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#Post#: 4733--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
By: guest8 Date: April 1, 2019, 9:55 pm
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[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=379.msg4726#msg4726
date=1554142415]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg4725#msg4725
date=1554141226]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=379.msg4723#msg4723
date=1554134910]
God gives us authority and power, the power of God unto
salvation. It comes from doing what is good in the sight of God
and doing what is right; standing up and speaking out against
evil and wrongdoing. The phrase "In like manner" only means to
do likewise what he just told the men. To live a quiet, peaceful
honest life with godliness.
[/quote]exactly....so why would we then change the meaning to
being silent in church when the teaching is the same for the men
as it is for the woman...to be quiet and peaceful? Context,
context, context.
[/quote]I just heard in the last 8 to 10 months that many Bible
scholars truly believe that Paul did NOT write 2 Timothy. Claims
are that those writings and church instructions were written
some 200 years later. To be honest, the Holy Spirit guides me
every time I read scripture and I graze over some things that
don't feel right or seem right for the current age we live in.
We can't place every word of scripture into modern times and
social instruction.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]PJ.. You said: " We can't place every word of
scripture into modern times and social instruction..
The Bible was not written to adapt itself to modern times or
used for modern social instruction. Those words in 1 Tim 2:9-15
were for the Church at Ephesus and still apply today in our
modern society churches as they were then. Yet, many modern
churches throw them out in favor of modern worldviews.
2 Tim was written when Paul was in prison for the 2nd time in
Rome. This was around 65AD. When you read it, you find that Paul
is asking Timothy to come a visit him in the prison. While it
may have taken until the turn of the century to become well
known, it indeed was written in the middle 60s AD.
2 Tim 3:16.."All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and
is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness:"
Could it be this verse that prompts those who want to remove God
from society and discredit the Bible by discrediting Paul's
Epistles or Could it be the verses below?
2 Tim 3:2-5.."For men shall be lovers of their own selves,
covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents,
unthankful, unholy, V3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers,
false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are
good, V4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more
than lovers of God; V5 Having a form of godliness, but denying
the power thereof: from such turn away."
If anything, God's WORD in 1st and 2nd Timothy hit a bullseye on
today's modern society. God already knew what was going to
happen and He put it in prophecy and words so that we could read
it and make a decision.
One must be very careful when deciding to reject God's Word,
each subsequent verse, chapter, book(s) gets easier until His
words mean nothing.
Blade
[/shadow]
#Post#: 4736--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
By: guest24 Date: April 2, 2019, 8:31 am
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=379.msg4733#msg4733
date=1554173748]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=379.msg4726#msg4726
date=1554142415]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg4725#msg4725
date=1554141226]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=379.msg4723#msg4723
date=1554134910]
God gives us authority and power, the power of God unto
salvation. It comes from doing what is good in the sight of God
and doing what is right; standing up and speaking out against
evil and wrongdoing. The phrase "In like manner" only means to
do likewise what he just told the men. To live a quiet, peaceful
honest life with godliness.
[/quote]exactly....so why would we then change the meaning to
being silent in church when the teaching is the same for the men
as it is for the woman...to be quiet and peaceful? Context,
context, context.
[/quote]I just heard in the last 8 to 10 months that many Bible
scholars truly believe that Paul did NOT write 2 Timothy. Claims
are that those writings and church instructions were written
some 200 years later. To be honest, the Holy Spirit guides me
every time I read scripture and I graze over some things that
don't feel right or seem right for the current age we live in.
We can't place every word of scripture into modern times and
social instruction.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]PJ.. You said: " We can't place every word of
scripture into modern times and social instruction..
The Bible was not written to adapt itself to modern times or
used for modern social instruction. Those words in 1 Tim 2:9-15
were for the Church at Ephesus and still apply today in our
modern society churches as they were then. Yet, many modern
churches throw them out in favor of modern worldviews.
2 Tim was written when Paul was in prison for the 2nd time in
Rome. This was around 65AD. When you read it, you find that Paul
is asking Timothy to come a visit him in the prison. While it
may have taken until the turn of the century to become well
known, it indeed was written in the middle 60s AD.
2 Tim 3:16.."All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and
is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness:"
Could it be this verse that prompts those who want to remove God
from society and discredit the Bible by discrediting Paul's
Epistles or Could it be the verses below?
