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#Post#: 1583--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rightly Dividing the Bible or Dispensations
By: guest8 Date: October 12, 2018, 9:08 pm
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[quote author=bernardpyron link=topic=44.msg1573#msg1573
date=1539299311]
Dispensation in the King James Version is translated from
οικονομιαν.
oikonomion.
HTML https://biblehub.com/greek/3622.htm
"3622. oikonomia, stewardship, administration
Usage: management of household affairs, stewardship,
administration."
Look in the William Tyndale New Testament, for the four uses of
oikonoma, The Tyndale New Testament was the first English
translation from the Textus Receptus, whose verse wordings had a
great influence upon the wordings of the Geneva Bible and the
King James Version.
HTML https://www.biblestudytools.com/tyn/1-corinthians/9.html
I Corinthians 9: 17: "If I do it with a good will I have a
rewarde. But yf I do it agaynst my will an office is committed
vnto me." "Office" is the key word
Ephesians 1: 10: "to have it declared when the tyme were full
come yt all thynges bothe ye thynges which are in heven and also
the thynges which are in erthe shuld be gaddered togedder even
in Christ:"
The Textus Receptus Greek says "for the oikonomian of the
fullness of time to head up all things is Christ."
Ephesians 3: 2: " Yf ye have hearde of the ministracion
(ministration) of the grace of god which is geven me to you
warde."
Colossians 1: 25 "wher of I am made a minister acordynge to the
ordinaunce of god which ordinaunce was geven me vnto you warde
to fulfill ye worde of god."
"ordinaunce" is the key word.
The question is whether it can be determined where the King
James Translators got their "dispensationalist" translation of
oikonomian. One possibility is the John Wycliff English
translation of the Latin Vulgate.
HTML http://www.bibledbdata.org/onlinebibles/wycliffe_nt/
I Corinthians 9: 17 "But if Y do this thing wilfuli, Y haue
mede; but if ayens my wille, dispending is bitakun to me."
Ephesians 1: 10 "hym in the dispensacioun of plente of tymes to
enstore alle thingis in Crist, whiche ben in heuenes, and whiche
ben in erthe, in hym."
Ephesians 3: 2 " if netheles ye han herd the dispensacioun of
Goddis grace, that is youun to me in you."
Colossians 1: 25 " Of which Y Poul am maad mynystre bi the
dispensacioun of God, that is youun to me in you"
Now lets look at these same New Testament scriptures in the
Geneva Bible.,
HTML http://www.genevabible.org/files/Geneva_Bible/New_Testament/1Corinthians_F.pdf
I Corinthians 9: 17 " For if I do it willingly, I have a
reward, but if I do it against my will, notwithstanding
the dispensation is committed unto me. "
Ephesians 1: 10: " That in the dispensation of the fullness of
the times, he might
gather together in one all things, both which are in heaven,
and which are in earth,
even in Christ."
Ephesians 3: 2 " If ye have heard of the dispensation of the
grace of God, which is given me
toward you."
Colossians1: 25: " Whereof I am a minister, according to the
dispensation of God, which is
given me towards you, to fulfill the word of God, "
The translation of oikonomia as dispensation first appeared in
the Geneva Bible, and the King James Version followed that
translation. But the John 1382 Wycliff English translation of
Catholic Latin Bible of Jerome translated oikonomia as
dispensation, in an older English version of the spelling, which
is likely the source of that translation of oikonomia in the
Geneva Bible.
It may have been the successor of John Calvin, Theodore Beza,
who was responsible for changing the Tyndale translation of
oikonomia to the older Catholic version of dispensation. Beza
did some translations which had an influence upon the Committee
which produced the Geneva Bible.
I Corinthians 9: 17
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left] The KJV translated in the early 17th century
had access to the Masoretic Text, The Latin Vulgate, the
Septuagint, the Textus Receptus, around 5,000 New Testament
texts and of course the Tyndale Bible.
During the 19th century, the Alexandrian Codices were argued to
be not only the oldest but most preferred. This is most likely
where the change in "oikonomia" came from.
Blade
[/shadow]
#Post#: 1590--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rightly Dividing the Bible or Dispensations
By: bernardpyron Date: October 13, 2018, 11:23 am
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"During the 19th century, the Alexandrian Codices were argued to
be not only the oldest but most preferred. This is most likely
where the change in "oikonomia" came from."
Look at I Corinthians 9: 17
Textus Receptus: ει γαρ
εκων τουτο
πρασσω
μισθον εχω
ει δε ακων
οικονομιαν
πεπιστευμα_
3;
Westcott-Hort: ει γαρ
εκων τουτο
πρασσω
μισθον εχω
ει δε ακων
οικονομιαν
πεπιστευμα_
3;
Colossians 1: 25 Textus Receptus: ης
εγενομην
εγω
διακονος
κατα την
οικονομιαν
του θεου την
δοθεισαν
μοι εις υμας
πληρωσαι
τον λογον
του θεου
Colossians 1: 25: Westcott-Hort: ης
εγενομην
εγω
διακονος
κατα την
οικονομιαν
του θεου την
δοθεισαν
μοι εις υμας
πληρωσαι
τον λογον
του θεου
I doubt if there are any differences in the Greek between the
Textus Receptus and the Westcott-Hort text for Ephesians 1: 10
and Ephesians 3: 2.
The change from the Tyndale translation of
οικονομιαν is
in the translation of the Textus Receptus by the Geneva Bible
Committee.
John Wyclife translated the first Bible into English in 1382,
not from the original languages, but from the Latin. Wyclife
translated the Latin word ecclesiam into chirche (in old English
spelling):
But then William Tyndale in his 1526 New Testament translated
ekklesia as congregation, except for Acts 14: 13 and Acts 19: 37
where he used churche, meaning a pagan place of worship. Tyndale
broke with Catholic tradition and used congregation for ekklesia
something which might have contributed to his being strangled at
the stake by the Catholics.
And after the death of John Calvin, Theodore Beza in 1556
returned to the use of church to translate ekklesia - and the
Geneva Bible followed him, using church instead of congregation.
Beza returned to the Catholic Capital C Church translation of
ekklesia as chirche.
Did a similar change from Tyndale's translations of
οικονομιαν to
the Geneva Bible's translation as dispensation, again going back
to the older Catholic translation?
#Post#: 1769--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rightly Dividing the Bible or Dispensations
By: guest8 Date: October 22, 2018, 7:41 pm
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[quote author=bernardpyron link=topic=44.msg1590#msg1590
date=1539447817]
"During the 19th century, the Alexandrian Codices were argued to
be not only the oldest but most preferred. This is most likely
where the change in "oikonomia" came from."
