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Good Friday
By: Olde Tymer Date: March 9, 2019, 2:09 pm
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[font=arial] Matt 12:40 . . For as Jonah was three days and
three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will
be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Some years ago a skeptic asked me how to get three days and
three nights between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning. It was
an embarrassing moment.
Well; Passover and Easter Sunday are just around the corner. So
. . . .
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Re: Good Friday?
By: Olde Tymer Date: March 10, 2019, 10:08 am
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[font=arial]When Jesus was here, days were, at the most, only 12
hours.
John 11:9-10 . . Are there not twelve hours in the day? If
anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees
the light of this world. But if anyone walks in the night, he
stumbles, because the light is not in him.
This world's light is of course the Sun as per Gen 1:14-18. So
then, when Jesus was here; day was when the sun is up and night
was when the sun is down; meaning of course that the three days
and three nights of Matt 12:40 indicate three times when the sun
was up, and three times when the sun was down; i.e. relative to
Christ's crucifixion and resurrection: days began with sunrise
and nights began with sundown.
NOTE: Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were
regulated by what's known as temporal hours; which vary in
length in accordance with the time of year. There are times of
the year at Jerusalem's latitude when this world's light
consists of less than 12 normal hours of sun, and sometimes
more; but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was
always twelve regardless.
I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days
into twelve equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons,
but I suspect it was just a convenient way to operate the
government and conduct civil affairs; including the Temple's
activities (e.g. the daily morning and evening sacrifices)
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Re: Good Friday?
By: Olde Tymer Date: March 11, 2019, 10:48 am
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[font=arial]In the very beginning, God made a distinct
difference between night and day on Earth; so that His day on
Earth is not a 24-hour amalgam of light and dark; rather, His
day on Earth is when the Sun is up, and His night on Earth is
when the Sun is down.
Gen 1:4-5 . . God divided the light from the darkness. And God
called the light day, and the darkness he called night.
Gen 1:14 . . And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament
of the heaven to divide the day from the night
Gen 1:16 . .And God made two great lights; the greater light to
rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night.
Gen 1:17-18 . . And God set them in the firmament of the heaven
to give light upon the earth, and to rule over the day and over
the night, and to divide the light from the darkness.
If only people kept those God-given physical characteristics in
mind when working with Matt 12:40, their calculations would be
greatly simplified.
FAQ: Why bother defining the limits of day and night?
A: It's necessary that we nail down the physical characteristics
of night and day because so many people have allowed 24-hour
Jewish civil time to muddle their understanding of Matt 12:40.
Here's another "muddle" that pops up now and then.
Gen 1:5 . . And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Creation's days are very controversial and a special area of
study all to themselves. For example: chronologically evening
and morning define overnight which suggests that God did all of
His creative work in the dark.
I highly recommend categorizing creation's days apart from days
on Earth in order to avoid confusion, especially when the
preponderance of evidence testifies that day is a time of light,
and night is a time of darkness; viz: day on Earth is when the
sun is up, and night is when the sun is down.
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Re: Good Friday?
By: Olde Tymer Date: March 12, 2019, 9:20 am
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[font=arial]Unknown to a pretty good number of Bible students is
that Jesus and his men ate their Passover dinner the night of
his arrest. (Matt 26:17-20, Mark 14:12-17, and Luke 22:7-15)
The Jews ate their Passover after he was dead and buried. (John
13:1-2, John 18:28-29, John 19:13-14, and John 19:31)
The Jews were somehow unaware that their religious calendar was
tardy the year that Christ was crucified. He, being a prophet in
direct contact with God, would of course have known the precise
moment that Passover that year was supposed to begin; which is
no doubt at least one of the reasons why Christ ate his own
Passover before the Jews ate theirs.
Ironically, the Jews were careful to avoid going after Jesus
during Passover.
Matt 26:3-5 . .Then the chief priests and the elders of the
people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name
was Caiaphas, and they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way
and kill him. But not during the feast-- they said --or there
may be a riot among the people.
Due to their religious calendar's error, the Jews inadvertently
crucified Jesus during the very season they wanted to avoid.
Also unknown to a pretty good number of Bible students is that
there was an extra sabbath in crucifixion week-- the Passover
sabbath. (Ex 12:16, Lev 23:5-8)
Passover sabbath is interesting. The routine sabbath always
falls on the very same day of the week every time. But Passover
sabbath floats; hence it can, and it does, occur on any given
day of the week; sometimes even coincident with the routine
sabbath; for example 2018 and 2019, and sometimes consecutive
with the routine sabbath; for example 2008.
