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#Post#: 4620--------------------------------------------------
Let there be Light: Comments
By: guest8 Date: March 26, 2019, 9:25 pm
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[shadow=blue,left]I recently had another poster in another forum
ask these questions about Genesis 1: [/shadow]
" I am trying to reconcile a couple of verses in Genesis 1.
Verses 3 to 5 says that on the 1st day, God divided the
light from the darkness, calling the light Day and the darkness
Night.
But then Verses 14 to 19 have God creating what I take to be
the sun, moon and stars on Day 4.
So if there was no sun until Day 4, how can there have been
3 'days' before that?
Thanks."
[shadow=blue,left]******My Answer*****
Good afternoon ............
In Gen 1:3.."And God said, Let there be light: and there was
light."
Lets go back to Gen 1:2.."And the earth was without form, and
void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit
of God moved (Brooded) upon the face of the waters." (emphasis
added)
The newly formed earth was void and dark as the Holy Spirit
brooded across the surface. The light GOD called to light the
world was the 'Light of Himself'.( Rev 22:5...)
He then divided the Light into Darkness (absence of light). This
set the battle between light and darkness. Even mankind is in
darkness unless they have the Light of God.
Rev 22:5..."And there shall be no night there; and they need no
candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them
light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."
The New Earth and New City of Jerusalem, there will be no
darkness only Light from God Himself. (Rev 22)
This was the first prophecy of the Bible given by the Word of
God.."Let there be Light". From this moment in time, the world
and her inhabitants would be divided in Light and Darkness (good
and evil) until the end as spoken by Isaiah 46.
In Isa 46:10.."Declaring the end from the beginning, and from
ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My
counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
*******
As to Gen 1:5.."And God called the light Day, and the darkness
he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first
day."
God used His Light to separate the Light of the Day from the
Darkness of the Night to create a 24 hour day. He also used
Light of the Day and the Darkness of the Night to separate the
good and evil of Mankind as we see in 1 Thes 5:5.
1 Thes5:5.."Ye are all the children of light, and the children
of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness."
****
Gen 1:14.."And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of
the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for
signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"
The sun, moon and stars were placed inside the firmament to
accomplish Gen 1:14. They were not used as a divide between Good
and Evil.
Only God's Light can do that
(Gen 1:3).
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 4632--------------------------------------------------
Re: Let there Be Light
By: patrick jane Date: March 27, 2019, 12:22 pm
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[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=387.msg4620#msg4620
date=1553653530]
[shadow=blue,left]I recently had another poster in another forum
ask these questions about Genesis 1: [/shadow]
" I am trying to reconcile a couple of verses in Genesis 1.
Verses 3 to 5 says that on the 1st day, God divided the
light from the darkness, calling the light Day and the darkness
Night.
But then Verses 14 to 19 have God creating what I take to be
the sun, moon and stars on Day 4.
So if there was no sun until Day 4, how can there have been
3 'days' before that?
Thanks."
[shadow=blue,left]******My Answer*****
Good afternoon ............
In Gen 1:3.."And God said, Let there be light: and there was
light."
Lets go back to Gen 1:2.."And the earth was without form, and
void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit
of God moved (Brooded) upon the face of the waters." (emphasis
added)
The newly formed earth was void and dark as the Holy Spirit
brooded across the surface. The light GOD called to light the
world was the 'Light of Himself'.( Rev 22:5...)
He then divided the Light into Darkness (absence of light). This
set the battle between light and darkness. Even mankind is in
darkness unless they have the Light of God.
Rev 22:5..."And there shall be no night there; and they need no
candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them
light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."
The New Earth and New City of Jerusalem, there will be no
darkness only Light from God Himself. (Rev 22)
This was the first prophecy of the Bible given by the Word of
God.."Let there be Light". From this moment in time, the world
and her inhabitants would be divided in Light and Darkness (good
and evil) until the end as spoken by Isaiah 46.
