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#Post#: 4295--------------------------------------------------
Unless You Eat My Flesh And Drink My Blood
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: March 6, 2019, 9:47 am
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Regardless of how Christ is interpreted; one thing is for sure:
unless people somehow eat his flesh and drink his blood, they
have no life in them; viz: they are quite dead on the hoof.
John 6:53 . . Jesus said: "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you
eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not
have life within you."
The kind of life about which he spoke is not organic life;
rather, it is a supernatural kind of life.
John 6:54 . . .Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has
eternal life,
According to John 10:28, eternal life is an imperishable kind of
life. In other words; people only have to obtain it once, and
they never have to obtain it again because eternal life cannot
die, nor does it spoil or decay. Were that not true, then God
would've died of old age long ago.
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#Post#: 4349--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unless You Eat My Flesh And Drink My Blood
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: March 8, 2019, 11:10 am
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John 6:52 . .The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How
can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
His opponents weren't alone in their struggle to understand
Jesus; his followers were baffled too.
John 6:60 . .Then many of his disciples who were listening said,
“This saying is hard; who can accept it?”
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#Post#: 4372--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unless You Eat My Flesh And Drink My Blood
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: March 9, 2019, 10:10 am
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The passage below is deliberately misquoted. Watch for it.
John 6:63 . . The words I have spoken to you are spiritual
I checked with the ASV, the KJV, the NKJV, the NIV, the RSV, the
ESV, the NAS, the NASB, the NLT, the official Catholic version,
and even the Jehovah's Witness version and none of them say
"spiritual", they all say spirit
Well; I can understand some Spanish, but spirit is totally out
of my depth. I can read the spirit words that Jesus spoke
because they're translated into English, which is a language I
understand. But though I easily understand the English version
of Jesus' spirit words, I don't know what they're saying because
they're coded in spirit.
This problem is very similar to computer code. I can easily read
computer code when it's written with English numbers, letters,
and symbols; but I haven't the foggiest notion what that code is
saying though it's written with numbers, letters, and symbols
very familiar to me.
The passage below is misquoted too.
John 6:63 . . The words that I have spoken unto you are living.
No, it doesn't say "living" it says the words are life.
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#Post#: 4387--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unless You Eat My Flesh And Drink My Blood
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: March 10, 2019, 9:08 am
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John 6:66 . . From that time many of his disciples went back,
and walked no more with him.
Well; we can hardly find fault with their decision to go away; I
mean after all, the man was not only talking about cannibalism;
but it is a breech of the Jews' covenant with God to eat blood.
Lev 7:27 . . If anyone eats blood, that person must be cut off
from his people.
Lev 17:10 . . Any Israelite, or any alien living among them, who
eats any blood-- I will set My face against that person who eats
blood and will cut him off from his people.
Lev 17:14 . . The life of every creature is its blood. That is
why I have said to the Israelites: You must not eat the blood of
any creature, because the life of every creature is its blood;
anyone who eats it must be cut off.
It could be argued that those passages forbid eating the blood
of birds and beasts, but don't specifically outlaw eating human
blood. Personally I don't see how the latter would be any less
disgusting than the former, but I'm willing to leave the human
blood question to each man's own conscience because, to my
knowledge, the Bible doesn't address vampirism.
However; Jesus and his men were all Jews under the jurisdiction
of the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God as per
Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. If perchance their
covenant forbids eating all blood, including human blood, then
Jesus led his men into sin on the night of his last supper if
the fruit of the vine that they all shared was in fact
transubstantiation.
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#Post#: 4392--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unless You Eat My Flesh And Drink My Blood
DIR By: guest8
Date: March 10, 2019, 9:03 pm
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--- Quote from: Olde Tymer link ---
>
> .
> John 6:66 . . From that time many of his disciples went back,
and walked no more with him.
>
> Well; we can hardly find fault with their decision to go away;
I mean after all, the man was not only talking about
cannibalism; but it is a breech of the Jews' covenant with God
to eat blood.
>
> Lev 7:27 . . If anyone eats blood, that person must be cut off
from his people.
>
> Lev 17:10 . . Any Israelite, or any alien living among them,
who eats any blood-- I will set My face against that person who
eats blood and will cut him off from his people.
