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#Post#: 4985--------------------------------------------------
Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
DIR By: guest55
Date: April 16, 2019, 7:10 am
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It Was The Gardener In The Garden With The Law
Why did God place in Eden a Tree that He then forbade mankind to
eat from it?
At that point in history that single command represented the
entirety of God’s law to men. But what was God up to. If he
didn’t want the tree to be used as a food source, why not leave
it out of the garden altogether?
Was God just trying to assert his control and domination over
humans? Why give man an opportunity to rebel and bring so much
suffering to this planet?
The Big Boss
Many people look at God as just a big boss in the sky. If you do
what he wants, you’ll get a reward and if you don’t do what he
want’s he’ll burn you for eternity.
Love doesn’t play into it much. How can you love someone who in
essence says, love me or die, obey me or be tortured?
Freedom in The Tree
It would appear that the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil
was an integral part of creation specifically created for the
purpose of allowing people to exercise their free will.
If there were no opportunities to ignore God’s law, man would
not have a free will.
The tree was not so much about obeying or disobeying as it was
about trust and faith in the goodness of God.
The inevitable resulting death was not a punishment for
disobeying God, nor was it a coercion to be God’s law keepers.
It was the inevitable results of stepping out of the life stream
of God.
Just as a plant will die if kept from the sun so to will anyone
kept from the rays of God’s life giving force.
The Recreation
When you create light you also create dark and when you define
hard you also define soft.
Once God endowed his crowning work of creation on this earth
with free will, evil then existed in potential. God knew this
and had a plan. This plan was not an oops-didn’t-see-that-coming
kind of plan but a plan that was part of the original creation.
It involved 1/3 of the triune God substituting for fallen
mankind in order to allow them to remake the bad choice Adam
made in Eden.
This would allow God’s creation to have free will and be sinless
for eternity. Sadly, not everyone will avail themselves of this
opportunity and will remain outside of God’s life stream to
eventually wink out of existence for all eternity.
#Post#: 5010--------------------------------------------------
Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 16, 2019, 9:32 pm
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--- Quote from: Grace_Accepted link ---
>
> It Was The Gardener In The Garden With The Law
>
> Why did God place in Eden a Tree that He then forbade mankind
to eat from it?
>
> At that point in history that single command represented the
entirety of God’s law to men. But what was God up to. If he
didn’t want the tree to be used as a food source, why not leave
it out of the garden altogether?
>
> Was God just trying to assert his control and domination over
humans? Why give man an opportunity to rebel and bring so much
suffering to this planet?
>
> The Big Boss
>
> Many people look at God as just a big boss in the sky. If you
do what he wants, you’ll get a reward and if you don’t do what
he want’s he’ll burn you for eternity.
>
> Love doesn’t play into it much. How can you love someone who
in essence says, love me or die, obey me or be tortured?
>
> Freedom in The Tree
>
> It would appear that the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and
Evil was an integral part of creation specifically created for
the purpose of allowing people to exercise their free will.
>
> If there were no opportunities to ignore God’s law, man would
not have a free will.
>
> The tree was not so much about obeying or disobeying as it was
about trust and faith in the goodness of God.
>
> The inevitable resulting death was not a punishment for
disobeying God, nor was it a coercion to be God’s law keepers.
It was the inevitable results of stepping out of the life stream
of God.
>
> Just as a plant will die if kept from the sun so to will
anyone kept from the rays of God’s life giving force.
>
> The Recreation
>
> When you create light you also create dark and when you define
hard you also define soft.
>
> Once God endowed his crowning work of creation on this earth
with free will, evil then existed in potential. God knew this
and had a plan. This plan was not an oops-didn’t-see-that-coming
kind of plan but a plan that was part of the original creation.
>
> It involved 1/3 of the triune God substituting for fallen
mankind in order to allow them to remake the bad choice Adam
made in Eden.
>
> This would allow God’s creation to have free will and be
sinless for eternity. Sadly, not everyone will avail themselves
of this opportunity and will remain outside of God’s life stream
to eventually wink out of existence for all eternity.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]well said my friend:
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 6286--------------------------------------------------
Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: June 12, 2019, 4:46 am
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I concur guys.
#Post#: 6703--------------------------------------------------
Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: June 29, 2019, 11:16 am
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> I concur guys.
>
--- End Quote ---
Yep.
#Post#: 6740--------------------------------------------------
Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
DIR By: guest58
Date: June 29, 2019, 6:35 pm
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--- Quote from: Grace_Accepted link ---
> It would appear that the Tree of The Knowledge of Good and
Evil was an integral part of creation specifically created for
the purpose of allowing people to exercise their free will.
--- End Quote ---
OR: it was a commandment given, as every commandment is, to
convict a sinner of his sin, Rom 3:20 Therefore no one will be
justified in His sight by works of the law. For the law merely
brings awareness of, the conviction of, sin. and since the law
is only given to lawbreakers , not the righteous (or the
innocent) as per 1 Timothy 1:9 We also know that the law is made
not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels..., it is
clear that Adam and Eve were sinners when they arrived in the
garden and needed their eyes to be opened to that sin, that
nakedness, so as per usual, HE gave them a command they should
have been able to keep but upon the failure to keep it their
eyes were opened to the fact they were naked sinful, and they
repented.
