quote ---
In this post the editor was not used for any modification of
any text but I pasted it into my mail program and ran it thru
the ordinary text profile...I start before the creation of
anything...with the purpose for our creation as an act of
love.My two basic premises are 1. sin is accrued by the created
person ONLY by a free will decision to reject YHWH as GOD or,
while accepting HIS claims to be our GOD, to rebel against a
command HE gave us.2. The election of some and not others to
salvation from any future sin CANNOT HAVE BEEN unconditional
because no matter how it is sussed, unconditional election means
also unconditional reprobation and damnation and that is not
loving. PERIOD.I also find that the reason for our election or
reprobation before the foundation of the world must have two
corollaries: 1. we were actually alive, ie, in existence, and
deciding by our free will what we wanted our relationship with
YHWH to be and 2. this decision about our future relationship
was by faith ie, an unproven hope, which is the source, start,
of all saving faith.
#Post#: 32534--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pre-Conception Existence - an intro
DIR By: guest58
Date: June 29, 2021, 11:34 am
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--- Quote from: Mr E link ---
>
> Hi Ted-- I'd like to hear more from you on your view of 'the
genesis' of our fall into sin, and the fall of the bride in
particular.
>
> This is a very PCE discussion to have. I wonder how far back
you are looking?
>
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote from: Mr E link ---
> [/size]Hi Ted-- I'd like to hear more from you on your view of
'the genesis' of our fall into sin, and the fall of the bride in
particular.This is a very PCE discussion to have. I wonder how
far back you are looking?
--- End Quote ---
In this section the editor was not used for any modification of
any text but I pasted it into my mAil program and ran it thru
the RICH TEXT profile...I start before the creation of
anything...with the purpose for our creation as an act of
love.My two basic premises are 1. sin is accrued by the created
person ONLY by a free will decision to reject YHWH as GOD or,
while accepting HIS claims to be our GOD, to rebel against a
command HE gave us.2. The election of some and not others to
salvation from any future sin CANNOT HAVE BEEN unconditional
because no matter how it is sussed, unconditional election means
also unconditional reprobation and damnation and that is not
loving. PERIOD.I also find that the reason for our election or
reprobation before the foundation of the world must have two
corollaries: 1. we were actually alive, ie, in existence, and
deciding by our free will what we wanted our relationship with
YHWH to be and 2. this decision about our future relationship
was by faith ie, an unproven hope, which is the source, start,
of all saving faith.
#Post#: 32535--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pre-Conception Existence - an intro
DIR By: guest58
Date: June 29, 2021, 11:41 am
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It looks like creating my answers in my email program then
pasting here is going to be a good work-around though the
problem still exists..
Mr. E, the description of my thoughts on our fall after our
election but before the creation of the physical universe is
forth coming.
Edited to add: I DID NOT make the change size in paragraph 2,
sigh.
#Post#: 32540--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pre-Conception Existence - an intro
DIR By: guest125
Date: June 29, 2021, 12:19 pm
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Very.... umm.... Calvinist.
Do you have a Christian Reformed background for your beliefs? I
ask because they are the most likely to get hung up on
"election."
#Post#: 32545--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pre-Conception Existence - an intro
DIR By: guest125
Date: June 29, 2021, 1:04 pm
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Does this sum up your view then, regarding those Calvinist
beliefs? This is how Arminians countered the Calvinist idea of
unconditional election (predestination) with something that
could be called "conditional election."
That God, by an eternal, unchangeable purpose in Jesus Christ
His Son, before the foundation of the world, hath determined,
out of a fallen, sinful race of men, to save in Christ, for
Christ's sake, and through Christ, those who, through the grace
of the Holy Spirit, shall believe on this his Son Jesus, and
shall persevere in this faith and obedience of faith, through
this grace, even to the end; and, on the other hand, to leave
the incorrigible and unbelieving in sin and under wrath, and to
condemn them as alienate from Christ, according to the word of
the gospel in John 3:36: "He that believeth on the Son hath
everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not
see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him," and according to
other passages of Scripture also.
#Post#: 32553--------------------------------------------------
Re: Pre-Conception Existence - an intro
DIR By: guest58
Date: June 29, 2021, 5:26 pm
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--- Quote from: Mr E link ---
>
> Very.... umm.... Calvinist.
>
> Do you have a Christian Reformed background for your beliefs?
I ask because they are the most likely to get hung up on
"election."
>
--- End Quote ---
My goodness, what have you gone thru that the mere mention of
the word election triggers such a knee jerk response???
I have no Calvinist background. I deplore the obvious
inadequacies of Calvinist theology that led him into such
blasphemous doctrines as UNconditional election.
If you should ever get out of your memories and relook at
Calvinism again, you will quit equating me with them...you do
yourself no favours with such a blatant disregard for my true
pov.
Election is a fact. it has meaning. It affects our life.
Calvin botched it royally. I've spent 12 years dening Calvisit
election publically.
Others botched it too but at least they don't always delve into
blasphemy.
Dealing with your ad hominem disparagements is tiring...sigh.
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