Look at I Corinthians 9: 17
Textus Receptus: ει γαρ
εκων τουτο
πρασσω
μισθον εχω
ει δε ακων
οικονομιαν
πεπιστευμα_
3;
Westcott-Hort: ει γαρ
εκων τουτο
πρασσω
μισθον εχω
ει δε ακων
οικονομιαν
πεπιστευμα_
3;
Colossians 1: 25 Textus Receptus: ης
εγενομην
εγω
διακονος
κατα την
οικονομιαν
του θεου την
δοθεισαν
μοι εις υμας
πληρωσαι
τον λογον
του θεου
Colossians 1: 25: Westcott-Hort: ης
εγενομην
εγω
διακονος
κατα την
οικονομιαν
του θεου την
δοθεισαν
μοι εις υμας
πληρωσαι
τον λογον
του θεου
I doubt if there are any differences in the Greek between the
Textus Receptus and the Westcott-Hort text for Ephesians 1: 10
and Ephesians 3: 2.
The change from the Tyndale translation of
οικονομιαν is
in the translation of the Textus Receptus by the Geneva Bible
Committee.
John Wyclife translated the first Bible into English in 1382,
not from the original languages, but from the Latin. Wyclife
translated the Latin word ecclesiam into chirche (in old English
spelling):
But then William Tyndale in his 1526 New Testament translated
ekklesia as congregation, except for Acts 14: 13 and Acts 19: 37
where he used churche, meaning a pagan place of worship. Tyndale
broke with Catholic tradition and used congregation for ekklesia
something which might have contributed to his being strangled at
the stake by the Catholics.
And after the death of John Calvin, Theodore Beza in 1556
returned to the use of church to translate ekklesia - and the
Geneva Bible followed him, using church instead of congregation.
Beza returned to the Catholic Capital C Church translation of
ekklesia as chirche.
Did a similar change from Tyndale's translations of
οικονομιαν to
the Geneva Bible's translation as dispensation, again going back
to the older Catholic translation?
[/quote]
Ah, yes the Alexander Codices are the most perferred. Only one
Book that I know of uses the Leningrad Codecies and that was the
KJV...There is a reason, the Alexander Codices are missing or
have many extra verses. Rem. This was the Home of the Gnostics.
Westcott-Hort are famous for leaving out and adding to the
wording of the Bible... They are the ones who took out Mark
16-9-20. Very important verses that can be proven they are to be
in the Bible. Yet, most Bibles (if they have Mark 16:9-20
printed) will have a note on the sideline telling the reader
that these were added. Yet they were original.
Blade
#Post#: 3121--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rightly Dividing the Bible or Dispensations
By: ac28 Date: January 10, 2019, 8:09 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=44.msg1260#msg1260
date=1538309010]
27 minutes
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOqKNBLJdi8
It was a very pleasant surprise to see this video. Thanks,
Patrick.
The preacher in the video is EC Moore. He was Acts13. He had a
circuit in the 80's, where he traveled mainly in the
Mobile/Pensacola area and gave weekly Bible studies. My son, who
was about 20 at the time, traveled with him, for about a year,
as mainly a gofer and occasional preacher. Before that, my son
was attending Ruckman's Baptist college, but was told to leave
when Ruckman discovered he was leaning towards mid-Acts.
At the time, my son and I were switching from Ruckman Baptist to
mid-Acts and EC was a Godsend. Although I was Ac13 for only a
year, or so, I still consider EC the best preacher I've ever
heard. No matter what his topic, he always preached the Cross.
There are 100s of his videos available, mainly on youtube. I
probably averaged 2 of his Bible study tapes each day during
that year I was Ac13. EC was my #1 mentor. I could easily pick
his distinctive voice out of any crowd today. I prefer his
audios, though, since I seem to detect a little
self-consciousness in his videos.
I've always trusted my son's spiritual judgment and have
basically followed him in the various interpretation systems he
has gone through - I still do, although I'm slowly catching up
with him. When he was a kid, I taught him how to be smart. When
he grew up, he taught me what to be smart about. We next became
Ac28 dispensationalists through the tutelage of Arthur Watkins,
another Pensacola area preacher. That was 30 years ago and I
haven't looked back.
From what I've seen, the Pensacola area is, perhaps, the
greatest hotbed of mid-Acts and Ac28 dispensationalism in the
country.
#Post#: 3187--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rightly Dividing the Bible or Dispensations
By: ac28 Date: January 14, 2019, 11:00 am
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I've seen lists with as many as 16-18 different dispensations.
Most people pick 7 because 7 is the number of completion. I see
3, through the present dispensation. More in the future for
Israel, starting about 2064.
(1) Anarchy, Giant rule, flood - Gen 1 through Gen 11 - 2000
years
(2) ALL-Israel, NO Gentiles - Gen 12 through Acts 28 - 2000
years
(3) ALL-Gentiles, NO Israel - Eph 1 through 2Tim - 64AD to 2064
- 2000 years
#Post#: 3188--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rightly Dividing the Bible or Dispensations
By: guest8 Date: January 14, 2019, 2:17 pm
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[quote author=ac28 link=topic=44.msg3187#msg3187
date=1547485246]
I've seen lists with as many as 16-18 different dispensations.
Most people pick 7 because 7 is the number of completion. I see
3, through the present dispensation. More in the future for
Israel, starting about 2064.
(1) Anarchy, Giant rule, flood - Gen 1 through Gen 11 - 2000
years
(2) ALL-Israel, NO Gentiles - Gen 12 through Acts 28 - 2000
years
(3) ALL-Gentiles, NO Israel - Eph 1 through 2Tim - 64AD to 2064
- 2000 years
[/quote]
ac28...#1 is a personal view of the dispensation periods.
However,
#2.... "NO GENTILES".....Gentiles have been involved from Day 6.
Adam and Eve were Gentiles. Ruth a Moabite Priestess who
married Boez and became the ancestry of Jesus Christ. (yes,
Another Gentile).
The biggest problem I see, is that you left out the crucifixion
of Jesus in favor of Acts 28. I know your a Mid-Acts person but
this is ridiculous. The Period of Grace started when Jesus
Christ Died on that Cross and washed away all the sins of the
world for those who would believe in HIM. He spoke of this
period (Kingdom of GOD) in early days of Matthew, Mark and Luke.
Of course, the apostles did not understand it until those early
days of Acts(2:1) when HIS Church was born.