#Post#: 6741--------------------------------------------------
Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
DIR By: guest58
Date: June 29, 2019, 7:05 pm
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--- Quote from: Grace_Accepted link ---
> When you create light you also create dark and when you define
hard you also define soft.
--- End Quote ---
NO WAY A-tall!!! Wow - this too much.
When have you ever lit a source of light and seen dark come
out!?? It is impossible for a source of light to create
darkness! Think - light a match and fill the room with
darkness??? Light destroys darkness!
Dark is created by an object other than the source of light
BLOCKING the light and standing against it! It is the nature of
light to destroy dark so how can it be the cause or creator of
dark?? As soon as it was created it would be destroyed and a
house divided like this cannot stand!
The true source of dark is found in HIS creation who by their
free will chose to become that which stands against and blocks
HIS light, HIS love and righteous justice.
Light might define dark (which I hope is what you were trying to
say) but it does NOT create it by its being light!!!
#Post#: 6744--------------------------------------------------
Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
DIR By: guest8
Date: June 29, 2019, 8:13 pm
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--- Quote from: Ted T. link ---
>
> [quote author=Grace_Accepted link=topic=400.msg4985#msg4985
date=1555416630]When you create light you also create dark and
when you define hard you also define soft.
--- End Quote ---
NO WAY A-tall!!! Wow - this too much.
When have you ever lit a source of light and seen dark come
out!?? It is impossible for a source of light to create
darkness! Think - light a match and fill the room with
darkness??? Light destroys darkness!
Dark is created by an object other than the source of light
BLOCKING the light and standing against it! It is the nature of
light to destroy dark so how can it be the cause or creator of
dark?? As soon as it was created it would be destroyed and a
house divided like this cannot stand!
The true source of dark is found in HIS creation who by their
free will chose to become that which stands against and blocks
HIS light, HIS love and righteous justice.
Light might define dark (which I hope is what you were trying to
say) but it does NOT create it by its being light!!!
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Darkness is the absence of light.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 6807--------------------------------------------------
Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
DIR By: guest55
Date: July 3, 2019, 6:36 pm
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--- Quote from: Ted T. link ---
>
> [quote author=Grace_Accepted link=topic=400.msg4985#msg4985
date=1555416630]When you create light you also create dark and
when you define hard you also define soft.
--- End Quote ---
NO WAY A-tall!!! Wow - this too much.
When have you ever lit a source of light and seen dark come
out!?? It is impossible for a source of light to create
darkness! Think - light a match and fill the room with
darkness??? Light destroys darkness!
Dark is created by an object other than the source of light
BLOCKING the light and standing against it! It is the nature of
light to destroy dark so how can it be the cause or creator of
dark?? As soon as it was created it would be destroyed and a
house divided like this cannot stand!
The true source of dark is found in HIS creation who by their
free will chose to become that which stands against and blocks
HIS light, HIS love and righteous justice.
Light might define dark (which I hope is what you were trying to
say) but it does NOT create it by its being light!!!
[/quote]Without light how would you define darkness?
#Post#: 6811--------------------------------------------------
Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
DIR By: guest8
Date: July 3, 2019, 8:04 pm
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--- Quote from: Grace_Accepted link ---
>
> [quote author=Ted T. link=topic=400.msg6741#msg6741
date=1561853146]
> [quote author=Grace_Accepted link=topic=400.msg4985#msg4985
date=1555416630]When you create light you also create dark and
when you define hard you also define soft.
--- End Quote ---
NO WAY A-tall!!! Wow - this too much.
When have you ever lit a source of light and seen dark come
out!?? It is impossible for a source of light to create
darkness! Think - light a match and fill the room with
darkness??? Light destroys darkness!
Dark is created by an object other than the source of light
BLOCKING the light and standing against it! It is the nature of
light to destroy dark so how can it be the cause or creator of
dark?? As soon as it was created it would be destroyed and a
house divided like this cannot stand!
The true source of dark is found in HIS creation who by their
free will chose to become that which stands against and blocks
HIS light, HIS love and righteous justice.
Light might define dark (which I hope is what you were trying to
say) but it does NOT create it by its being light!!!
[/quote]Without light how would you define darkness?
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
Darkness is the Absence of LIGHT!. Darkness was upon the world
before GOD shed HIS light.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 6837--------------------------------------------------
Re: Did God Try to Force Man With His Law?
DIR By: guest58
Date: July 4, 2019, 6:49 pm
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--- Quote from: Grace_Accepted link ---
> [quote author=Ted T. link=topic=400.msg6741#msg6741
date=1561853146] Light might define dark (which I hope is what
you were trying to say) but it does NOT create it by its being
light!!!
--- End Quote ---
Without light how would you define darkness?[/quote]
Ummm, didn't I just answer that? Light defines darkness as all
that is not light and is against the light and blocks the light
but LIGHT CANNOT CREATE THE DARK ! either in the physical world
or the spiritual (theological) realms.
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