2 Tim 3:2-5.."For men shall be lovers of their own selves,
covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents,
unthankful, unholy, V3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers,
false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are
good, V4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more
than lovers of God; V5 Having a form of godliness, but denying
the power thereof: from such turn away."
If anything, God's WORD in 1st and 2nd Timothy hit a bullseye on
today's modern society. God already knew what was going to
happen and He put it in prophecy and words so that we could read
it and make a decision.
One must be very careful when deciding to reject God's Word,
each subsequent verse, chapter, book(s) gets easier until His
words mean nothing.
Blade
[/shadow]
[/quote]seems to me that a biblical scholar would consider what
a passage was saying to the immediate audience then use that
same message to inform us today in our modern culture.
For example, rather than reading modern feminism into the
passage we should read the passage as the people of the day
would have understood it and then take that same less to the
feminists rather than allowing the feminists to interpret it for
us.
#Post#: 4740--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
By: guest8 Date: April 2, 2019, 8:19 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg4736#msg4736
date=1554211899]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=379.msg4733#msg4733
date=1554173748]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=379.msg4726#msg4726
date=1554142415]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg4725#msg4725
date=1554141226]
[quote author=patrick jane link=topic=379.msg4723#msg4723
date=1554134910]
God gives us authority and power, the power of God unto
salvation. It comes from doing what is good in the sight of God
and doing what is right; standing up and speaking out against
evil and wrongdoing. The phrase "In like manner" only means to
do likewise what he just told the men. To live a quiet, peaceful
honest life with godliness.
[/quote]exactly....so why would we then change the meaning to
being silent in church when the teaching is the same for the men
as it is for the woman...to be quiet and peaceful? Context,
context, context.
[/quote]I just heard in the last 8 to 10 months that many Bible
scholars truly believe that Paul did NOT write 2 Timothy. Claims
are that those writings and church instructions were written
some 200 years later. To be honest, the Holy Spirit guides me
every time I read scripture and I graze over some things that
don't feel right or seem right for the current age we live in.
We can't place every word of scripture into modern times and
social instruction.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]PJ.. You said: " We can't place every word of
scripture into modern times and social instruction..
The Bible was not written to adapt itself to modern times or
used for modern social instruction. Those words in 1 Tim 2:9-15
were for the Church at Ephesus and still apply today in our
modern society churches as they were then. Yet, many modern
churches throw them out in favor of modern worldviews.
2 Tim was written when Paul was in prison for the 2nd time in
Rome. This was around 65AD. When you read it, you find that Paul
is asking Timothy to come a visit him in the prison. While it
may have taken until the turn of the century to become well
known, it indeed was written in the middle 60s AD.
2 Tim 3:16.."All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and
is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for
instruction in righteousness:"
Could it be this verse that prompts those who want to remove God
from society and discredit the Bible by discrediting Paul's
Epistles or Could it be the verses below?
2 Tim 3:2-5.."For men shall be lovers of their own selves,
covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents,
unthankful, unholy, V3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers,
false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are
good, V4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more
than lovers of God; V5 Having a form of godliness, but denying
the power thereof: from such turn away."
If anything, God's WORD in 1st and 2nd Timothy hit a bullseye on
today's modern society. God already knew what was going to
happen and He put it in prophecy and words so that we could read
it and make a decision.
One must be very careful when deciding to reject God's Word,
each subsequent verse, chapter, book(s) gets easier until His
words mean nothing.
Blade
[/shadow]
[/quote]seems to me that a biblical scholar would consider what
a passage was saying to the immediate audience then use that
same message to inform us today in our modern culture.
For example, rather than reading modern feminism into the
passage we should read the passage as the people of the day
would have understood it and then take that same less to the
feminists rather than allowing the feminists to interpret it for
us.
[/quote]
Hi Lori..You said: "............would consider what a passage
was saying to the immediate audience then use that same message
to inform us today in our modern culture."
*what I am reading works both ways. I am telling everyone I can
that WORD of GOD is the only rules there are. Either follow them
or NOT!
*The other way is to tell everyone what He was saying to the
immediate audience and then translated this to how it affects
the modern age.?
