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#Post#: 5145--------------------------------------------------
What Really Happened In Eden
DIR By: guest55
Date: April 23, 2019, 8:13 am
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"but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and
evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”
~Gen 2:17
I spent a few days in an interesting conversation with one of
our agnostics on this forum discussing the philosophy of
nihilism as it relates to us. Basically nihilism is extreme
skepticism maintaining that nothing in the world has a real
existence.
It generally rejects the existence of God and along with
everything else. As it relates to man the basic idea is that our
past has no substance and is only memories and meanings and our
future has no substance only hopes and dreams or despair and
hopelessness. At first I rejected this idea outright but the
more I thought about it the more I began to see what Friedrich
Nietzsche, one of the most famous nihilists was talking about.
BUT, I believe they got it slightly wrong.
I believe what they were observing was a godless world and that
my friends is nonexistence, a temporary vapor, that will pass
away with time. When Adam and Eve rejected God in favor of
believing the serpent they plunged themselves into non
existence.
Apart from me you can do nothing.
I believe that the first nihilist was Solomon in Ecc 1:1 He
states, meaningless, meaningless all is meaningless and proceeds
to paint a pointless non-existing picture of mankind. This is a
terrible state and yet it makes sense. God is existence and all
things connected to Him exist anything apart from him has no
existence, no permanence, they, at best, are a temporary
illusion with an imaginary future and only a memory of a past
tucked onto the folds of their fading grey matter.
Once our race was plunged into non existence it had no way of
knowing God any more than Nietzsche could comprehend an absolute
morality.
Jesus didn’t use nihilistic terms but used the more
understandable terms of life and death. Death is non existence
and life is existence. Only God could reach into non existence
and bear it that we might chose to exist in Him. As Acts17:28
states, For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some
of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’
God has to speak us back into being in Him just as he spoke
mankind into existence in the beginning.
Only in a divine being would this be possible. It could not
happen in just a good man.
Praise God From Whom all blessings flow.
#Post#: 5156--------------------------------------------------
Re: What Really Happened In Eden
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: April 23, 2019, 8:48 pm
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#Post#: 5180--------------------------------------------------
Re: What Really Happened In Eden
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: April 25, 2019, 12:35 pm
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--- Quote from: Grace_Accepted link ---
>
> "but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good
and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely
die.” ~Gen 2:17
>
> I spent a few days in an interesting conversation with one of
our agnostics on this forum discussing the philosophy of
nihilism as it relates to us. Basically nihilism is extreme
skepticism maintaining that nothing in the world has a real
existence.
>
> It generally rejects the existence of God and along with
everything else. As it relates to man the basic idea is that our
past has no substance and is only memories and meanings and our
future has no substance only hopes and dreams or despair and
hopelessness. At first I rejected this idea outright but the
more I thought about it the more I began to see what Friedrich
Nietzsche, one of the most famous nihilists was talking about.
BUT, I believe they got it slightly wrong.
>
> I believe what they were observing was a godless world and
that my friends is nonexistence, a temporary vapor, that will
pass away with time. When Adam and Eve rejected God in favor of
believing the serpent they plunged themselves into non
existence.
>
> Apart from me you can do nothing.
>
> I believe that the first nihilist was Solomon in Ecc 1:1 He
states, meaningless, meaningless all is meaningless and proceeds
to paint a pointless non-existing picture of mankind. This is a
terrible state and yet it makes sense. God is existence and all
things connected to Him exist anything apart from him has no
existence, no permanence, they, at best, are a temporary
illusion with an imaginary future and only a memory of a past
tucked onto the folds of their fading grey matter.
>
> Once our race was plunged into non existence it had no way of
knowing God any more than Nietzsche could comprehend an absolute
morality.
>
> Jesus didn’t use nihilistic terms but used the more
understandable terms of life and death. Death is non existence
and life is existence. Only God could reach into non existence
and bear it that we might chose to exist in Him. As Acts17:28
states, For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some
of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’
>
> God has to speak us back into being in Him just as he spoke
mankind into existence in the beginning.