In Isa 46:10.."Declaring the end from the beginning, and from
ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My
counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
*******
As to Gen 1:5.."And God called the light Day, and the darkness
he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first
day."
God used His Light to separate the Light of the Day from the
Darkness of the Night to create a 24 hour day. He also used
Light of the Day and the Darkness of the Night to separate the
good and evil of Mankind as we see in 1 Thes 5:5.
1 Thes5:5.."Ye are all the children of light, and the children
of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness."
****
Gen 1:14.."And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of
the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for
signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"
The sun, moon and stars were placed inside the firmament to
accomplish Gen 1:14. They were not used as a divide between Good
and Evil.
Only God's Light can do that
(Gen 1:3).
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]See, I have a different take on the beginning. In the
beginning there was no evil even though there was darkness.
Where does the Bible say there was evil before creation? Anyone?
So when God said "Let there be light" He was not dividing good
from evil.
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Re: Let there Be Light
By: guest8 Date: March 27, 2019, 9:00 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=387.msg4632#msg4632
date=1553707378]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=387.msg4620#msg4620
date=1553653530]
[shadow=blue,left]I recently had another poster in another forum
ask these questions about Genesis 1: [/shadow]
" I am trying to reconcile a couple of verses in Genesis 1.
Verses 3 to 5 says that on the 1st day, God divided the
light from the darkness, calling the light Day and the darkness
Night.
But then Verses 14 to 19 have God creating what I take to be
the sun, moon and stars on Day 4.
So if there was no sun until Day 4, how can there have been
3 'days' before that?
Thanks."
[shadow=blue,left]******My Answer*****
Good afternoon ............
In Gen 1:3.."And God said, Let there be light: and there was
light."
Lets go back to Gen 1:2.."And the earth was without form, and
void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit
of God moved (Brooded) upon the face of the waters." (emphasis
added)
The newly formed earth was void and dark as the Holy Spirit
brooded across the surface. The light GOD called to light the
world was the 'Light of Himself'.( Rev 22:5...)
He then divided the Light into Darkness (absence of light). This
set the battle between light and darkness. Even mankind is in
darkness unless they have the Light of God.
Rev 22:5..."And there shall be no night there; and they need no
candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them
light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."
The New Earth and New City of Jerusalem, there will be no
darkness only Light from God Himself. (Rev 22)
This was the first prophecy of the Bible given by the Word of
God.."Let there be Light". From this moment in time, the world
and her inhabitants would be divided in Light and Darkness (good
and evil) until the end as spoken by Isaiah 46.
In Isa 46:10.."Declaring the end from the beginning, and from
ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My
counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
*******
As to Gen 1:5.."And God called the light Day, and the darkness
he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first
day."
God used His Light to separate the Light of the Day from the
Darkness of the Night to create a 24 hour day. He also used
Light of the Day and the Darkness of the Night to separate the
good and evil of Mankind as we see in 1 Thes 5:5.
1 Thes5:5.."Ye are all the children of light, and the children
of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness."
****
Gen 1:14.."And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of
the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for
signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"
The sun, moon and stars were placed inside the firmament to
accomplish Gen 1:14. They were not used as a divide between Good
and Evil.
Only God's Light can do that
(Gen 1:3).
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]See, I have a different take on the beginning. In the
beginning there was no evil even though there was darkness.
Where does the Bible say there was evil before creation? Anyone?
So when God said "Let there be light" He was not dividing good
from evil.
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[shadow=blue,left]Hi PJ.....
You are right about there being no evil and no good in the world
at this time. However, GOD knew evil vs good would come and He
set up a framework for Good and Evil to be represented by the
Day and the Night until the end of time.
An quick analogy: a House has to have a good foundation,walls
and a roof before anything can be put in it!
****I said:
"This was the first prophecy of the Bible given by the Word of
God.."Let there be Light". From this moment in time, the world
and her inhabitants would be divided in Light and Darkness (good
and evil) until the end as spoken by Isaiah 46."