>
> Someone might object that those passages forbid eating the
blood of birds and beasts, but don't specifically outlaw eating
human blood. Personally I don't see how the latter would be any
less disgusting than the former, but I'm willing to leave the
human blood question to each man's own conscience because, to my
knowledge, the Bible doesn't address vampirism.
>
> John 6:67-68 . .Then Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you also
want to go away?" But Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom
shall we go? You have the words of eternal life."
>
> I think most of us are willing to concede that Jesus has the
words of eternal life; but unfortunately John 6:63 says his
words are in code, viz: they're spirit words; which of course
requires we have access to a spirit language translator in order
to understand them.
>
> Well; I can find a pretty good variety of language translators
on the internet; but I have yet to find one that translates a
spirit language. In my judicious opinion, when people attempt to
understand Jesus' words without a spirit language translator,
they are like a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat
that isn't there.
> _
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]The Eating of my Flesh (Body) and drinking of
my Blood are metaphors for the "Sacrifice Jesus gave of His Body
and the Shedding of the His Blood for the world's sins.
Trying to dramatically explain this is hard because Jesus stated
this metaphor prior to His death. Yet, we still have people
who have no idea what it means.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 4408--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unless You Eat My Flesh And Drink My Blood
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: March 11, 2019, 10:02 am
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FAQ: What is the correct way to eat Jesus' flesh and drink his
blood?
A: I wish I had a pat answer for that question but thus far, it
has eluded me.
However I think it's pretty safe to rule out the Roman Catholic
method because the kind of life obtained by eating Jesus' flesh
and drinking his blood is eternal life. (John 6:54)
Well; eternal life is an imperishable kind of life that can
neither die, spoil, decay, or wax old. So if Catholics were
getting eternal life from Rome's communion service, they would
have to partake of the elements just one time only seeing as how
eternal life is impervious to death; viz: it can't be used up,
nor does it wear off or wear out-- eternal life is perpetual;
and if not, then why call it eternal?
Moses' people had to eat manna every day because one meal of it
was not enough to sustain their bodies forever. But the bread
that comes down from heaven need be eaten only once, and never
again.
John 6:50-51 . . This is the bread which cometh down from
heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living
bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread,
he shall live for ever:
POP QUIZ: The "bread" that Jesus spoke of in that verse is his
body, i.e. his flesh and blood (1Cor 10:17). But which version
of his body was he talking about? His crucified body, or his
glorified body?
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Re: Unless You Eat My Flesh And Drink My Blood
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: March 19, 2019, 9:58 am
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FAQ: The bread that Jesus spoke of in John 6:50-51 is his body,
i.e. his flesh and blood (1Cor 10:17). But Jesus has been in
possession of two versions of his body: a natural version and a
glorified version; i.e. a mortal and an immortal. Which version
pertains to the flesh and blood he spoke of in John 6:53-54?
A: The natural version.
John 6:51 . . I am the living bread that came down from heaven;
whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I
will give is my flesh for the life of the world.
The flesh that Jesus gave for the life of the world was his
natural flesh. We know that's true because glorified flesh is
immortal, whereas natural flesh is easily destroyed.
The body that Jesus shared with his men at the last supper is
the one that died on the cross.
Luke 22:19 . . And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and
gave it to them, saying: This is my body given for you
1Cor 11:23-24 . .The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed,
took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said:
This is my body, which is for you
In addition, the blood that Jesus shared with his men wasn't his
glorified blood, it was his crucified blood.
Matt 26:27-29 . .Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered
it to them, saying: Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood
of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the
forgiveness of sins. (See also Mark 14:23-24, Luke 22:20)
FAQ: The flesh of the natural version of Jesus' body no longer
exists. How then is anybody supposed to eat it?
A: I wish I had a pat answer for that question but thus far, one
has eluded me.
FAQ: Why is this so difficult to figure out that even the best
and brightest theologians cannot agree on it?
A: Because Jesus' words were spirit. (John 6:63)
I can understand some Spanish, but spirit is totally out of my
depth. I can read the spirit words that Jesus spoke because
they're translated into English, which is a language I
understand. But though I easily understand the English version
of Jesus' spirit words, I don't really know what they're saying
because they're coded in spirit.