***********
"For example, rather than reading modern feminism into the
passage we should read the passage as the people of the day
would have understood it and then take that same less to the
feminists rather than allowing the feminists to interpret it for
us."
Does "Less" mean lesson? If this is the case, (we) are trying as
much as I have tried with you and 1 Tim 2:9-15. Do they
listen,,, NO! Did you listen, I hope so?
Lori, we are all GOD's children and in the end, it is His rules.
Since He has not rewritten the Bible and certified that it was
from Him, we are stuck with the old rules if we are to follow
the road to righteousness in GOD's eye.
I will suggest a different version of the Bible. One that has
the proven Word of God within its pages. (KJV, 1611). It will
only make it easier to follow as it has none of the modern day
translations that tend to let people down the road to apostasy.
I do hope you have a great evening. Is pretty but cold here
today!
Blade
#Post#: 4753--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
By: guest24 Date: April 3, 2019, 7:45 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Hi Lori..You said: "............would consider what a passage
was saying to the immediate audience then use that same message
to inform us today in our modern culture."
*what I am reading works both ways. I am telling everyone I can
that WORD of GOD is the only rules there are. Either follow them
or NOT!
*The other way is to tell everyone what He was saying to the
immediate audience and then translated this to how it affects
the modern age.?
***********
"For example, rather than reading modern feminism into the
passage we should read the passage as the people of the day
would have understood it and then take that same less to the
feminists rather than allowing the feminists to interpret it for
us."
Does "Less" mean lesson? If this is the case, (we) are trying as
much as I have tried with you and 1 Tim 2:9-15. Do they
listen,,, NO! Did you listen, I hope so?
Lori, we are all GOD's children and in the end, it is His rules.
Since He has not rewritten the Bible and certified that it was
from Him, we are stuck with the old rules if we are to follow
the road to righteousness in GOD's eye.
I will suggest a different version of the Bible. One that has
the proven Word of God within its pages. (KJV, 1611). It will
only make it easier to follow as it has none of the modern day
translations that tend to let people down the road to apostasy.
I do hope you have a great evening. Is pretty but cold here
today!
Blade
[/quote]
Yes it was a typo it should be lesson....Now, if you pay
attention to the interpretation you are putting forth, you are
reacting to the feminism of today. In fact, I have heard many
teachers on this passage that teach it exactly as that, as a
reaction against feminism of today. To do that removes the
meaning the passage had to the people of the day....the people
of the day were NOT trying to destroy men or take authority,
etc. they were not about all the things the feminists of today
are fighting for, like abortion and superiority over men. In
fact, in that day woman wanted children for it was kind of like
a status symbol (sort of)
So what you are advocating is that we take modern culture and
force it to fit scripture rather than to allow scripture to
inform our culture. I have a huge problem with that. Today's
women (as a society voice not as individuals) are out of
control...amen...many of them are trying to usurp authority over
men...amen...but that is not to say that all woman are nor is it
to say that his teaching is only for the brick and mortar
church....in fact, if we look at our society today as to how we
should interpret the passage we would say that it extends to all
areas of life, but especially in the world rather than limiting
the teaching to the church.
So again, I ask if anyone is willing to study what it really
does teach us rather than simply using it to react to something
we don't like?
We are starting to warm up here, in fact, I was able to sit on
the porch two days in the last couple of weeks, should be able
to today as well...then two days of rain...then Sun. they are
predicting 70 degrees. Have a great day.
#Post#: 4758--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
By: guest8 Date: April 3, 2019, 7:41 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg4753#msg4753
date=1554295545]
Yes it was a typo it should be lesson....Now, if you pay
attention to the interpretation you are putting forth, you are
reacting to the feminism of today. In fact, I have heard many
teachers on this passage that teach it exactly as that, as a
reaction against feminism of today. To do that removes the
meaning the passage had to the people of the day....the people
of the day were NOT trying to destroy men or take authority,
etc. they were not about all the things the feminists of today
are fighting for, like abortion and superiority over men. In
fact, in that day woman wanted children for it was kind of like
a status symbol (sort of)
So what you are advocating is that we take modern culture and
force it to fit scripture rather than to allow scripture to
inform our culture. I have a huge problem with that. Today's
women (as a society voice not as individuals) are out of
control...amen...many of them are trying to usurp authority over
men...amen...but that is not to say that all woman are nor is it
to say that his teaching is only for the brick and mortar
church....in fact, if we look at our society today as to how we
should interpret the passage we would say that it extends to all
areas of life, but especially in the world rather than limiting
the teaching to the church.
