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       #Post#: 4674--------------------------------------------------
       What is the bare minimum to be a flat earther?
       By: Faulty Date: March 29, 2019, 10:10 pm
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       A quick question. When talking to a person (or people) about the
       flat earth, and they take a consistent stand of contradicting
       everything that is said or shown, what should be the bare
       minimum they should know about flat earth concepts for one to
       consider their time their discussion to be worthwhile?
       I don't mean someone in the process of learning about the
       concepts, regardless of if they agree with them or not, but
       rather just the aggressive denier. I find myself constantly
       being bombarded by people who still think there are no responses
       for such simple areas like these, and refuse to consider
       otherwise.
       1. Ships disappear over the horizon.
       2. If you are in Chicago, you should be able to see the Rocky
       Mountains. (Or any variant thereof.)
       3. Some Greek dude measuring shadows thousands of years ago
       proved a ball.
       4. One can't navigate around a flat earth.
       5. Earth has to be a ball because everything else is.
       After confronting this numerous times over the last few months,
       I'm seriously considering giving people a quick test to see if
       they have even a rudimentary understanding of FE concepts (agree
       or not) before even engaging them, just to save my time and
       sanity.
       Thoughts? Anything to add to the list?
       #Post#: 4677--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What is the bare minimum?
       By: patrick jane Date: March 29, 2019, 10:46 pm
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       [quote author=Faulty link=topic=391.msg4674#msg4674
       date=1553915434]
       A quick question. When talking to a person (or people) about the
       flat earth, and they take a consistent stand of contradicting
       everything that is said or shown, what should be the bare
       minimum they should know about flat earth concepts for one to
       consider their time their discussion to be worthwhile?
       I don't mean someone in the process of learning about the
       concepts, regardless of if they agree with them or not, but
       rather just the aggressive denier. I find myself constantly
       being bombarded by people who still think there are no responses
       for such simple areas like these, and refuse to consider
       otherwise.
       1. Ships disappear over the horizon.
       2. If you are in Chicago, you should be able to see the Rocky
       Mountains. (Or any variant thereof.)
       3. Some Greek dude measuring shadows thousands of years ago
       proved a ball.
       4. One can't navigate around a flat earth.
       5. Earth has to be a ball because everything else is.
       After confronting this numerous times over the last few months,
       I'm seriously considering giving people a quick test to see if
       they have even a rudimentary understanding of FE concepts (agree
       or not) before even engaging them, just to save my time and
       sanity.
       Thoughts? Anything to add to the list?
       [/quote]Awesome brother, thank you for posting. I had the same
       problem and still do. I am coming to the conclusion that some
       people can "get it" and I mean the whole thing, the Bible, the
       deceptions of satan starting in the Garden or even before that
       against God's will, combined with the pseudoscience of
       Cosmology. The heliocentric model being introduced and widely
       challenged, proved wrong and disputed for decades before the
       Vatican and the Jesuits inserted into every education system in
       the world and in every church.
       I try to tell people right away that everything we are taught
       about space, creation and the origins of man are only theories
       and they all deny God. That is science today and after much
       research I found the very roots of "science" are from the occult
       and go back to Babylon and the Tower of Babel. So I tell folks
       that they have never actually seen a real image of earth from
       space, Cosmology is pseudoscience, water never curves or bends
       and every single thing in science and technology work just as
       good or better in the flat earth. I'm talking satellites and
       aircraft/rockets etc.
       I hope you post more and don't worry about saying the wrong
       thing or about what other people think of you here or at the
       other forum.
       1. Ships disappear over the horizon. They do not, they can be
       brought back into view with a good camera or binoculars
       2. If you are in Chicago, you should be able to see the Rocky
       Mountains. (Or any variant thereof.) The human eye can only see
       so far and perspective, line of sight, refraction, lensing and
       water in the atmosphere make seeing very long distances
       impossible. Besides, there ARE hills and mountains and valleys
       etc/
       3. Some Greek dude measuring shadows thousands of years ago
       proved a ball. - I have a great 10 minute video showing how
       Eratosthenes was wrong and his calculations were based on a very
       close and small sun. Just like flat earth, plus his calculations
       would have worked the same in the flat earth.
       4. One can't navigate around a flat earth. Nobody has ever
       completed a true circumnavigation, which would be going all the
       way around a [color=white]BALL. Around the world simply means
       traveling in a circle around the North Pole, lol.[/color]
       5. Earth has to be a ball because everything else is. We cannot
       see spheres in space. Every image we are shown of planets,
       galaxies, stars and deep space are CGI or Artists' Renderings.
       #Post#: 4799--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What is the bare minimum?
       By: Faulty Date: April 5, 2019, 11:15 pm
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       Thanks for the response. The morning after I posted this, my
       hard drive failed. I wasn't really able to respond for a while.
       As it turns out, it was a welcome mental break from the FE
       arguments as I waited for my new SSD to arrive, replacing the
       old magnetic drive that failed on me.
       #Post#: 4802--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What is the bare minimum?
       By: patrick jane Date: April 6, 2019, 4:07 am
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       [quote author=Faulty link=topic=391.msg4799#msg4799
       date=1554524156]
       Thanks for the response. The morning after I posted this, my
       hard drive failed. I wasn't really able to respond for a while.
       As it turns out, it was a welcome mental break from the FE
       arguments as I waited for my new SSD to arrive, replacing the
       old magnetic drive that failed on me.
       [/quote]Bummer. Glad you're back. How long have been researching
       FE? Are you fully convinced, or as much as you can be?
       #Post#: 4808--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What is the bare minimum?
       By: Faulty Date: April 6, 2019, 1:29 pm
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       Probably pretty close to two years now. I know you've seen some
       of my stuff on CF, under another name.
       #Post#: 5142--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What is the bare minimum?
       By: patrick jane Date: April 23, 2019, 7:01 am
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       [quote author=Faulty link=topic=391.msg4808#msg4808
       date=1554575350]
       Probably pretty close to two years now. I know you've seen some
       of my stuff on CF, under another name.
       [/quote]Only about 16 months for me. I'm no good with science
       though really. Are you Jacks Bratt?
       #Post#: 5164--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What is the bare minimum?
       By: Faulty Date: April 24, 2019, 6:51 am
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       SeventyOne
       #Post#: 6168--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What is the bare minimum?
       By: patrick jane Date: June 8, 2019, 5:49 pm
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       [quote author=Faulty link=topic=391.msg5164#msg5164
       date=1556106704]
       SeventyOne
       [/quote]Yes. I remember you. Why are you so quiet here? Are you
       still very active at CF? I would love to talk to you more.
       #Post#: 15700--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What is the bare minimum?
       By: patrick jane Date: July 30, 2020, 11:45 pm
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       Hello
       #Post#: 16972--------------------------------------------------
       Re: What is the bare minimum?
       By: guest73 Date: September 1, 2020, 12:41 pm
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       The bare minimum to be a flat earther is to start to doubt and
       question and RESEARCH the earth. Basically, once you are not
       100% sure that the earth is a ball flying though space, you are
       a flat earther.
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