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#Post#: 4792--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest24
Date: April 5, 2019, 11:33 am
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Blade....I have openly talked about how I study scripture....I
have no less than 8 different checks and balances to make sure I
do not miss what God is trying to say to us through His word. I
honestly don't put much stock in what man thinks God is which is
why I said we should take it straight from God and yet you are
still trying to get me to listen to man's words...why do you
think man's ideas trump what scripture says?
#Post#: 4793--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest24
Date: April 5, 2019, 11:39 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg4788#msg4788
date=1554476231]
> Bladerunner...if studying scripture and allowing God to
interpret it for us is OPEN THEISM...what theology do you hold
to and why do you think it is superior over allowing God to
interpret it for us?
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]Not sure what you are talking about?
Allowing GOD to interpret it for us?
In your words, how does he do that?
Example, I read His WORD as Literal taking into account the
Historical and Grammatical context.
Do you mean, You read something and it pops up in your head as
to what it means?
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gApXDGjyksw
Here is a short video of a better explanation of Open Theism.
There are many and please do explore what they have to say. It
does affect you.
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]I have no idea how you think this applies to whether we
listen to man or God to understand God other than to say that we
should participate in our salvation....as in work out your
salvation command in scripture.
#Post#: 4794--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: April 5, 2019, 1:37 pm
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Lori, how can we not listen to what man says about God and
scripture. Do you think that if you lived alone and stranded on
an island, never heard of God or Jesus or the Bible before ever
and then somebody dropped a Bible down. Could you read it and
"figure everything out"? I've been reading this thread and I
still don't know what your point is. What "answer" are you
looking for and please state your purpose.
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#Post#: 4798--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 5, 2019, 11:02 pm
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> [quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=379.msg4790#msg4790
date=1554480905]
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg4788#msg4788
date=1554476231]
> Bladerunner...if studying scripture and allowing God to
interpret it for us is OPEN THEISM...what theology do you hold
to and why do you think it is superior over allowing God to
interpret it for us?
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]Not sure what you are talking about?
Allowing GOD to interpret it for us?
In your words, how does he do that?
Example, I read His WORD as Literal taking into account the
Historical and Grammatical context.
Do you mean, You read something and it pops up in your head as
to what it means?
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gApXDGjyksw
Here is a short video of a better explanation of Open Theism.
There are many and please do explore what they have to say. It
does affect you.
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]I have no idea how you think this applies to whether we
listen to man or God to understand God other than to say that we
should participate in our salvation....as in work out your
salvation command in scripture.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]John 3:16.."For God so loved the world, that
he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him
should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Lori..on the verse above you probably know by heart, I have a
question for you.
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son,
that everyone should not perish but have everlasting life.
One of these is God's Word and One is NOT...? Do you see
it....Do you see the conditioner that is removed from one....
Many people, churches, etc do remove the conditioner.
Whosoever Believed in HIM (his Son) will have (ever lasting
life).
This is the difference in what you are asking me to describe.
One is the Interpretation of Man reading the Bible (maybe God's
word) as how it would fit today's society values and such.
One is the Interpretation of God's Word by man reading it
literally.
God loved the world: He gave His only Son: He will supply
everlasting Life for those and only those that believe in His
Son Jesus Christ.
1 Tim 2:11..is no difference. It is GOD's word and the way I
read it is the same way it is written...."Let the woman learn in
silence with all subjection."
By taking this verse out of context in the verses 9-15, one
winds up with just this verse.
If you take it all in context, GOD is telling women how he
'wants' them to act in the Church (brick and mortar).
In the end, If you do not follow His word, you will likely
disobey Him and that is not a sign of true salvation.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 4806--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest24
Date: April 6, 2019, 11:07 am
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> Lori, how can we not listen to what man says about God and
scripture. Do you think that if you lived alone and stranded on
an island, never heard of God or Jesus or the Bible before ever
and then somebody dropped a Bible down. Could you read it and
"figure everything out"? I've been reading this thread and I
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looking for and please state your purpose.
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Some years ago, God called me to study the word of God not the
words of man who want to tell me who they think God is. As a
result (as per this thread) I studied this passage in Timothy
and found some definite discrepancies between what it says and
what man says it says. As per one of many checks I put on my
study I want to open that understanding to challenge. So my
goal is to discuss the discrepancies I found and discuss them in
light of the totality of scripture, going off the idea that
scripture interprets scripture. I'm thinking that is never
going to happen and so maybe it's time for this discussion to be
done.