So again, I ask if anyone is willing to study what it really
does teach us rather than simply using it to react to something
we don't like?
We are starting to warm up here, in fact, I was able to sit on
the porch two days in the last couple of weeks, should be able
to today as well...then two days of rain...then Sun. they are
predicting 70 degrees. Have a great day.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
Lori.. You said:"Now, if you pay attention to the interpretation
you are putting forth, you are reacting to the feminism of
today."
I apologize if you think I am reacting to the feminism of today.
I was trying to react to your questions and statements.
You said"So what you are advocating is that we take modern
culture and force it to fit scripture rather than to allow
scripture to inform our culture. I have a huge problem with
that. ........in fact, if we look at our society today as to
how we should interpret the passage we would say that it extends
to all areas of life, but especially in the world rather than
limiting the teaching to the church.."
Lori, there is a lot of difference in the "open Theology" you
are touting and the Literal, Historical, Grammatical Theology, I
have been trying to get you to see.
The following is the words of Pinnock, "Systemic Theology, in
the Openness of GOD..p103
"Two models of God in particular are the most influential that
people commonly carry around in their minds. We may think of God
primarily as an aloof monarch, removed from the contingencies of
the world, unchangeable in every aspect of being, as an all
determining and irresistible power, aware of everything that
will ever happen and never taking risks. Or we may understand
God as a caring parent with qualities of love and
responsiveness, generosity and sensitivity, openness and
vulnerability, a person (rather than a metaphysical principle)
who experiences the world, responds to what happens, relates to
us and interacts dynamically with humans. . . . God is sovereign
in both models, but the mode of his sovereignty differs. . . .
In this book we are advancing the second, or the open, view of
God."
He then writes:"“What we are really doing is conducting a
competition between models of God.” Anyone interested in a true
picture of God is not interested in such a competition. He only
wants to know the truth about God presented in the Bible".
He said it I did not... Do you want a true picture of GOD? If
NOT, then there are many books, videos, forums that have an
"Open Theology". The NIV version you already use is perfect for
this type of theology..?
If Yes, then you need to accept the WORD of GOD as written
historically, grammatically and literally. I would suggest the
KJV for this type of hermenutics.
God or His Word has not change since the beginning, but man's
view of God and His Word have and are changing more each day?
You do have a choice LORI....you know the stakes!
Yes, this morning, it was chilly, pushing the dirt but it did
warm up to about 68 this afternoon.
Have a good evening and please make that choice soon. One never
knows when their personal Rapture will happen.
Blade
[/shadow]
#Post#: 4764--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
By: guest24 Date: April 4, 2019, 8:20 am
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=379.msg4758#msg4758
date=1554338475]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg4753#msg4753
date=1554295545]
Yes it was a typo it should be lesson....Now, if you pay
attention to the interpretation you are putting forth, you are
reacting to the feminism of today. In fact, I have heard many
teachers on this passage that teach it exactly as that, as a
reaction against feminism of today. To do that removes the
meaning the passage had to the people of the day....the people
of the day were NOT trying to destroy men or take authority,
etc. they were not about all the things the feminists of today
are fighting for, like abortion and superiority over men. In
fact, in that day woman wanted children for it was kind of like
a status symbol (sort of)
So what you are advocating is that we take modern culture and
force it to fit scripture rather than to allow scripture to
inform our culture. I have a huge problem with that. Today's
women (as a society voice not as individuals) are out of
control...amen...many of them are trying to usurp authority over
men...amen...but that is not to say that all woman are nor is it
to say that his teaching is only for the brick and mortar
church....in fact, if we look at our society today as to how we
should interpret the passage we would say that it extends to all
areas of life, but especially in the world rather than limiting
the teaching to the church.
So again, I ask if anyone is willing to study what it really
does teach us rather than simply using it to react to something
we don't like?
We are starting to warm up here, in fact, I was able to sit on
the porch two days in the last couple of weeks, should be able
to today as well...then two days of rain...then Sun. they are
predicting 70 degrees. Have a great day.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
Lori.. You said:"Now, if you pay attention to the interpretation
you are putting forth, you are reacting to the feminism of
today."