#3. NO ISRAEL?....God disbursed HIS chosen people throughout the
world and partially blinding them so they may not see the truth.
Since that time, He has lead them back from being an obscure
peoples to a Nation in 1948. Did you know that the day after
they declared themselves a sovereign Nation, they were attacked
from three sides in an attempt to completely destroy them. While
they had a small army it was no match for the other three
nations attacking them... Yet, they won quite handily... The
WORK of GOD???; I think so!
For those Jews that have become Christians since that time, It
seems you are forgetting them... What about those 3,000 Jews
that became Christians in Acts 2. Did you forget them as
well????????
It seems you are traveling a dangerous road which leads to
anti-Semitism. We saw this in WWII and the Pulpit gets a part of
the blame for the six million Jews Hitler killed. Yes, All they
had to do was open their mouths and cry out for those poor
Jewish souls. Yet, they were of the same mind 95% of the
Churches throughout the world are in today.
When you are predicting 2064???? can you expand on that
thought... Have not heard of that one before.
We are all in this together. Those who are not a part of HIS
Church (Bride) will suffer the same faith as the Jewish People
who do not find their Messiah in Jesus Christ. They both will
be swimming together in the Lake of Fire.
So Sad!
Blade
#Post#: 3205--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rightly Dividing the Bible or Dispensations
By: ac28 Date: January 15, 2019, 4:36 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=44.msg3188#msg3188
date=1547497048]
[quote author=ac28 link=topic=44.msg3187#msg3187
date=1547485246]
I've seen lists with as many as 16-18 different dispensations.
Most people pick 7 because 7 is the number of completion. I see
3, through the present dispensation. More in the future for
Israel, starting about 2064.
(1) Anarchy, Giant rule, flood - Gen 1 through Gen 11 - 2000
years
(2) ALL-Israel, NO Gentiles - Gen 12 through Acts 28 - 2000
years
(3) ALL-Gentiles, NO Israel - Eph 1 through 2Tim - 64AD to 2064
- 2000 years
[/quote]
ac28...#1 is a personal view of the dispensation periods.
However,
#2.... "NO GENTILES".....Gentiles have been involved from Day 6.
Adam and Eve were Gentiles. Ruth a Moabite Priestess who
married Boez and became the ancestry of Jesus Christ. (yes,
Another Gentile).
The biggest problem I see, is that you left out the crucifixion
of Jesus in favor of Acts 28. I know your a Mid-Acts person but
this is ridiculous. The Period of Grace started when Jesus
Christ Died on that Cross and washed away all the sins of the
world for those who would believe in HIM. He spoke of this
period (Kingdom of GOD) in early days of Matthew, Mark and Luke.
Of course, the apostles did not understand it until those early
days of Acts(2:1) when HIS Church was born.
#3. NO ISRAEL?....God disbursed HIS chosen people throughout the
world and partially blinding them so they may not see the truth.
Since that time, He has lead them back from being an obscure
peoples to a Nation in 1948. Did you know that the day after
they declared themselves a sovereign Nation, they were attacked
from three sides in an attempt to completely destroy them. While
they had a small army it was no match for the other three
nations attacking them... Yet, they won quite handily... The
WORK of GOD???; I think so!
For those Jews that have become Christians since that time, It
seems you are forgetting them... What about those 3,000 Jews
that became Christians in Acts 2. Did you forget them as
well????????
It seems you are traveling a dangerous road which leads to
anti-Semitism. We saw this in WWII and the Pulpit gets a part of
the blame for the six million Jews Hitler killed. Yes, All they
had to do was open their mouths and cry out for those poor
Jewish souls. Yet, they were of the same mind 95% of the
Churches throughout the world are in today.
When you are predicting 2064???? can you expand on that
thought... Have not heard of that one before.
We are all in this together. Those who are not a part of HIS
Church (Bride) will suffer the same faith as the Jewish People
who do not find their Messiah in Jesus Christ. They both will
be swimming together in the Lake of Fire.
So Sad!
Blade
[/quote]
If you knew dispensationalism, you would know I am NOT mid-Acts.
For 30 unwavering years, I have been an Acts 28
dispensationalist, the only group in the world that literally
obeys 2Tim 2:15 and RIGHTLY divides (Correctly Cuts) God's Word.
For 4000 years, God has always treated Israel and Gentiles
differently. Except for Christ, I can think of nothing that God
ever gave or commanded of Israel that He also gave or commanded
of today's Gentiles, The purpose of right division is to cut and
remove everything Israel from our personal doctrine that we
Gentiles have been falsely taught by the denominational church
system belongs to us. Only then will we know our true state and
standing before God and our future, About 80-90% of what the
average denominational preacher teaches is this Israel stuff
that we will never, ever get because none of it was ever given
to the Gentiles. No denominational preacher I have ever heard of
has the foggiest idea about right division.
There is no nation of Israel today in God's eyes. After having
had the blindness curse of Isa 6:9-10 pronounced upon her for
the 5th and last time in the Bible, in Ac 28:25-27, the
Salvation of God (Jesus Christ) was taken from her in vs 28 and
given to the Gentiles. Today, Israel is just another Gentile
nation in God's eyes. In Paul's 7 books written after Ac 28,
there is no mention of Israel being Active today. EVERYTHING in
those books is addressed to Gentiles - Search and See. She is
Lo-ammi, not My people, Hosea 1:9. With no temple, it is
impossible for her to keep the law. Her present state is summed
up in Hosea 3:4. She will be back after 2 days, 2000 years,
about 2064, Hosea 6:2.
From Gen 12 through Acts 28, it was all-Israel, as far as God's
Blessings were concerned. The ONLY way Gentiles could be blessed
unto God was to become a Jew, a proselyte. Except for a mere
handful, like Rahab, the only Gentiles to enjoy ANY blessings
were those believers in Acts, starting with Acts 10. However,
every saved Gentile in Acts was part of Israel, being grafted
into Israel. Every blessing any Gentile had was borrowed from
Israel. The Gentile had absolutely nothing of their own. All in
all, Acts was 100% Israel.
Since Gen 12, God has been calling out Saints to ultimately
occupy the 3 parts of His Universe.
(1) The nation Israel will inherit the New Earth, as in the
Abrahamic promises.
(2) Elite Israel will inherit the New Jerusalem, which is
essentially part of the New Heavens, but attaches to the New
Earth. Note there is a gate in the NJ for each tribe. There are
no Gentile gates. The Jewish occupants of the NJ will make up
the bride.