"would be" declarative of future events.
In Isa 46:10.."Declaring the end from the beginning, and from
ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My
counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
This verse (Gen 1:3) does declare the end and it was spoken at
the beginning of creation.
We see the first evil part of this equation in Chapter 3:4 "And
the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:" and
subsequently the fall of man in chapter 3:6.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 4637--------------------------------------------------
Re: Let there Be Light
By: patrick jane Date: March 27, 2019, 9:38 pm
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That's just one of the many things I like about you and forums
in general is that you know scripture that I don't know and I
can learn something everyday. I'm going to read some Old
Testament including Isaiah soon. Unfortunately, today every
child is taught evolution and the big bang which leads to
worshiping the universe as God. People believe that nothing
became something all on it's own. So sad.
#Post#: 4643--------------------------------------------------
Re: Let there Be Light
By: guest58 Date: March 28, 2019, 11:41 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=387.msg4632#msg4632
date=1553707378] See, I have a different take on the beginning.
In the beginning there was no evil even though there was
darkness. Where does the Bible say there was evil before
creation? Anyone? So when God said "Let there be light" He was
not dividing good from evil.[/quote]
If we apply what we know of physical light to Gen 1:3 and
following, we get mired pretty fast...so I suggest we understand
it as allusions to something else.
Genesis 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was
light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the
light from the darkness.
WoW - light with no darkness... IF this light is the visible
light our eyes can see, then by making it, it creates its own
darkness... How can light be not separated from darkness or how
can it be so separated if it wasn't already separated by its
creation? Can this really apply to visible light? Doesn't
sound like light we know, does it?
So, was GOD doing tricks with visible light or does this point
to something else?
1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and
declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at
all.
Does "GOD is light" refer to a visible glow or shine like a star
or sun? This is weird stuff right? Does “Let there be light,”
mean HE self created HIMself? Well of course not, so light is a
characteristic of GOD, a divine attribute:
HTML http://bible.cc/1_john/1-5.htm
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
That God is light - Light, in the Scriptures, is the emblem of
purity, truth, knowledge, prosperity, and happiness - as
darkness is of the opposite. John here says that "God is light"
- φῶς phōs - not the light, or a light, but
light itself; that is, he is himself all light, and is the
source and fountain of light in all worlds. He is perfectly
pure, without any admixture of sin. He has all knowledge, with
no admixture of ignorance on any subject. He is infinitely
happy, with nothing to make him miserable. He is infinitely
true, never stating or countenancing error; he is blessed in all
his ways, never knowing the darkness of disappointment and
adversity.
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
...that is, as light is opposed to the darkness of sin; he is
pure and holy in his nature and works, and of such pure eyes as
not to behold iniquity; and so perfectly holy, that angels cover
their times before him, when they speak of his holiness:
Vincent's Word Studies
God is Light (Θεὸς φῶς
ἐστὶν)
A statement of the absolute nature of God. Not a light, nor the
light, with reference to created beings, as the light of men,
the light of the world, but simply and absolutely God is light,
in His very nature. Compare God is spirit, and see on John 4:24
: God is love, 1 John 4:8, 1 John 4:16. The expression is not a
metaphor. "All that we are accustomed to term light in the
domain of the creature, whether with a physical or metaphysical
meaning, is only an effluence of that one and only primitive
Light which appears in the nature of God" (Ebrard). Light is
immaterial, diffusive, pure, and glorious. It is the condition
of life.
People's New Testament
John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him.
The message heard from Christ, now declared, is that God is
light. The source whence all light, whether it be physical, or
moral, or spiritual, comes ; the Enlightener of the universe.
The term denotes luminous clearness, the free and benevolent
source from whence flow light, intelligence, purity and
blessing, absolutely free from alien intermixture, since in him
there is no darkness at all. Light represents truth, knowledge
and holiness. Darkness represents ignorance, error, falsehood
and sin.