It's sometimes objected that whereas Yom Kippur and the Feast of
Trumpets are specifically called sabbaths; the first day of the
feast of unleavened bread isn't. It's set aside for an holy
convocation which just simply means a sacred assembly. But it's
also added that no manner of work shall be done on that day;
which is exactly what a sabbath is all about (Gen 2:2-3). In
reality, the objection is just semantic nit picking.
Anyway; John calls that day a sabbath (John 19:31), which pretty
much settles it for me. But it's a sneaky sabbath that easily
escapes people's notice so they end up counting only one of the
sabbaths related to Christ's crucifixion and resurrection. By
failing to reckon with the Passover sabbath, they end up stuck
with the Good Friday model; which of course is unworkable.
Now, when we combine the Passover sabbath and the weekly routine
sabbath and the difference of one day between Jesus' Passover
and the Jews' Passover, we end up with a very complicated can of
worms to sort out.
I sometimes suspect that most people accept the Good Friday
model because it doesn't require any thinking; whereas the
actual facts of the matter are a bit of a challenge to
comprehend.
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Re: Good Friday?
By: Olde Tymer Date: March 13, 2019, 12:05 pm
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[quote author=Olde Tymer link=topic=381.msg4422#msg4422
date=1552400400]there was an extra sabbath in crucifixion week--
the Passover sabbath. (Ex 12:16, Lev 23:5-8)[/quote]
[font=arial]FAQ: If that's true, then where do we place it in
the chronology?
A: It began at sundown the afternoon of the Lord's burial.
FAQ: Then where do we place the routine sabbath?
A: It followed on the heels of the Passover sabbath and is seen
when the women went out to the cemetery. (Matt 28:1, Mark 16:1)
So the order of events is:
Sunday was resurrection day.
Saturday was the routine sabbath day.
Friday was the Passover sabbath day.
Thursday was crucifixion day.
FAQ: That's a total of four days. Isn't that one too many?
A: It's tempting to count the afternoon of Christ's burial as
one of the days as per Matt 12:40 and John 2:19-22, but don't do
it. Wait until the Jews' preparation for Passover comes to an
end and they're ready to sit down and dine upon their lambs
before starting to tally the days and nights or your chronology
won't come out right. It's essential to leave crucifixion day
set aside for the slaughtering of lambs; including the one on
the cross.
NOTE: The timing of Jesus' crucifixion is remarkable. He was
executed during the very day that the Jews were preparing for
their Passover. Had the Jews' religious calendar not been
incorrect that year, they would've put him to death some other
day. (Matt 26:3-5)
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Re: Good Friday?
By: Olde Tymer Date: March 14, 2019, 10:11 am
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[font=arial]John 20:1 . . Now on the first day of the week Mary
Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and
saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.
FAQ: Doesn't that passage, along with Matt 28:1 and Mark 16:1-2,
prove that Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life prior
to sunrise?
A: According to Gen 1:4-5, Gen 1:14, Gen 1:16, Gen 1:17-18, and
John 11:9-10, "day" is when the sun is up and "night" is when
the sun is down.
In other words: had Jesus risen prior to sunrise, he would've
risen at night. But according to Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke
9:22, Luke 24:21-23, Luke 24:46, Acts 10:40, and 1Cor 15:4 he
rose from the dead during day.
The Greek word that speaks of the women's journey is somewhat
ambiguous. It can not only mean came, but also went, i.e. it can
indicate travel as well as arrival and/or coming as well as
going.
Seeing as how there are no less than seven verses that clearly,
conclusively, and without ambiguity testify that Jesus' dead
body revived on the third day rather than during the third
night-- viz: his body revived when the sun was up rather than
when the sun was not yet up, --then it's safe to conclude that
in the women's case "went" is the appropriate translation of the
Greek word erchomai, i.e. the women left their homes during
morning twilight; and by the time they met together and
journeyed to the cemetery, the sun was fully up.
(I cannot imagine any woman of good sense walking around a
graveyard in the dark; especially when back in that day nobody
as yet had access to electric lighting of any kind, not even a
flashlight.)
NOTE: The original languages of the Bible contain numerous
ambiguous words that translators are not always sure how best to
interpret; so sometimes the onus is upon the reader. Caveat
Lector.
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Re: Good Friday?