This problem is very similar to computer code. I can easily read
computer code when it's written with English numbers, letters,
and symbols; but I haven't the foggiest notion what that code is
saying though it's written with numbers, letters, and symbols
very familiar to me.
Trying to understand Jesus in that section of the 6th chapter of
John without a spirit language translator is like blind men in a
dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there.
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#Post#: 4558--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unless You Eat My Flesh And Drink My Blood
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: March 22, 2019, 8:00 pm
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FAQ: This eternal life that Jesus spoke of; isn't it for the
future after people pass on?
A: Note the grammatical tense of Jesus' statement below; it's
present tense rather than future; indicating that when people
correctly eat Jesus' flesh, and correctly drink his blood; they
are in possession of eternal life right now-- no delay and no
waiting period.
John 6:54 . . Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood "has"
eternal life
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#Post#: 4583--------------------------------------------------
Re: Unless You Eat My Flesh And Drink My Blood
DIR By: Olde Tymer
Date: March 24, 2019, 9:24 am
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John 6:53 . . Jesus said: "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you
eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not
have life within you."
John 6:54 . . .Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has
eternal life,
John 6:50-51a . . This is the bread which cometh down from
heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living
bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread,
he shall live for ever.
[SIZE=2][B]FAQ[/B][/SIZE][SIZE=3][B]:[/B] Does any of the above
apply to Old Testament personages, e.g. Able, Noah, Abraham,
Isaac, Jacob, Joshua. Ruth, Gideon, Samson, and David, et
al?[/size]
A: Yes; all of them.
[SIZE=2][B]FAQ[/B][/SIZE][SIZE=3][B]:[/B] How do you know
that?[/size]
A: Jesus' crucifixion benefits the whole world rather than only
a portion of the world.
John 6:51b . . the bread that I will give is my flesh for the
life of the world.
1John 2:2 . . He himself is the propitiation for our sins; and
not for ours only, but also for the whole world.
John 1:29 . . Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of
the world!
[SIZE=2][B]FAQ[/B][/SIZE][SIZE=3][B]:[/B] Did they even know
about Jesus back then?[/size]
A: Yes.
Abraham knew.
John 8:56 . . Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it and
was glad.
Jacob knew.
Gen 49:18 . .I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord
Isaiah knew.
Isa 52:14 . .There were many who were appalled at him-- his
appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form
marred beyond human likeness
Isa 53:6 . .We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us
has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the
iniquity of us all.
Others among the prophets knew too.
1Pet 1:10-11 . . Of which salvation the prophets have inquired
and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should
come unto you: searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit
of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified
beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should
follow.
David knew.
Ps 16:10 . .You will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you
let your Holy One see decay. (cf. Acts 2:25-36)
[SIZE=2][B]FAQ[/B][/SIZE][SIZE=3][B]:[/B] Well, if there was no
such thing as a communion service until Jesus' last supper, then
how did those people back there eat his flesh and drink his
blood?[/size]
A: Hook, line, and sinker; if you get my drift. For example:
Many years ago, when I was a young welder just starting out in
the trade, a Baptist man employed by the same company for whom I
worked; asked me if I was going to heaven. Of course I replied
that I didn't know: I was a Catholic, and Catholics don't know
things like that. Then he asked me the question that put my life
on a whole new track: Haven't you heard that Christ died for
you?
Of course I had heard of Christ's crucifixion in catechism, but
not till that moment did I realize it was so personal, and
especially; so complete.
Coincidentally, I had only recently been doing some serious
thinking about hell. The way I figured it; this kid would never
be good enough to merit going to heaven, so hell was pretty much
a foregone conclusion for the likes of me. But the very moment
that man's question sank into my thick skull; I instantly knew
that heaven was in the bag. I had swallowed the story about the
offering of Jesus' flesh and blood for my sins hook, line, and
sinker.
Some may call me naïve for so easily buying into Jesus' dying
for my sins, but I don't feel naïve; no, I feel very fortunate.
Mark 10:15 . . I tell you the truth, anyone who will not
receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter
it.
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Re: Unless You Eat My Flesh And Drink My Blood
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: August 4, 2020, 1:32 pm
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