#Post#: 4807--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest24
Date: April 6, 2019, 11:10 am
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Blade...if you were following the discussion...it was context
that brought me to question some of man's teachings on this
passage...so I'm still not sure what your point
is....nonetheless, maybe it is time to end here since I can't
seem to get anyone to actually discuss it with me other than my
husband and he agrees with my conclusions.
#Post#: 4809--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: patrick jane
Date: April 6, 2019, 2:15 pm
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=379.msg4794#msg4794
date=1554489450]
> Lori, how can we not listen to what man says about God and
scripture. Do you think that if you lived alone and stranded on
an island, never heard of God or Jesus or the Bible before ever
and then somebody dropped a Bible down. Could you read it and
"figure everything out"? I've been reading this thread and I
still don't know what your point is. What "answer" are you
looking for and please state your purpose.
>
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Some years ago, God called me to study the word of God not the
words of man who want to tell me who they think God is. As a
result (as per this thread) I studied this passage in Timothy
and found some definite discrepancies between what it says and
what man says it says. As per one of many checks I put on my
study I want to open that understanding to challenge. So my
goal is to discuss the discrepancies I found and discuss them in
light of the totality of scripture, going off the idea that
scripture interprets scripture. I'm thinking that is never
going to happen and so maybe it's time for this discussion to be
done.
[/quote]Maybe we could start with a list. Make a numbered list
of the discrepancies between man's teaching and what the
wscripture actually says. Take them one by one verse by verse.
#Post#: 4812--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest8
Date: April 6, 2019, 7:56 pm
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--- Quote from: Lori Bolinger link ---
>
> Blade...if you were following the discussion...it was context
that brought me to question some of man's teachings on this
passage...so I'm still not sure what your point
is....nonetheless, maybe it is time to end here since I can't
seem to get anyone to actually discuss it with me other than my
husband and he agrees with my conclusions.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]As you wish Lori.... I am just a simple man
following the Word of GOD and trying not to add, delete or
change anything into those words that I teach.
I will say, the way you want to interpret the Bible leads you
away from God and His WORD.
Good Day Lori.
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 4830--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest24
Date: April 8, 2019, 9:12 am
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--- Quote from: Bladerunner link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg4807#msg4807
date=1554567021]
> Blade...if you were following the discussion...it was context
that brought me to question some of man's teachings on this
passage...so I'm still not sure what your point
is....nonetheless, maybe it is time to end here since I can't
seem to get anyone to actually discuss it with me other than my
husband and he agrees with my conclusions.
>
--- End Quote ---
[shadow=blue,left]As you wish Lori.... I am just a simple man
following the Word of GOD and trying not to add, delete or
change anything into those words that I teach.
I will say, the way you want to interpret the Bible leads you
away from God and His WORD.
Good Day Lori.
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]please explain how allowing scripture to interpret
scripture is leading me away from God and His word?
#Post#: 4831--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
DIR By: guest24
Date: April 8, 2019, 9:13 am
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--- Quote from: patrick jane link ---
>
> [quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg4806#msg4806
date=1554566826]
> [quote author=patrick jane link=topic=379.msg4794#msg4794
date=1554489450]
> Lori, how can we not listen to what man says about God and
scripture. Do you think that if you lived alone and stranded on
an island, never heard of God or Jesus or the Bible before ever
and then somebody dropped a Bible down. Could you read it and
"figure everything out"? I've been reading this thread and I
still don't know what your point is. What "answer" are you
looking for and please state your purpose.
>
>
>
>
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Some years ago, God called me to study the word of God not the
words of man who want to tell me who they think God is. As a
result (as per this thread) I studied this passage in Timothy
and found some definite discrepancies between what it says and
what man says it says. As per one of many checks I put on my
study I want to open that understanding to challenge. So my
goal is to discuss the discrepancies I found and discuss them in
light of the totality of scripture, going off the idea that
scripture interprets scripture. I'm thinking that is never
going to happen and so maybe it's time for this discussion to be
done.
[/quote]Maybe we could start with a list. Make a numbered list
of the discrepancies between man's teaching and what the
wscripture actually says. Take them one by one verse by verse.
[/quote]thanks pj but I think I will let it rest for the time
being....maybe we can revisit it one day.
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