In terms used by the Scripture to define LIGHT in other places,
this would mean that GOD created goodness and separated it from
evil…
LIGHT IS FAITH:
LIGHT is the moral attribute of goodness and life by faith unto
righteousness and darkness is evil, rejecting GOD by faith, and
death. And in Gen 1:4 GOD separated between them: Genesis 1:4
God saw that the light was good, and HE separated the light from
the darkness.
This suggests that ALL people created in HIS image already
existed by the end of verse 2 or between the verses and speaks
to the free will decision that was the separation between all
those who accepted YHWH as their GOD and those who rejected HIM
as a false god.
So might not Genesis 1:3 read: And God said, “Let there be
light,” [ie faith in HIM and HIS Son unto righteousness] and
there was light [faith in HIM]. 4 God saw that the light [faith
in HIM] was good, and he separated the light [by their
declaration of faith] from the darkness [those who refused to
put their faith in HIM but rather chose to believe that HE was a
false god and a liar becoming antagonists to HIS will, the
reprobate tares].
FAITH BY FREE WILL:
Pre-conception existence theology contends that HE did this by
asking for our true free will decisions to either accept HIS
purpose for our creation or by rejecting that purpose because we
thought HE was a false god, unable to fulfill his warnings of
the consequences, and we did not have to bow to anyone. The
separation was finalized by the election of the sons of light to
HIS eternal church while He left the dark to their chosen
perdition.
To ensure that none of HIS newly elected church would be
destroyed by sin, HE gave us all the gospel promise that if any
of HIS elect should rebel against HIS will and chose to become
evil in HIS sight that though that would put them outside of HIS
will, it would not put them outside of HIS grace nor love and
that HE would always do what was necessary to bring them back to
HIM in accord with their first true free will decision.
Peace, Ted
#Post#: 4649--------------------------------------------------
Re: Let there Be Light
By: guest8 Date: March 28, 2019, 4:09 pm
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[quote author=Ted T. link=topic=387.msg4643#msg4643
date=1553791261]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=387.msg4632#msg4632
date=1553707378] See, I have a different take on the beginning.
In the beginning there was no evil even though there was
darkness. Where does the Bible say there was evil before
creation? Anyone? So when God said "Let there be light" He was
not dividing good from evil.[/quote]
If we apply what we know of physical light to Gen 1:3 and
following, we get mired pretty fast...so I suggest we understand
it as allusions to something else.
Genesis 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was
light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the
light from the darkness.
WoW - light with no darkness... IF this light is the visible
light our eyes can see, then by making it, it creates its own
darkness... How can light be not separated from darkness or how
can it be so separated if it wasn't already separated by its
creation? Can this really apply to visible light? Doesn't
sound like light we know, does it?
So, was GOD doing tricks with visible light or does this point
to something else?
1 John 1:5 "This then is the message which we have heard of
him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no
darkness at all."
Does "GOD is light" refer to a visible glow or shine like a star
or sun? This is weird stuff right? Does “Let there be light,”
mean HE self created HIMself? Well of course not, so light is a
characteristic of GOD, a divine attribute:
HTML http://bible.cc/1_john/1-5.htm
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
That God is light - Light, in the Scriptures, is the emblem of
purity, truth, knowledge, prosperity, and happiness - as
darkness is of the opposite. John here says that "God is light"
- φῶς phōs - not the light, or a light, but
light itself; that is, he is himself all light, and is the
source and fountain of light in all worlds. He is perfectly
pure, without any admixture of sin. He has all knowledge, with
no admixture of ignorance on any subject. He is infinitely
happy, with nothing to make him miserable. He is infinitely
true, never stating or countenancing error; he is blessed in all
his ways, never knowing the darkness of disappointment and
adversity.