(3) The present day Gentile church, which is found ONLY in
Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles are the ONLY people in the Bible to
have a Hope of spending eternity in Heavenly Places, Eph 2:6,
Far above the created New Heavens. The place where Christ now
sits at the right hand of God, Eph 1:20.
As a summary
(1) Gen 12 thru Acts 9, 2000 years. 100% Israel, as far as ANY
blessings of God are concerned,
(2) Acts 10 thru Acts 28. Still all-Israel, since all saved
Gentiles were part of Israel's program.
(3) After Acts. 100% Gentiles, since there has been no Israel
since 64AD. Jews today are just Gentiles, in God's eyes. The
only books of the Bible written TO or ABOUT anyone living today
are - Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus and Philemon. The other 59
books are written TO and ABOUT Israel, PERIOD!!. All of the
Bible is written FOR us, FOR our learning, but Paul's 7
post-Acts books are the only books that tell us ANYTHING about
our Hope and Calling, and our Future.
I feel very sad for you.
#Post#: 3207--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rightly Dividing the Bible or Dispensations
By: guest8 Date: January 15, 2019, 10:21 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=ac28 link=topic=44.msg3205#msg3205
date=1547591775]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=44.msg3188#msg3188
date=1547497048]
[quote author=ac28 link=topic=44.msg3187#msg3187
date=1547485246]
I've seen lists with as many as 16-18 different dispensations.
Most people pick 7 because 7 is the number of completion. I see
3, through the present dispensation. More in the future for
Israel, starting about 2064.
(1) Anarchy, Giant rule, flood - Gen 1 through Gen 11 - 2000
years
(2) ALL-Israel, NO Gentiles - Gen 12 through Acts 28 - 2000
years
(3) ALL-Gentiles, NO Israel - Eph 1 through 2Tim - 64AD to 2064
- 2000 years
[/quote]
ac28...#1 is a personal view of the dispensation periods.
However,
#2.... "NO GENTILES".....Gentiles have been involved from Day 6.
Adam and Eve were Gentiles. Ruth a Moabite Priestess who
married Boez and became the ancestry of Jesus Christ. (yes,
Another Gentile).
The biggest problem I see, is that you left out the crucifixion
of Jesus in favor of Acts 28. I know your a Mid-Acts person but
this is ridiculous. The Period of Grace started when Jesus
Christ Died on that Cross and washed away all the sins of the
world for those who would believe in HIM. He spoke of this
period (Kingdom of GOD) in early days of Matthew, Mark and Luke.
Of course, the apostles did not understand it until those early
days of Acts(2:1) when HIS Church was born.
#3. NO ISRAEL?....God disbursed HIS chosen people throughout the
world and partially blinding them so they may not see the truth.
Since that time, He has lead them back from being an obscure
peoples to a Nation in 1948. Did you know that the day after
they declared themselves a sovereign Nation, they were attacked
from three sides in an attempt to completely destroy them. While
they had a small army it was no match for the other three
nations attacking them... Yet, they won quite handily... The
WORK of GOD???; I think so!
For those Jews that have become Christians since that time, It
seems you are forgetting them... What about those 3,000 Jews
that became Christians in Acts 2. Did you forget them as
well????????
It seems you are traveling a dangerous road which leads to
anti-Semitism. We saw this in WWII and the Pulpit gets a part of
the blame for the six million Jews Hitler killed. Yes, All they
had to do was open their mouths and cry out for those poor
Jewish souls. Yet, they were of the same mind 95% of the
Churches throughout the world are in today.
When you are predicting 2064???? can you expand on that
thought... Have not heard of that one before.
We are all in this together. Those who are not a part of HIS
Church (Bride) will suffer the same faith as the Jewish People
who do not find their Messiah in Jesus Christ. They both will
be swimming together in the Lake of Fire.
So Sad!
Blade
[/quote]
If you knew dispensationalism, you would know I am NOT mid-Acts.
For 30 unwavering years, I have been an Acts 28
dispensationalist, the only group in the world that literally
obeys 2Tim 2:15 and RIGHTLY divides (Correctly Cuts) God's Word.
For 4000 years, God has always treated Israel and Gentiles
differently. Except for Christ, I can think of nothing that God
ever gave or commanded of Israel that He also gave or commanded
of today's Gentiles, The purpose of right division is to cut and
remove everything Israel from our personal doctrine that we
Gentiles have been falsely taught by the denominational church
system belongs to us. Only then will we know our true state and
standing before God and our future, About 80-90% of what the
average denominational preacher teaches is this Israel stuff
that we will never, ever get because none of it was ever given
to the Gentiles. No denominational preacher I have ever heard of
has the foggiest idea about right division.
There is no nation of Israel today in God's eyes. After having
had the blindness curse of Isa 6:9-10 pronounced upon her for
the 5th and last time in the Bible, in Ac 28:25-27, the
Salvation of God (Jesus Christ) was taken from her in vs 28 and
given to the Gentiles. Today, Israel is just another Gentile
nation in God's eyes. In Paul's 7 books written after Ac 28,
there is no mention of Israel being Active today. EVERYTHING in
those books is addressed to Gentiles - Search and See. She is
Lo-ammi, not My people, Hosea 1:9. With no temple, it is
impossible for her to keep the law. Her present state is summed
up in Hosea 3:4. She will be back after 2 days, 2000 years,
about 2064, Hosea 6:2.
From Gen 12 through Acts 28, it was all-Israel, as far as God's
Blessings were concerned. The ONLY way Gentiles could be blessed
unto God was to become a Jew, a proselyte. Except for a mere
handful, like Rahab, the only Gentiles to enjoy ANY blessings
were those believers in Acts, starting with Acts 10. However,
every saved Gentile in Acts was part of Israel, being grafted
into Israel. Every blessing any Gentile had was borrowed from
Israel. The Gentile had absolutely nothing of their own. All in
all, Acts was 100% Israel.
Since Gen 12, God has been calling out Saints to ultimately
occupy the 3 parts of His Universe.
(1) The nation Israel will inherit the New Earth, as in the
Abrahamic promises.
(2) Elite Israel will inherit the New Jerusalem, which is
essentially part of the New Heavens, but attaches to the New
Earth. Note there is a gate in the NJ for each tribe. There are
no Gentile gates. The Jewish occupants of the NJ will make up
the bride.
(3) The present day Gentile church, which is found ONLY in
Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles are the ONLY people in the Bible to
have a Hope of spending eternity in Heavenly Places, Eph 2:6,
Far above the created New Heavens. The place where Christ now
sits at the right hand of God, Eph 1:20.