I apologize if you think I am reacting to the feminism of today.
I was trying to react to your questions and statements.
You said"So what you are advocating is that we take modern
culture and force it to fit scripture rather than to allow
scripture to inform our culture. I have a huge problem with
that. ........in fact, if we look at our society today as to
how we should interpret the passage we would say that it extends
to all areas of life, but especially in the world rather than
limiting the teaching to the church.."
Lori, there is a lot of difference in the "open Theology" you
are touting and the Literal, Historical, Grammatical Theology, I
have been trying to get you to see.
The following is the words of Pinnock, "Systemic Theology, in
the Openness of GOD..p103
"Two models of God in particular are the most influential that
people commonly carry around in their minds. We may think of God
primarily as an aloof monarch, removed from the contingencies of
the world, unchangeable in every aspect of being, as an all
determining and irresistible power, aware of everything that
will ever happen and never taking risks. Or we may understand
God as a caring parent with qualities of love and
responsiveness, generosity and sensitivity, openness and
vulnerability, a person (rather than a metaphysical principle)
who experiences the world, responds to what happens, relates to
us and interacts dynamically with humans. . . . God is sovereign
in both models, but the mode of his sovereignty differs. . . .
In this book we are advancing the second, or the open, view of
God."
He then writes:"“What we are really doing is conducting a
competition between models of God.” Anyone interested in a true
picture of God is not interested in such a competition. He only
wants to know the truth about God presented in the Bible".
He said it I did not... Do you want a true picture of GOD? If
NOT, then there are many books, videos, forums that have an
"Open Theology". The NIV version you already use is perfect for
this type of theology..?
If Yes, then you need to accept the WORD of GOD as written
historically, grammatically and literally. I would suggest the
KJV for this type of hermenutics.
God or His Word has not change since the beginning, but man's
view of God and His Word have and are changing more each day?
You do have a choice LORI....you know the stakes!
Yes, this morning, it was chilly, pushing the dirt but it did
warm up to about 68 this afternoon.
Have a good evening and please make that choice soon. One never
knows when their personal Rapture will happen.
Blade
[/shadow]
[/quote]I have made the choice which is why I reject what men
are saying over actually studying the word of God for myself.
How do you not see that...you presented a video that "teaches"
what man understands about the passage and I challenge it based
on what scripture says about it. Obviously I choose
understanding God of the Bible based on what God of the Bible
tells us about Himself over what man teaches. It's a passion I
have always had and gets me in a lot of trouble from the
standpoint of traditionally held views like the one we are
discussing.
#Post#: 4774--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
By: guest8 Date: April 4, 2019, 7:14 pm
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg4764#msg4764
date=1554384045]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=379.msg4758#msg4758
date=1554338475]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg4753#msg4753
date=1554295545]
Yes it was a typo it should be lesson....Now, if you pay
attention to the interpretation you are putting forth, you are
reacting to the feminism of today. In fact, I have heard many
teachers on this passage that teach it exactly as that, as a
reaction against feminism of today. To do that removes the
meaning the passage had to the people of the day....the people
of the day were NOT trying to destroy men or take authority,
etc. they were not about all the things the feminists of today
are fighting for, like abortion and superiority over men. In
fact, in that day woman wanted children for it was kind of like
a status symbol (sort of)
So what you are advocating is that we take modern culture and
force it to fit scripture rather than to allow scripture to
inform our culture. I have a huge problem with that. Today's
women (as a society voice not as individuals) are out of
control...amen...many of them are trying to usurp authority over
men...amen...but that is not to say that all woman are nor is it
to say that his teaching is only for the brick and mortar
church....in fact, if we look at our society today as to how we
should interpret the passage we would say that it extends to all
areas of life, but especially in the world rather than limiting
the teaching to the church.
So again, I ask if anyone is willing to study what it really
does teach us rather than simply using it to react to something
we don't like?
We are starting to warm up here, in fact, I was able to sit on
the porch two days in the last couple of weeks, should be able
to today as well...then two days of rain...then Sun. they are
predicting 70 degrees. Have a great day.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
Lori.. You said:"Now, if you pay attention to the interpretation
you are putting forth, you are reacting to the feminism of
today."