>
> Only in a divine being would this be possible. It could not
happen in just a good man.
>
> Praise God From Whom all blessings flow.
>
--- End Quote ---
Great post GA, very deep. We have to back to the beginning when
we think of existence and non-existence. We do have a tangible
past preserved in memories and images in our mind. Our past is
real, we were really there and we really experienced this
temporary earthly existence up to and including the present. The
only way our past can not exist is if we forget i.e. lose our
memories. The past, our own pasts dictate our futures. All
future decisions and actions will be based on and the result of
what we know from our past.
You seem to focus a lot on Adam and Eve and rightly so. I like
your main focus that is in Christ, saved and sealed with that
holy Spirit of Promise !!!
Ephesians 1:3-14 KJV -
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath
blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in
Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of
the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him
in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus
Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made
us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness
of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according
to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might
gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in
heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being
predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all
things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first
trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of
truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye
believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption
of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
#Post#: 5188--------------------------------------------------
Re: What Really Happened In Eden
DIR By: guest55
Date: April 25, 2019, 11:29 pm
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It is true that our past is in our memories but what are
memories? Do they exist? you do not exist yet second from now
and you do not exists a second ago. Your memory only exists in
the present. If our present isn't connected to God, even that
is a temporary illusion.
Only in Christ can we exist, that is to live, move and have our
being.
Amen!
#Post#: 5219--------------------------------------------------
Re: What Really Happened In Eden
DIR By: Billy Evmur
Date: April 27, 2019, 7:34 am
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Interesting thread …. we didn't go back to nothing when we
sinned, God created from nothing, but we go back to dust, we
were created from dust. Memories and expectation is of the soul
which were breathed into us
Was man spiritual in the Garden? does "living souls" indicate
spiritual life? I think so. It was our spirit that was slain
that day and which must be born again.
#Post#: 5230--------------------------------------------------
Re: What Really Happened In Eden
DIR By: guest55
Date: April 27, 2019, 10:43 pm
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We did return to nothing and in fact are nothing when we are
outside of Christ. But one must understand the philosophical
nature of nothing as it relates to Nihilism in order to get what
this post is about.
We are not talking about nothing in the general everyday sense
of the word. Just like people call water vapor steam in the
everyday vernacular but in reality steam is not visible. So it
is with the philosophical term nothingness.
If I exist only in the present but have no future existence nor
any past existence then do I exist at all or am I a temporal
vapor?
#Post#: 5268--------------------------------------------------
Re: What Really Happened In Eden
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 29, 2019, 9:01 pm
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--- Quote from: Grace_Accepted link ---
>
> We did return to nothing and in fact are nothing when we are
outside of Christ. But one must understand the philosophical
nature of nothing as it relates to Nihilism in order to get what
this post is about.
>
> We are not talking about nothing in the general everyday sense
of the word. Just like people call water vapor steam in the
everyday vernacular but in reality steam is not visible. So it
is with the philosophical term nothingness.
>
> If I exist only in the present but have no future existence
nor any past existence then do I exist at all or am I a temporal
vapor?
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]I vote for vapor!
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 6293--------------------------------------------------
Re: What Really Happened In Eden
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: June 12, 2019, 4:50 am
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Interesting topic.
#Post#: 6709--------------------------------------------------
Re: What Really Happened In Eden
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: June 29, 2019, 11:19 am
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> Interesting topic.
>
--- End Quote ---
yep
#Post#: 6738--------------------------------------------------
Re: What Really Happened In Eden
DIR By: guest58
Date: June 29, 2019, 2:08 pm
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--- Quote from: Grace_Accepted link ---
> I believe that the first nihilist was Solomon in Ecc 1:1 He
states, meaningless, meaningless all is meaningless and proceeds
to paint a pointless non-existing picture of mankind.
--- End Quote ---
To be nihilist he would have to believe this nihilism, no? But
if he was just presenting the nihilistic pov so he could argue
against it with the truth of GOD he would not be a nihilist at
all, eh?
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