As a summary
(1) Gen 12 thru Acts 9, 2000 years. 100% Israel, as far as ANY
blessings of God are concerned,
(2) Acts 10 thru Acts 28. Still all-Israel, since all saved
Gentiles were part of Israel's program.
(3) After Acts. 100% Gentiles, since there has been no Israel
since 64AD. Jews today are just Gentiles, in God's eyes. The
only books of the Bible written TO or ABOUT anyone living today
are - Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus and Philemon. The other 59
books are written TO and ABOUT Israel, PERIOD!!. All of the
Bible is written FOR us, FOR our learning, but Paul's 7
post-Acts books are the only books that tell us ANYTHING about
our Hope and Calling, and our Future.
I feel very sad for you.
[/quote]
Just about every thing you just said above is WRONG! BUT!!!!
the sentences that bother me the most are: YOU SAID: "I have
been an Acts 28 dispensationalist, the only group in the world
that literally obeys 2Tim 2:15 and RIGHTLY divides (Correctly
Cuts) God's Word."
For anyone to think they have the right to "CORRECTLY CUT" GOD's
WORD is really messed up.
The other sentence: "The purpose of right division is to cut and
remove everything Israel from our personal doctrine that we
Gentiles have been falsely taught by the denominational church
system belongs to us."
Personal DOCTRINEs Oh MY!.............I think you really need
some help but after 30 years , it is apparent you are not going
to change.
So Sad!
Blade
#Post#: 3217--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rightly Dividing the Bible or Dispensations
By: ac28 Date: January 16, 2019, 9:09 am
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=44.msg3207#msg3207
date=1547612465]
[quote author=ac28 link=topic=44.msg3205#msg3205
date=1547591775]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=44.msg3188#msg3188
date=1547497048]
[quote author=ac28 link=topic=44.msg3187#msg3187
date=1547485246]
I've seen lists with as many as 16-18 different dispensations.
Most people pick 7 because 7 is the number of completion. I see
3, through the present dispensation. More in the future for
Israel, starting about 2064.
(1) Anarchy, Giant rule, flood - Gen 1 through Gen 11 - 2000
years
(2) ALL-Israel, NO Gentiles - Gen 12 through Acts 28 - 2000
years
(3) ALL-Gentiles, NO Israel - Eph 1 through 2Tim - 64AD to 2064
- 2000 years
[/quote]
ac28...#1 is a personal view of the dispensation periods.
However,
#2.... "NO GENTILES".....Gentiles have been involved from Day 6.
Adam and Eve were Gentiles. Ruth a Moabite Priestess who
married Boez and became the ancestry of Jesus Christ. (yes,
Another Gentile).
The biggest problem I see, is that you left out the crucifixion
of Jesus in favor of Acts 28. I know your a Mid-Acts person but
this is ridiculous. The Period of Grace started when Jesus
Christ Died on that Cross and washed away all the sins of the
world for those who would believe in HIM. He spoke of this
period (Kingdom of GOD) in early days of Matthew, Mark and Luke.
Of course, the apostles did not understand it until those early
days of Acts(2:1) when HIS Church was born.
#3. NO ISRAEL?....God disbursed HIS chosen people throughout the
world and partially blinding them so they may not see the truth.
Since that time, He has lead them back from being an obscure
peoples to a Nation in 1948. Did you know that the day after
they declared themselves a sovereign Nation, they were attacked
from three sides in an attempt to completely destroy them. While
they had a small army it was no match for the other three
nations attacking them... Yet, they won quite handily... The
WORK of GOD???; I think so!
For those Jews that have become Christians since that time, It
seems you are forgetting them... What about those 3,000 Jews
that became Christians in Acts 2. Did you forget them as
well????????
It seems you are traveling a dangerous road which leads to
anti-Semitism. We saw this in WWII and the Pulpit gets a part of
the blame for the six million Jews Hitler killed. Yes, All they
had to do was open their mouths and cry out for those poor
Jewish souls. Yet, they were of the same mind 95% of the
Churches throughout the world are in today.
When you are predicting 2064???? can you expand on that
thought... Have not heard of that one before.
We are all in this together. Those who are not a part of HIS
Church (Bride) will suffer the same faith as the Jewish People
who do not find their Messiah in Jesus Christ. They both will
be swimming together in the Lake of Fire.
So Sad!
Blade
[/quote]
If you knew dispensationalism, you would know I am NOT mid-Acts.
For 30 unwavering years, I have been an Acts 28
dispensationalist, the only group in the world that literally
obeys 2Tim 2:15 and RIGHTLY divides (Correctly Cuts) God's Word.
For 4000 years, God has always treated Israel and Gentiles
differently. Except for Christ, I can think of nothing that God
ever gave or commanded of Israel that He also gave or commanded
of today's Gentiles, The purpose of right division is to cut and
remove everything Israel from our personal doctrine that we
Gentiles have been falsely taught by the denominational church
system belongs to us. Only then will we know our true state and
standing before God and our future, About 80-90% of what the
average denominational preacher teaches is this Israel stuff
that we will never, ever get because none of it was ever given
to the Gentiles. No denominational preacher I have ever heard of
has the foggiest idea about right division.
There is no nation of Israel today in God's eyes. After having
had the blindness curse of Isa 6:9-10 pronounced upon her for
the 5th and last time in the Bible, in Ac 28:25-27, the
Salvation of God (Jesus Christ) was taken from her in vs 28 and
given to the Gentiles. Today, Israel is just another Gentile
nation in God's eyes. In Paul's 7 books written after Ac 28,
there is no mention of Israel being Active today. EVERYTHING in
those books is addressed to Gentiles - Search and See. She is
Lo-ammi, not My people, Hosea 1:9. With no temple, it is
impossible for her to keep the law. Her present state is summed
up in Hosea 3:4. She will be back after 2 days, 2000 years,
about 2064, Hosea 6:2.
From Gen 12 through Acts 28, it was all-Israel, as far as God's
Blessings were concerned. The ONLY way Gentiles could be blessed
unto God was to become a Jew, a proselyte. Except for a mere
handful, like Rahab, the only Gentiles to enjoy ANY blessings
were those believers in Acts, starting with Acts 10. However,
every saved Gentile in Acts was part of Israel, being grafted
into Israel. Every blessing any Gentile had was borrowed from
Israel. The Gentile had absolutely nothing of their own. All in
all, Acts was 100% Israel.
Since Gen 12, God has been calling out Saints to ultimately
occupy the 3 parts of His Universe.
(1) The nation Israel will inherit the New Earth, as in the
Abrahamic promises.