I apologize if you think I am reacting to the feminism of today.
I was trying to react to your questions and statements.
You said"So what you are advocating is that we take modern
culture and force it to fit scripture rather than to allow
scripture to inform our culture. I have a huge problem with
that. ........in fact, if we look at our society today as to
how we should interpret the passage we would say that it extends
to all areas of life, but especially in the world rather than
limiting the teaching to the church.."
Lori, there is a lot of difference in the "open Theology" you
are touting and the Literal, Historical, Grammatical Theology, I
have been trying to get you to see.
The following is the words of Pinnock, "Systemic Theology, in
the Openness of GOD..p103
"Two models of God in particular are the most influential that
people commonly carry around in their minds. We may think of God
primarily as an aloof monarch, removed from the contingencies of
the world, unchangeable in every aspect of being, as an all
determining and irresistible power, aware of everything that
will ever happen and never taking risks. Or we may understand
God as a caring parent with qualities of love and
responsiveness, generosity and sensitivity, openness and
vulnerability, a person (rather than a metaphysical principle)
who experiences the world, responds to what happens, relates to
us and interacts dynamically with humans. . . . God is sovereign
in both models, but the mode of his sovereignty differs. . . .
In this book we are advancing the second, or the open, view of
God."
He then writes:"“What we are really doing is conducting a
competition between models of God.” Anyone interested in a true
picture of God is not interested in such a competition. He only
wants to know the truth about God presented in the Bible".
He said it I did not... Do you want a true picture of GOD? If
NOT, then there are many books, videos, forums that have an
"Open Theology". The NIV version you already use is perfect for
this type of theology..?
If Yes, then you need to accept the WORD of GOD as written
historically, grammatically and literally. I would suggest the
KJV for this type of hermenutics.
God or His Word has not change since the beginning, but man's
view of God and His Word have and are changing more each day?
You do have a choice LORI....you know the stakes!
Yes, this morning, it was chilly, pushing the dirt but it did
warm up to about 68 this afternoon.
Have a good evening and please make that choice soon. One never
knows when their personal Rapture will happen.
Blade
[/shadow]
[/quote]I have made the choice which is why I reject what men
are saying over actually studying the word of God for myself.
How do you not see that...you presented a video that "teaches"
what man understands about the passage and I challenge it based
on what scripture says about it. Obviously I choose
understanding God of the Bible based on what God of the Bible
tells us about Himself over what man teaches. It's a passion I
have always had and gets me in a lot of trouble from the
standpoint of traditionally held views like the one we are
discussing.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Your choice, Open Theism is the "IN" thing to
do these days.
Lori, I do wish you well and hope that you find what you are
looking for?
My prayers are with you, hoping you find your way back to the
True WORD of GOD!
Blade[/shadow]
#Post#: 4787--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
By: guest24 Date: April 5, 2019, 8:53 am
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=379.msg4774#msg4774
date=1554423295]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg4764#msg4764
date=1554384045]
[quote author=Bladerunner link=topic=379.msg4758#msg4758
date=1554338475]
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg4753#msg4753
date=1554295545]
Yes it was a typo it should be lesson....Now, if you pay
attention to the interpretation you are putting forth, you are
reacting to the feminism of today. In fact, I have heard many
teachers on this passage that teach it exactly as that, as a
reaction against feminism of today. To do that removes the
meaning the passage had to the people of the day....the people
of the day were NOT trying to destroy men or take authority,
etc. they were not about all the things the feminists of today
are fighting for, like abortion and superiority over men. In
fact, in that day woman wanted children for it was kind of like
a status symbol (sort of)
So what you are advocating is that we take modern culture and
force it to fit scripture rather than to allow scripture to
inform our culture. I have a huge problem with that. Today's
women (as a society voice not as individuals) are out of
control...amen...many of them are trying to usurp authority over
men...amen...but that is not to say that all woman are nor is it
to say that his teaching is only for the brick and mortar
church....in fact, if we look at our society today as to how we
should interpret the passage we would say that it extends to all
areas of life, but especially in the world rather than limiting
the teaching to the church.
So again, I ask if anyone is willing to study what it really
does teach us rather than simply using it to react to something
we don't like?