By: Olde Tymer Date: March 15, 2019, 8:58 am
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[font=arial]FAQ: I've heard it said that Jesus' crucified dead
body was restored to life on Saturday just prior to sundown. Is
that a possibility? (Saturday is the Jews' routine sabbath day.)
A: According to Luke 24:21-23, the third day predicted by Matt
12:40 fell upon the day that the women went out to the cemetery.
"We trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed
Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these
things were done. Yea, and certain women also of our company
made us astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; and when
they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also
seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive."
The day that the women went out to the cemetery is well-attested
to be the day following the Jews' routine sabbath day. (Matt
28:1, Mark 16:2, Mark 16:9, Luke 24:1, John 20:1, and John
20:19)
FAQ: The sign of Jonah (Matt 12:40) speaks of three days and
three nights. Doesn't that indicate Jesus should not have been
seen until the fourth day?
A: There is a preponderance of evidence testifying that Jesus'
crucified dead body was restored to life during the third day
rather than after the third was over and done with.
Matt 17:22-23 . . Jesus said unto them: The Son of man shall be
betrayed into the hands of men: and they shall kill him, and the
third day he shall be raised again.
Mark 9:31 . . He taught his disciples, and said unto them: The
Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall
kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third
day.
Luke 9:22 . .The Son of Man must suffer many things and be
rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law,
and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
Luke 24:21-23 . .We trusted that it had been he which should
have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third
day since these things were done. Yea, and certain women also of
our company made us astonished, which were early at the
sepulcher; and when they found not his body, they came, saying,
that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he
was alive.
Luke 24:46 . . He said unto them: Thus it is written, and thus
it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the
third day
Acts 10:40 . . God raised him up the third day
1Cor 15:4 . . he rose again the third day
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Re: Good Friday?
By: Olde Tymer Date: March 16, 2019, 8:40 am
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[font=arial]FAQ: Why should anyone even care about those three
days and three nights in Matt 12:40?
A: I care because the Good Friday model discredits Jesus and
makes a mockery of Christianity.
Were I the Devil, the one element of Christianity that I would
make my mission in life to invalidate is Christ's resurrection
because according to Rom 4:25, it is by means of his
resurrection that hell-bound people have the opportunity to
obtain an acquittal.
But according to Rom 10:9-11 it is necessary for the hell-bound
to be persuaded that Jesus Christ existed and that he actually
came back from death after his crucifixion. Failure to believe
it will result in their failing to obtain an acquittal; and thus
end up in the wrong place.
So you see, the topic of this thread might be just another bull
session for some people, but it's life and death for those on a
path to the sum of all fears.
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Re: Good Friday?
By: Olde Tymer Date: March 17, 2019, 10:50 am
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[font=arial]Matt 12:40 . . For as Jonah was three days and three
nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be
three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
When you think about it, Jesus' crucified dead body never was in
the heart of the Earth, it was laid to rest up on the surface;
and not even in the ground like a normal grave-- his remains
were entombed in a hollowed out rock. (Matt 27:60)
So, in order for Jesus to be up on the surface of the Earth, and
down in it's bowels at the same time; he and his body had to
part company.
According to Ps 16:8-10 and Acts 2:25-31, when Jesus passed
away, he went to a place in the netherworld called sheol in
Hebrew and haides in Greek. Jonah went there too. (Jonah 2:2)
According to Jonah 2:6, sheol is located at the roots of the
mountains; and if that's the case, then that's where haides is
located too. Well, I think we can all agree that the roots of
the mountains aren't situated in the tummies of fish.
In other words: while Jonah's corpse was interred in the fish,
he himself was somewhere deep in the Earth-- a very similar
thing happened to Jesus. While his corpse was interred in the
rock, he himself was somewhere deep in the Earth too.
If Jesus Christ's resurrection is true-- if his dead body was
actually restored to life within three days and three nights
just as the prophet's (Jonah 1:17)-- then Jesus most certainly
is the one man in the New Testament that everybody really ought
to approach with a great deal of caution because Jonah's message
warned of the impending destruction of just one city; while
Jesus' message warns of the impending destruction of many
cities. (Rev 16:17-19)
Matt 12:41 . . People of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment
with this generation and will condemn it; because they repented
at what Jonah preached, but, look! something more than Jonah is
here.
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Re: Good Friday 2020
By: patrick jane Date: March 11, 2020, 4:13 pm
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Good Friday is near
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