(2) Elite Israel will inherit the New Jerusalem, which is
essentially part of the New Heavens, but attaches to the New
Earth. Note there is a gate in the NJ for each tribe. There are
no Gentile gates. The Jewish occupants of the NJ will make up
the bride.
(3) The present day Gentile church, which is found ONLY in
Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles are the ONLY people in the Bible to
have a Hope of spending eternity in Heavenly Places, Eph 2:6,
Far above the created New Heavens. The place where Christ now
sits at the right hand of God, Eph 1:20.
As a summary
(1) Gen 12 thru Acts 9, 2000 years. 100% Israel, as far as ANY
blessings of God are concerned,
(2) Acts 10 thru Acts 28. Still all-Israel, since all saved
Gentiles were part of Israel's program.
(3) After Acts. 100% Gentiles, since there has been no Israel
since 64AD. Jews today are just Gentiles, in God's eyes. The
only books of the Bible written TO or ABOUT anyone living today
are - Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus and Philemon. The other 59
books are written TO and ABOUT Israel, PERIOD!!. All of the
Bible is written FOR us, FOR our learning, but Paul's 7
post-Acts books are the only books that tell us ANYTHING about
our Hope and Calling, and our Future.
I feel very sad for you.
[/quote]
Just about every thing you just said above is WRONG! BUT!!!!
the sentences that bother me the most are: YOU SAID: "I have
been an Acts 28 dispensationalist, the only group in the world
that literally obeys 2Tim 2:15 and RIGHTLY divides (Correctly
Cuts) God's Word."
For anyone to think they have the right to "CORRECTLY CUT" GOD's
WORD is really messed up.
The other sentence: "The purpose of right division is to cut and
remove everything Israel from our personal doctrine that we
Gentiles have been falsely taught by the denominational church
system belongs to us."
Personal DOCTRINEs Oh MY!.............I think you really need
some help but after 30 years , it is apparent you are not going
to change.
So Sad!
Blade
[/quote]
Everything I said was scriptural. It's foreign to you because
you don't rightly divide, correctly cut, God's word, and,
therefore, it's impossible for you to be scriptural. Instead of
your goofy insults, why don't you try proving me wrong,
scripturally? From what you've shown so far, you are just
another typical victim of Satan's denominational church
(synagogue) system, composed of preachers who teach unobtainable
Jewish doctrine to unsuspecting Gentile sheep.
Here's a short list of doctrine that was given ONLY to Israel,
but I would be shocked if you don't believe that you can falsely
claim every item on the list as belonging to you. Show me, with
scripture, where any of these things were EVER specifically
given to Gentiles today - NOT the Gentiles in Acts, who were
grafted into Israel, but the totally independent Gentiles today,
as found ONLY in Paul's 7 post-Acts books. At the time each of
these things was given to Israel, they were NOT given to any
Gentile that was not part of Israel. Why do you think we
Gentiles can claim them now? As a whole, Christendom falsely
believes the church is replacing Israel, as does anyone that
believes any of the following apply to the Gentile Church today.
---the Lord's prayer
---the Lord's supper,
---Christ's gospel of the Earthly Kingdom
---the Great Commission
---the churches in the Gospels and Acts (we have a brand new
church in Eph and Col),
---the New Covenant,
---the sermon on the mount,
---all or any part of the Law,
---water baptism,
---the Gifts of the Spirit,
---the idea that we are the seed of Abraham and Abraham is our
Father,
---the New Jerusalem,
---the idea that we Gentiles are now part of Israel, in any way,
whatsoever
---and, of course, Satan's favorite, the Rapture, the lie that
keeps people in Acts and out of the TRUTH
Nothing (except for Christ) in the OT, the Gospels, or the Acts
period was TO or ABOUT any Gentile today. If you can't find it
in Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, or Philemon, it isn't TO or
ABOUT you today. These books are unique in that they are Calling
out Gentiles to be the future occupants of Heavenly Places, Eph
2:6. Far above the starry Heavens, Eph 4:10, where Christ now
sits at God's right hand, Eph 1:20. No one, no Jew, no Gentile,
in the other all-Israel 59 books, EVER had a Hope of spending
eternity in this Highest Heaven.
---Everything Paul taught in his 7 Acts books was based on the
all-Israel OT, Moses and the Prophets, Ac 26:22.
---Everything Paul taught in his 7 post-Acts books was part of a
mystery that had been hid in God since the world began, Eph 3:9,
Col 1:26, until it was revealed to Paul by special revelation
from Christ after Acts ended, Eph 3:3
Therefore, no human knew anything about the content of Eph, Col,
etc., until Eph and Col, etc., were written. There is nothing
about this mystery found anywhere else in scripture. Therefore,
it is impossible to blend any scripture from Paul's last 7 books
with any scripture from the other 59 books. Paul's 7 post-Acts
books are an island unto themselves, with no traffic in or out.
These 7 books are the only books in the Bible TO or ABOUT anyone
living today, including all Jews and all Gentiles.
If you want to argue scripture, I'm game. If you want to
continue your pitiful insults, I don't have time to waste with
you. So far, NOTHING you've said is credible. Check out the
scripture I've given. Remove your Jewish spectacles and study
Eph, Phil, and Col seriously for the first time in your life.
You're a Pure Gentile under Pure Grace, which can only be found
in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles. You have absolutely no part in
anything associated with Israel.
The blessings possible for you in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles
are 1000s of times better than anything EVER given to Israel.
Why stay with the beggarly elements of Israel's blessings? There
are indications that the Heavenly position in Eph is NOT
automatic. In Paul's prayer of Eph 1:17-18, it indicates that
God must give you the eyes of understanding in order for you to
SEE the Hope of your calling found only in Paul's post-Acts
epistles. In other words, if you can't see this Hope of the
Highest Heaven, there is the possibility you won't go to Heaven.
I believe that, if you don't give up all those Jewish beliefs,
God won't allow you to SEE your true Hope of Heaven. That's what
God's command to rightly divide is all about. In 2Tim 2:15, it
says that, if you Correctly Cut God's Word, you will be approved
unto God and will have no need to feel ashamed.
A question. Can you see your Hope in Ephesians, and that it's
different than any other Hope in the Bible? If you can't, you
have a problem.
Since nothing ever given to Israel, except Christ, was EVER
given to today's Gentiles, it only requires one Correct Cut to
separate all things Israel from all things Gentile. There is one
place, and one place only, in scripture, where it is 100% Israel
(59 books) on one side of the cut and 100% Gentiles (7 books) on
the other side of the cut. That is between Acts and Ephesians.