We are starting to warm up here, in fact, I was able to sit on
the porch two days in the last couple of weeks, should be able
to today as well...then two days of rain...then Sun. they are
predicting 70 degrees. Have a great day.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]
Lori.. You said:"Now, if you pay attention to the interpretation
you are putting forth, you are reacting to the feminism of
today."
I apologize if you think I am reacting to the feminism of today.
I was trying to react to your questions and statements.
You said"So what you are advocating is that we take modern
culture and force it to fit scripture rather than to allow
scripture to inform our culture. I have a huge problem with
that. ........in fact, if we look at our society today as to
how we should interpret the passage we would say that it extends
to all areas of life, but especially in the world rather than
limiting the teaching to the church.."
Lori, there is a lot of difference in the "open Theology" you
are touting and the Literal, Historical, Grammatical Theology, I
have been trying to get you to see.
The following is the words of Pinnock, "Systemic Theology, in
the Openness of GOD..p103
"Two models of God in particular are the most influential that
people commonly carry around in their minds. We may think of God
primarily as an aloof monarch, removed from the contingencies of
the world, unchangeable in every aspect of being, as an all
determining and irresistible power, aware of everything that
will ever happen and never taking risks. Or we may understand
God as a caring parent with qualities of love and
responsiveness, generosity and sensitivity, openness and
vulnerability, a person (rather than a metaphysical principle)
who experiences the world, responds to what happens, relates to
us and interacts dynamically with humans. . . . God is sovereign
in both models, but the mode of his sovereignty differs. . . .
In this book we are advancing the second, or the open, view of
God."
He then writes:"“What we are really doing is conducting a
competition between models of God.” Anyone interested in a true
picture of God is not interested in such a competition. He only
wants to know the truth about God presented in the Bible".
He said it I did not... Do you want a true picture of GOD? If
NOT, then there are many books, videos, forums that have an
"Open Theology". The NIV version you already use is perfect for
this type of theology..?
If Yes, then you need to accept the WORD of GOD as written
historically, grammatically and literally. I would suggest the
KJV for this type of hermenutics.
God or His Word has not change since the beginning, but man's
view of God and His Word have and are changing more each day?
You do have a choice LORI....you know the stakes!
Yes, this morning, it was chilly, pushing the dirt but it did
warm up to about 68 this afternoon.
Have a good evening and please make that choice soon. One never
knows when their personal Rapture will happen.
Blade
[/shadow]
[/quote]I have made the choice which is why I reject what men
are saying over actually studying the word of God for myself.
How do you not see that...you presented a video that "teaches"
what man understands about the passage and I challenge it based
on what scripture says about it. Obviously I choose
understanding God of the Bible based on what God of the Bible
tells us about Himself over what man teaches. It's a passion I
have always had and gets me in a lot of trouble from the
standpoint of traditionally held views like the one we are
discussing.
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Your choice, Open Theism is the "IN" thing to
do these days.
Lori, I do wish you well and hope that you find what you are
looking for?
My prayers are with you, hoping you find your way back to the
True WORD of GOD!
Blade[/shadow]
[/quote]I'm confused...why do you think that studying the word
of God rather than accepting what man says it says is OPEN
THEISM? I don't get it....
#Post#: 4788--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
By: guest24 Date: April 5, 2019, 9:57 am
---------------------------------------------------------
Bladerunner...if studying scripture and allowing God to
interpret it for us is OPEN THEISM...what theology do you hold
to and why do you think it is superior over allowing God to
interpret it for us?
#Post#: 4790--------------------------------------------------
Re: The dangers of woman keeping silent...
By: guest8 Date: April 5, 2019, 11:15 am
---------------------------------------------------------
[quote author=Lori Bolinger link=topic=379.msg4788#msg4788
date=1554476231]
Bladerunner...if studying scripture and allowing God to
interpret it for us is OPEN THEISM...what theology do you hold
to and why do you think it is superior over allowing God to
interpret it for us?
[/quote]
[shadow=blue,left]Not sure what you are talking about?
Allowing GOD to interpret it for us?
In your words, how does he do that?
Example, I read His WORD as Literal taking into account the
Historical and Grammatical context.
Do you mean, You read something and it pops up in your head as
to what it means?
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gApXDGjyksw
Here is a short video of a better explanation of Open Theism.
There are many and please do explore what they have to say. It
does affect you.
Blade[/shadow]
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