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
...that is, as light is opposed to the darkness of sin; he is
pure and holy in his nature and works, and of such pure eyes as
not to behold iniquity; and so perfectly holy, that angels cover
their times before him, when they speak of his holiness:
Vincent's Word Studies
God is Light (Θεὸς φῶς
ἐστὶν)
A statement of the absolute nature of God. Not a light, nor the
light, with reference to created beings, as the light of men,
the light of the world, but simply and absolutely God is light,
in His very nature. Compare God is spirit, and see on John 4:24
: God is love, 1 John 4:8, 1 John 4:16. The expression is not a
metaphor. "All that we are accustomed to term light in the
domain of the creature, whether with a physical or metaphysical
meaning, is only an effluence of that one and only primitive
Light which appears in the nature of God" (Ebrard). Light is
immaterial, diffusive, pure, and glorious. It is the condition
of life.
People's New Testament
John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him.
The message heard from Christ, now declared, is that God is
light. The source whence all light, whether it be physical, or
moral, or spiritual, comes ; the Enlightener of the universe.
The term denotes luminous clearness, the free and benevolent
source from whence flow light, intelligence, purity and
blessing, absolutely free from alien intermixture, since in him
there is no darkness at all. Light represents truth, knowledge
and holiness. Darkness represents ignorance, error, falsehood
and sin.
In terms used by the Scripture to define LIGHT in other places,
this would mean that GOD created goodness and separated it from
evil…
LIGHT IS FAITH:
LIGHT is the moral attribute of goodness and life by faith unto
righteousness and darkness is evil, rejecting GOD by faith, and
death. And in Gen 1:4 GOD separated between them: Genesis 1:4
God saw that the light was good, and HE separated the light from
the darkness.
This suggests that ALL people created in HIS image already
existed by the end of verse 2 or between the verses and speaks
to the free will decision that was the separation between all
those who accepted YHWH as their GOD and those who rejected HIM
as a false god.
So might not Genesis 1:3 read: And God said, “Let there be
light,” [ie faith in HIM and HIS Son unto righteousness] and
there was light [faith in HIM]. 4 God saw that the light [faith
in HIM] was good, and he separated the light [by their
declaration of faith] from the darkness [those who refused to
put their faith in HIM but rather chose to believe that HE was a
false god and a liar becoming antagonists to HIS will, the
reprobate tares].
FAITH BY FREE WILL:
Pre-conception existence theology contends that HE did this by
asking for our true free will decisions to either accept HIS
purpose for our creation or by rejecting that purpose because we
thought HE was a false god, unable to fulfill his warnings of
the consequences, and we did not have to bow to anyone. The
separation was finalized by the election of the sons of light to
HIS eternal church while He left the dark to their chosen
perdition.
To ensure that none of HIS newly elected church would be
destroyed by sin, HE gave us all the gospel promise that if any
of HIS elect should rebel against HIS will and chose to become
evil in HIS sight that though that would put them outside of HIS
will, it would not put them outside of HIS grace nor love and
that HE would always do what was necessary to bring them back to
HIM in accord with their first true free will decision.
Peace, Ted
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Hi ted.... So God put His Light onto the Earth!.... And then He
divided that Light in order to accommodate Good and Evil. A
prophecy of the coming good and evil that was spoken by God
Himself.
He declared the Beginning from the End.... So we look to the end
to see the beginning. The New Jerusalem and Earth will have no
sun or moon or stars but rather will have GOD's light.
What ever that light is does not really matter as it is the only
light that counts.
Blade
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Re: Let there Be Light
By: patrick jane Date: June 12, 2019, 4:39 am
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Great post.
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Re: Let there Be Light
By: patrick jane Date: June 29, 2019, 11:14 am
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=387.msg6278#msg6278
date=1560332380]
Great post.
[/quote]Yes.
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Re: Let there Be Light
By: guest8 Date: July 30, 2019, 8:27 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=387.msg6697#msg6697
date=1561824884]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=387.msg6278#msg6278
date=1560332380]
Great post.
[/quote]Yes.
[/quote]
You have been busy
Blade
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Re: Let there be Light: Comments
By: patrick jane Date: April 11, 2022, 4:34 pm
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