Everything in the 59 books is invaluable for our learning but,
when it comes to things TO and ABOUT us and what is our Hope,
Calling, and Future, only the 7 books written after Acts apply
directly to us.
According to Strong's, the phrase, "rightly dividing" means,
"make a straight cut", "Correctly cut" or "Correctly dissect".
The Satanic modern Bibles, such as the ESV, ASV, NIV, NASB, use
milky, wimpy, incorrect phrases like, "handling aright" or
"correctly handles". These are easily proven to be wrong.
Anything to "dumb down" Christendom.
#Post#: 3223--------------------------------------------------
Re: Rightly Dividing the Bible or Dispensations
By: guest8 Date: January 16, 2019, 7:19 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=ac28 link=topic=44.msg3217#msg3217
date=1547651361]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=44.msg3207#msg3207
date=1547612465]
[quote author=ac28 link=topic=44.msg3205#msg3205
date=1547591775]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=44.msg3188#msg3188
date=1547497048]
[quote author=ac28 link=topic=44.msg3187#msg3187
date=1547485246]
I've seen lists with as many as 16-18 different dispensations.
Most people pick 7 because 7 is the number of completion. I see
3, through the present dispensation. More in the future for
Israel, starting about 2064.
(1) Anarchy, Giant rule, flood - Gen 1 through Gen 11 - 2000
years
(2) ALL-Israel, NO Gentiles - Gen 12 through Acts 28 - 2000
years
(3) ALL-Gentiles, NO Israel - Eph 1 through 2Tim - 64AD to 2064
- 2000 years
[/quote]
ac28...#1 is a personal view of the dispensation periods.
However,
#2.... "NO GENTILES".....Gentiles have been involved from Day 6.
Adam and Eve were Gentiles. Ruth a Moabite Priestess who
married Boez and became the ancestry of Jesus Christ. (yes,
Another Gentile).
The biggest problem I see, is that you left out the crucifixion
of Jesus in favor of Acts 28. I know your a Mid-Acts person but
this is ridiculous. The Period of Grace started when Jesus
Christ Died on that Cross and washed away all the sins of the
world for those who would believe in HIM. He spoke of this
period (Kingdom of GOD) in early days of Matthew, Mark and Luke.
Of course, the apostles did not understand it until those early
days of Acts(2:1) when HIS Church was born.
#3. NO ISRAEL?....God disbursed HIS chosen people throughout the
world and partially blinding them so they may not see the truth.
Since that time, He has lead them back from being an obscure
peoples to a Nation in 1948. Did you know that the day after
they declared themselves a sovereign Nation, they were attacked
from three sides in an attempt to completely destroy them. While
they had a small army it was no match for the other three
nations attacking them... Yet, they won quite handily... The
WORK of GOD???; I think so!
For those Jews that have become Christians since that time, It
seems you are forgetting them... What about those 3,000 Jews
that became Christians in Acts 2. Did you forget them as
well????????
It seems you are traveling a dangerous road which leads to
anti-Semitism. We saw this in WWII and the Pulpit gets a part of
the blame for the six million Jews Hitler killed. Yes, All they
had to do was open their mouths and cry out for those poor
Jewish souls. Yet, they were of the same mind 95% of the
Churches throughout the world are in today.
When you are predicting 2064???? can you expand on that
thought... Have not heard of that one before.
We are all in this together. Those who are not a part of HIS
Church (Bride) will suffer the same faith as the Jewish People
who do not find their Messiah in Jesus Christ. They both will
be swimming together in the Lake of Fire.
So Sad!
Blade
[/quote]
If you knew dispensationalism, you would know I am NOT mid-Acts.
For 30 unwavering years, I have been an Acts 28
dispensationalist, the only group in the world that literally
obeys 2Tim 2:15 and RIGHTLY divides (Correctly Cuts) God's Word.
For 4000 years, God has always treated Israel and Gentiles
differently. Except for Christ, I can think of nothing that God
ever gave or commanded of Israel that He also gave or commanded
of today's Gentiles, The purpose of right division is to cut and
remove everything Israel from our personal doctrine that we
Gentiles have been falsely taught by the denominational church
system belongs to us. Only then will we know our true state and
standing before God and our future, About 80-90% of what the
average denominational preacher teaches is this Israel stuff
that we will never, ever get because none of it was ever given
to the Gentiles. No denominational preacher I have ever heard of
has the foggiest idea about right division.
There is no nation of Israel today in God's eyes. After having
had the blindness curse of Isa 6:9-10 pronounced upon her for
the 5th and last time in the Bible, in Ac 28:25-27, the
Salvation of God (Jesus Christ) was taken from her in vs 28 and
given to the Gentiles. Today, Israel is just another Gentile
nation in God's eyes. In Paul's 7 books written after Ac 28,
there is no mention of Israel being Active today. EVERYTHING in
those books is addressed to Gentiles - Search and See. She is
Lo-ammi, not My people, Hosea 1:9. With no temple, it is
impossible for her to keep the law. Her present state is summed
up in Hosea 3:4. She will be back after 2 days, 2000 years,
about 2064, Hosea 6:2.
From Gen 12 through Acts 28, it was all-Israel, as far as God's
Blessings were concerned. The ONLY way Gentiles could be blessed
unto God was to become a Jew, a proselyte. Except for a mere
handful, like Rahab, the only Gentiles to enjoy ANY blessings
were those believers in Acts, starting with Acts 10. However,
every saved Gentile in Acts was part of Israel, being grafted
into Israel. Every blessing any Gentile had was borrowed from
Israel. The Gentile had absolutely nothing of their own. All in
all, Acts was 100% Israel.
Since Gen 12, God has been calling out Saints to ultimately
occupy the 3 parts of His Universe.
(1) The nation Israel will inherit the New Earth, as in the
Abrahamic promises.
(2) Elite Israel will inherit the New Jerusalem, which is
essentially part of the New Heavens, but attaches to the New
Earth. Note there is a gate in the NJ for each tribe. There are
no Gentile gates. The Jewish occupants of the NJ will make up
the bride.
(3) The present day Gentile church, which is found ONLY in
Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles are the ONLY people in the Bible to
have a Hope of spending eternity in Heavenly Places, Eph 2:6,
Far above the created New Heavens. The place where Christ now
sits at the right hand of God, Eph 1:20.
As a summary
(1) Gen 12 thru Acts 9, 2000 years. 100% Israel, as far as ANY
blessings of God are concerned,
(2) Acts 10 thru Acts 28. Still all-Israel, since all saved
Gentiles were part of Israel's program.
(3) After Acts. 100% Gentiles, since there has been no Israel
since 64AD. Jews today are just Gentiles, in God's eyes. The
only books of the Bible written TO or ABOUT anyone living today
are - Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus and Philemon. The other 59
books are written TO and ABOUT Israel, PERIOD!!. All of the
Bible is written FOR us, FOR our learning, but Paul's 7
post-Acts books are the only books that tell us ANYTHING about
our Hope and Calling, and our Future.
I feel very sad for you.
[/quote]
Just about every thing you just said above is WRONG! BUT!!!!
the sentences that bother me the most are: YOU SAID: "I have
been an Acts 28 dispensationalist, the only group in the world
that literally obeys 2Tim 2:15 and RIGHTLY divides (Correctly
Cuts) God's Word."
For anyone to think they have the right to "CORRECTLY CUT" GOD's
WORD is really messed up.
The other sentence: "The purpose of right division is to cut and
remove everything Israel from our personal doctrine that we
Gentiles have been falsely taught by the denominational church
system belongs to us."
Personal DOCTRINEs Oh MY!.............I think you really need
some help but after 30 years , it is apparent you are not going
to change.
So Sad!
Blade
[/quote]
Everything I said was scriptural. It's foreign to you because
you don't rightly divide, correctly cut, God's word, and,
therefore, it's impossible for you to be scriptural. Instead of
your goofy insults, why don't you try proving me wrong,
scripturally? From what you've shown so far, you are just
another typical victim of Satan's denominational church
(synagogue) system, composed of preachers who teach unobtainable
Jewish doctrine to unsuspecting Gentile sheep.
Here's a short list of doctrine that was given ONLY to Israel,
but I would be shocked if you don't believe that you can falsely
claim every item on the list as belonging to you. Show me, with
scripture, where any of these things were EVER specifically
given to Gentiles today - NOT the Gentiles in Acts, who were
grafted into Israel, but the totally independent Gentiles today,
as found ONLY in Paul's 7 post-Acts books. At the time each of
these things was given to Israel, they were NOT given to any
Gentile that was not part of Israel. Why do you think we
Gentiles can claim them now? As a whole, Christendom falsely
believes the church is replacing Israel, as does anyone that
believes any of the following apply to the Gentile Church today.
---the Lord's prayer
---the Lord's supper,
---Christ's gospel of the Earthly Kingdom
---the Great Commission
---the churches in the Gospels and Acts (we have a brand new
church in Eph and Col),
---the New Covenant,
---the sermon on the mount,
---all or any part of the Law,
---water baptism,
---the Gifts of the Spirit,
---the idea that we are the seed of Abraham and Abraham is our
Father,
---the New Jerusalem,
---the idea that we Gentiles are now part of Israel, in any way,
whatsoever
---and, of course, Satan's favorite, the Rapture, the lie that
keeps people in Acts and out of the TRUTH
Nothing (except for Christ) in the OT, the Gospels, or the Acts
period was TO or ABOUT any Gentile today. If you can't find it
in Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, or Philemon, it isn't TO or
ABOUT you today. These books are unique in that they are Calling
out Gentiles to be the future occupants of Heavenly Places, Eph
2:6. Far above the starry Heavens, Eph 4:10, where Christ now
sits at God's right hand, Eph 1:20. No one, no Jew, no Gentile,
in the other all-Israel 59 books, EVER had a Hope of spending
eternity in this Highest Heaven.
---Everything Paul taught in his 7 Acts books was based on the
all-Israel OT, Moses and the Prophets, Ac 26:22.
---Everything Paul taught in his 7 post-Acts books was part of a
mystery that had been hid in God since the world began, Eph 3:9,
Col 1:26, until it was revealed to Paul by special revelation
from Christ after Acts ended, Eph 3:3
Therefore, no human knew anything about the content of Eph, Col,
etc., until Eph and Col, etc., were written. There is nothing
about this mystery found anywhere else in scripture. Therefore,
it is impossible to blend any scripture from Paul's last 7 books
with any scripture from the other 59 books. Paul's 7 post-Acts
books are an island unto themselves, with no traffic in or out.
These 7 books are the only books in the Bible TO or ABOUT anyone
living today, including all Jews and all Gentiles.
If you want to argue scripture, I'm game. If you want to
continue your pitiful insults, I don't have time to waste with
you. So far, NOTHING you've said is credible. Check out the
scripture I've given. Remove your Jewish spectacles and study
Eph, Phil, and Col seriously for the first time in your life.
You're a Pure Gentile under Pure Grace, which can only be found
in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles. You have absolutely no part in
anything associated with Israel.
The blessings possible for you in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles
are 1000s of times better than anything EVER given to Israel.
Why stay with the beggarly elements of Israel's blessings? There
are indications that the Heavenly position in Eph is NOT
automatic. In Paul's prayer of Eph 1:17-18, it indicates that
God must give you the eyes of understanding in order for you to
SEE the Hope of your calling found only in Paul's post-Acts
epistles. In other words, if you can't see this Hope of the
Highest Heaven, there is the possibility you won't go to Heaven.
I believe that, if you don't give up all those Jewish beliefs,
God won't allow you to SEE your true Hope of Heaven. That's what
God's command to rightly divide is all about. In 2Tim 2:15, it
says that, if you Correctly Cut God's Word, you will be approved
unto God and will have no need to feel ashamed.
A question. Can you see your Hope in Ephesians, and that it's
different than any other Hope in the Bible? If you can't, you
have a problem.
Since nothing ever given to Israel, except Christ, was EVER
given to today's Gentiles, it only requires one Correct Cut to
separate all things Israel from all things Gentile. There is one
place, and one place only, in scripture, where it is 100% Israel
(59 books) on one side of the cut and 100% Gentiles (7 books) on
the other side of the cut. That is between Acts and Ephesians.
Everything in the 59 books is invaluable for our learning but,
when it comes to things TO and ABOUT us and what is our Hope,
Calling, and Future, only the 7 books written after Acts apply
directly to us.
According to Strong's, the phrase, "rightly dividing" means,
"make a straight cut", "Correctly cut" or "Correctly dissect".
The Satanic modern Bibles, such as the ESV, ASV, NIV, NASB, use
milky, wimpy, incorrect phrases like, "handling aright" or
"correctly handles". These are easily proven to be wrong.
Anything to "dumb down" Christendom.
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So far, NOTHING you've said is credible. back at you......It
appears you do not believe in the millennium??
To be certain, One of us is wrong! It is a hard way to find
out., When death comes to us, it will not allow any more
opportunity to change ones mind.
Have a good day
Blade
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